Everything you need to know about bench vises...
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brimorga
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Question about the old Wilton's. I have a bullet and it only swivels <180 degrees before it hits the stop. I see some of the newer Wilton's swivel 360 degrees. Do you know when this change was made?
I was slightly disappointed when I mounted my vise and could not get it to hang over 2 corners and could not swivel it completely over the bench to move it out of the way.
I was slightly disappointed when I mounted my vise and could not get it to hang over 2 corners and could not swivel it completely over the bench to move it out of the way.
Wilton went from 941 W Wrightwood Chicago Il. to Schiller Pk. over a period of late 1956 thru 1957. Wilton has had a 360 swivel for over 50 years. 1957 and older was a the one piece split base. Personally, I like the older bases, they were just one piece and didn't require a base ring that cracks frequently.
weatmaster
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good topic
treasure37
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I am new to the site and appreciate the wealth of knowledge here. I just picked up a big Yost vise but can't seem to find much info about it. Any info you have would be appreciated. The only number I find on it is a 5 which appears on a plate on both pieces on the left side. Was there a model 5 Yost vise? I have not had a chance to clean it up but am looking forward to getting her in shape with help from this site.
Thanks,
JT
Thanks,
JT
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i would give yost vise a call, they r still in business, i'm sure they would b more than glad to help out, 616-396-2063
Reed vise numbering
Thought this info in one place would be useful. After looking at some old catalogs ads on Ebay for Reed vises here is what I found. They had some big ones available!
Machinists vise 100 series is non-swiveling, 200 series is swivel base. Only difference in specs is weight, a 102 with a swivel would be a 202.
Model#__width__opening__wt___200 series weight
102______ 2"_____3"___10 lbs______12 lbs
102 1/2__2 1/2"__3 1/2_15 lbs______20 lbs
103______3"______4"___22 lbs_____ 27 lbs
103 1/2__3 1/2"___5"___29 lbs______38 lbs
104______4"______6"___43 lbs______51 lbs
104 1/2__4 1/2"___7"___58 lbs______66 lbs
105______5"______8"___73 lbs______89 lbs
105 1/2__5 1/2"___9"___103 lbs_____120 lbs
106______6"_____10"___135 lbs_____153 lbs
107______7"_____12"___175 lbs_____204 lbs
108______8"_____12"___236 lbs_____278 lbs
109______9"_____13"___283 lbs_____327 lbs
400 series machinst vise has swivel jaw and swivel base
Model#__width__opening__wt
402 1/2__2 1/2"___3"_____22 lbs
403_______3"___3 1/2"___31 lbs
403 1/2"_3 1/2"___4"_____42 lbs
404_______4"___4 1/2"___58 lbs
404 1/2__4 1/2"_5 1/2"___75 lbs
405_______5"___6 1/2"___98 lbs
405 1/2__5 1/2"_7 1/2"___139 lbs
406_______6"____9"_____164 lbs
407_______7"__11 1/2"___223 lbs
408_______8"____12"____300 lbs
Thought this info in one place would be useful. After looking at some old catalogs ads on Ebay for Reed vises here is what I found. They had some big ones available!
Machinists vise 100 series is non-swiveling, 200 series is swivel base. Only difference in specs is weight, a 102 with a swivel would be a 202.
Model#__width__opening__wt___200 series weight
102______ 2"_____3"___10 lbs______12 lbs
102 1/2__2 1/2"__3 1/2_15 lbs______20 lbs
103______3"______4"___22 lbs_____ 27 lbs
103 1/2__3 1/2"___5"___29 lbs______38 lbs
104______4"______6"___43 lbs______51 lbs
104 1/2__4 1/2"___7"___58 lbs______66 lbs
105______5"______8"___73 lbs______89 lbs
105 1/2__5 1/2"___9"___103 lbs_____120 lbs
106______6"_____10"___135 lbs_____153 lbs
107______7"_____12"___175 lbs_____204 lbs
108______8"_____12"___236 lbs_____278 lbs
109______9"_____13"___283 lbs_____327 lbs
400 series machinst vise has swivel jaw and swivel base
Model#__width__opening__wt
402 1/2__2 1/2"___3"_____22 lbs
403_______3"___3 1/2"___31 lbs
403 1/2"_3 1/2"___4"_____42 lbs
404_______4"___4 1/2"___58 lbs
404 1/2__4 1/2"_5 1/2"___75 lbs
405_______5"___6 1/2"___98 lbs
405 1/2__5 1/2"_7 1/2"___139 lbs
406_______6"____9"_____164 lbs
407_______7"__11 1/2"___223 lbs
408_______8"____12"____300 lbs
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Reed filers and coachmakers vises
Reed also had "filers" vises with higher jaws and deeper opening. The model numbers are 110 series for stationary base, 210 for swivel base and 410 for swivel jaw and swivel base. The "coachmakers" vise has what appears to be even higher jaws and a swivel base and has 220 series model numbers.
