New Triangle Tools

supertooljunkie · Oct 3, 2010

Got some new Triangle Tools the other day. Did some work for a friend and these came via UPS the other day. He said he knew I liked new and different tools and found them on Sears website.
They came in a nice metal case, satin finish, socket sizes from 7-24mm, extensions, spring loaded universal, t-bar, and a 2.5* ratchet. The ratchet has 72 teeth with a dual pawl, equaling 144 teeth. The ratchet is well balanced and feels good. It is quick release. The sockets are well marked with size and they have ridges on them to id the drive size. Two ridges for 1/4, three for 3/8 and four for 1/2. The extensions, and universal have the ridges also. The ridges help keep the tool from rolling off of an uneven surface, and give better finger control. The extensions have flats for a open end wrench, for extra leverage. The sockets have flank drive. Triangle calls theirs, Uni-Grip.
I have only used them a few times yet, but I like them so far.

dualsub2006 · Oct 3, 2010

I've been reading the Triangle talk and I am not willing to write them off just because they are new or from Taiwan. I came close to buying the 1/2" drive set last night from Sears for my truck tool box. I ended up getting the Gearwrench from Amazon because I have a good amount of GW stuff and I know for a fact that it is a good buy. I will try Triangle in the near future when a smaller financial commitment is required.

I'm much more likely to but Gearwrench or Triangle in the future because they are at least honest about where their stuff is made. I found out that Sears was offshoring after I got home with my purchase.

supertooljunkie · Oct 3, 2010

I found out about Triangle on this forum not long after I joined. There was a thread with about 13-14 replies. Someone said they had found them on Sears. I checked the Sears site, then I checked the Triangle site and found they have a location in Alabama. I emailed the Alabama site to see if they were a stocking location and would sell to "Joe Public". Turns out Alabama is just a sales office, no stock, and at the moment Sears, is "it". I emailed that Sears sucked, their inter net prices were high, and I had rather buy from just about anyone other than Sears. They replied, that they are working on increasing their presence in the US and were looking to set up distributors here. They are also working on a factory direct inter net "store", somewhat like Nepros.
Yes, the tools are made in Taiwan, but most of Gearwrench production has moved to PRC.
I also have a suspicion that Triangle is supplying certain tools to one of the larger tool manufacturers. I have emailed both companies and am waiting to hear from them. I hope in the next day or so. I will post the info as soon as I verify.
I will download some more pictures and post them later.

dualsub2006 · Oct 3, 2010

I'm aware of the origins of Gearwrench stuff. It isn't that I am totally opposed to buying Asian made tools. Not that long ago sears had a little American flag graphic on their packaging. If they had done the same and placed a Chinese or Taiwanese flag on their Asian tools I probably would have been less opposed than I am. Instead, if I hadn't noticed "china" on the back of the package I never would have known.

Those wrenches were always made in the USA and sears is guilty of a bait and switch in my mind. I haven't stopped buying Craftsman tools totally, but their decision to offshore was done to help only their investors. If it isn't a USA made Craftsman I buy Gearwrench because Gearwrench is at least honest about where their stuff is made. They didn't sell USA made and then abuse their standing by quietly shifting to Asia. I won't willingly take part in their investor driven race to the lowest bidder regardless of where they are located. That's all.

bchee · Oct 3, 2010

Thanks for the picts. I inquired about updates in the other thread.

mrholeshot · Oct 3, 2010

I see 2.5 degree on the release. Is that the min swing and if so how did they pull it off with what appears to be somewhere around 72-80 teeth or are my eyes playing tricks?

matthew · Oct 3, 2010

mrholeshot said:
I see 2.5 degree on the release. Is that the min swing and if so how did they pull it off with what appears to be somewhere around 72-80 teeth or are my eyes playing tricks?

Yes, minimum swing. 72 teeth with dual pawls that are offset halfway between the engagement point for the other pawl. Similar to the old Craftsman RHFT design with 36 teeth giving an effective 5 degree sweep.

bchee · Oct 3, 2010

they use that dual pawl thingy to make 144 teeth

Monte · Oct 3, 2010

supertooljunkie · Oct 3, 2010

I will try to post some more pictures later. I just figured how to download from my picture files to the thread. I tried a little while ago, but the format changed a bit. I am working "Honey Do" right now.
I am old enough that I remember when all of C-man was American made. Now everything is going overseas.
I have some warranty information on Triangle I will post also.
bechee, I started a new thread because the old one was buried so deep. I had posted info on it a month ago and it disappeared fast.

SpiderGearsMan · Oct 3, 2010

republic of china dolls

ron350 · Oct 3, 2010

How soon before they have a catalog?

supertooljunkie · Oct 3, 2010

They are reprinting a catalog now. I am not sure when it will be out. Triangle doesn't have an extensive product line at the moment. Everything they offer is available through Sears.
Three complete socket sets, extension set, universal set, ratchet set, sockets on rails, etc.

bchee · Oct 3, 2010

These mechanisms don't appear the same but I believe they are both TRIANGLE :headscrat

supertooljunkie · Oct 3, 2010

bchee said:
These mechanisms don't appear the same but I believe they are both TRIANGLE

The one on the left definitely is a Triangle. I took the ratchet apart and took the picture about 2:30AM. I would have to emaill and ask if they have ever used a dual pawl in their ratchets.

Monte · Oct 3, 2010

the pic is from here

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/under_line_logo/38491856.html

supertooljunkie · Oct 4, 2010

Thanks Monte,
I have some new info from Triangle on the ratchets. The picture you posted is a Triangle product. That looks like a Nano Plus ratchet. I was informed those were made up to 2006 with the dual pawl. Many people requested a quick release, so the drive was redesigned with a single pawl, quick release and the ergo cover for direction change. Those ratchets were made for the European market with a few sold to Japanese dealers.
I was told that all Triangle ratchets are of a 72 tooth design with a specially designed pawl

supertooljunkie · Oct 4, 2010

I have some more information on Triangle Tool. It seems they have been supplying Gearwrench with the spring loaded universals. I noticed the other day on page S21 of the new Sears 2011 tool catalog, the Gearwrench branded universals looked a lot like the universals Triangle makes. I emailed Triangle and Gearwrench, and asked for the COO and who actually supplied who. The reply I got from Gearwrench, was that Taiwan was COO, and that was all. The response from Triangle was, yes, they supply Gearwrench with the spring loaded universals.

Monte · Oct 5, 2010

@supertooljunkie: thx for the info ! I thought they still come with the dual pawl design.

sk farmer · Oct 5, 2010

Monte said:
@supertooljunkie: thx for the info ! I thought they still come with the dual pawl design.

they do, mine is a dual pawl.instead of two thin stacked pawls it has two thick pawls opposite of each other. very similar to the wright but using more teeth

supertooljunkie · Oct 5, 2010

I will have to take mine apart again and look closer at it. Thanks skfarmer. I have some torque specs on the Triangle ratchets I received last night. I will post them later. I am having some trouble with my Photobucket account and moving stuff around.

supertooljunkie · Oct 10, 2010

Okay, I finally had some time to figure this out. Here are the torque specs for the Nano ratchets. The first spec is for the new pawl. The second is the old split pawl. :thumbup:

bchee · Oct 10, 2010

Thanks for those pictures.
Is that triangle website?

supertooljunkie · Oct 10, 2010

That is not on the website. I started emailing Triangle back when you posted your thread about Triangle. It was sent from an inquiry I made after starting this thread.

Monte · Oct 10, 2010

Interesting !! Thanks for posting !

bchee · Oct 10, 2010

What is the strictest standard to follow? ANSI or DIN?

supertooljunkie · Oct 10, 2010

bchee,
I'll have to ask my contact. I have a couple other questions and will add this one. It will be tomorrow before I get a response. Okay?

supertooljunkie · Oct 11, 2010

bchee,
Here is the info you requested. DIN*, (Deutches Institut fur Normung) standards are higher then ANSI, (American National Standards Institute), and Triangle standards are guaranteed 20% higher than DIN.

*DIN = German Institute for Standardization

bchee · Oct 11, 2010

THANK YOU for the info

superautobacs · Oct 11, 2010

FWIW, I assume that most tool manufacturers, now a days, are fully capable of producing tools that meet or exceed DIN/ANSI standards. Correct? Put another way, it's no longer some outstanding feature. (?)

bchee · Oct 11, 2010

I think they follow SOIS now

supertooljunkie · Oct 12, 2010

superautobacs said:
FWIW, I assume that most tool manufacturers, now a days, are fully capable of producing tools that meet or exceed DIN/ANSI standards. Correct? Put another way, it's no longer some outstanding feature. (?)

I am not a manufacturer. I have no idea what standards they seek conform to. It doesn't make much sense to spend the money to tool up and manufacture something like a tool and not meet or beat the highest standards out there. Of course, unless it is a manufacturer seeking to just throw the cheapest **** out on the market for the max profit, until they go bust, when the public figures out they are getting ****, and quit buying. :shocking:

supertooljunkie · Oct 12, 2010

In an earlier post, I mentioned that Triangle was supplying Gearwrench with spring loaded universals. Here is a link to the GW catalog page.

http://gearwrench.com/catalog/exten...ersals_and_adapters/setdetails.jsp?part=81231

Here is a picture of the Triangle branded universal from my set. The only difference is the finish.

superautobacs · Oct 12, 2010

supertooljunkie said:
I am not a manufacturer. I have no idea what standards they seek conform to. It doesn't make much sense to spend the money to tool up and manufacture something like a tool and not meet or beat the highest standards out there. Of course, unless it is a manufacturer seeking to just throw the cheapest **** out on the market for the max profit, until they go bust, when the public figures out they are getting ****, and quit buying.

A successful tool manufacturer with that sorta business model will have to be producing tools with some really antiquated tooling and machinery to make up for all equipment/operating costs and still come out with a profit. ....highly unlikely.

supertooljunkie · Oct 12, 2010

superautobacs said:
A successful tool manufacturer with that sorta business model will have to be producing tools with some really antiquated tooling and machinery to make up for all equipment/operating costs and still come out with a profit. ....highly unlikely.

This is true.......oh so true.

bchee · Oct 23, 2010

You can buy this stuff online now
http://www.vintagespeed.com.tw/triangle/

Those awesome u-joints are about $20 each. But if you buy the 3 piece set you save about $10
http://www.vintagespeed.com.tw/tria...ategory_id=33&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

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