Model#__width__opening__wt
114______4"_____5 1/2"__45 lbs
114 1/2_4 1/2"___6 1/2"__56 lbs
115______5_____7 1/2"__74 lbs
214______4"_____5 1/2"__57 lbs
214 1/2_4 1/2"___6 1/2"__66 lbs
215______5_____7 1/2"__93 lbs
414______4"_____4 1/2"__57 lbs
414 1/2_4 1/2"___5 1/2"__72 lbs
415______5_____6 1/2"___98 lbs
224______4_______7"____54 lbs
224 1/2_4 1/2"____11"___78 lbs
Reed also had "filers" vises with higher jaws and deeper opening. The model numbers are 110 series for stationary base, 210 for swivel base and 410 for swivel jaw and swivel base. The "coachmakers" vise has what appears to be even higher jaws and a swivel base and has 220 series model numbers.
Model#__width__opening__wt
114______4"_____5 1/2"__45 lbs
114 1/2_4 1/2"___6 1/2"__56 lbs
115______5_____7 1/2"__74 lbs
214______4"_____5 1/2"__57 lbs
214 1/2_4 1/2"___6 1/2"__66 lbs
215______5_____7 1/2"__93 lbs
414______4"_____4 1/2"__57 lbs
414 1/2_4 1/2"___5 1/2"__72 lbs
415______5_____6 1/2"___98 lbs
224______4_______7"____54 lbs
224 1/2_4 1/2"____11"___78 lbs
Here are the catalog pages from the 1931 Samuel Harris & Co catalog.
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For reference, a modern 305S (Machinist, Swivel base, 5" jaws) runs $575-$650. $30 for a 205 in 1931 is about $330 now.
So yeah, things were cheaper back then!
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For reference, a modern 305S (Machinist, Swivel base, 5" jaws) runs $575-$650. $30 for a 205 in 1931 is about $330 now.
So yeah, things were cheaper back then!
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And now the reason I started all this research, the combination bench and pipe vise. I recently got a Reed 1C vise and have been researching it. I have not found a list of the different vises with the 1C 2C 3C 4C lettering but have a suspicion Reed probably just changed the designation on the vise. The designation I found is in the chart as follows. Anyone seen vises marked this way? It's a 1931 catalog. No opening width was given. My 1C matches the specs of the model 31 listed.
Model#__width___max pipe diam__wt
31______3 1/2"_____2 1/2"______46 lbs
32______4 1/2"_____3 1/2"______72 lbs
33________5"______4 1/2"______119 lbs
34________6"________6"_______178 lbs
Model#__width___max pipe diam__wt
31______3 1/2"_____2 1/2"______46 lbs
32______4 1/2"_____3 1/2"______72 lbs
33________5"______4 1/2"______119 lbs
34________6"________6"_______178 lbs
That 1C, 2C, 4C etc I believe Reed kept consistent with for their combo vises. A 4C sold recently on Ebay for $1650!
I've got a #32. brats.n.harleys has what I think is a #33. From the pics he's posted, I think his vice opens a couple more inches than mine, which would make sense for a larger vise. It doesn't look big enough to be 6" and he must be a HUGE honkin' boy to not mention it was heavy. 178 is a stout piece of iron.
The #32 is 4.25" jaws, though, not 4.5".
The #32 is 4.25" jaws, though, not 4.5".
meatsis
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hey autopts are you referring to the vise that matchlessantiques sold for $1625? if so that was a 3c not the 4c
I agree, a new Reed 3CA is $835. Appears to be a little lighter though at 95 lbs.
Quint
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Up for sale is a large vintage French Made vise with 5" jaws and 10" opening. Has swivel lock base.
Has the name Samere Meuse stamped and B Tout-Acier (meaning All-Steel) also stamped followed by the number 62 8.
Handle has a bend in it but otherwise fully functional.
Price is $75 or offer.
Thanks for looking.
Hate to bump this, but after reading Page 3, it seems as if this brand is quite a find. I'm wondering if it's worth $75 though.
Also, it appears as if the handle is bent (which I'm sure is common). Are there easy methods of replacing these?
Thanks Vise Gurus!
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onewaydave
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...but is next to worthless on a cabinet maker's bench.
Dave.
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Hello,
I can help you out about the Sambre et Meuse vise. This is my vise and i've been trying to find info on this for quite some time.
First I contacted Sambre et Meuse's website asking about info on age, model and value and this is what I got back.
"What are you looking for information ???
The model is 62D – reference E63120, that’s all I can give you.
We do not produce vise since may 2009.
Catherine HRYCEWYCZ
SAMBRE ET MEUSE
Administration des Ventes"
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So then I contacted the company Dolex to see if they could help and this is what he said. He was very helpfull!
"Good evening !
I'll try to help you...
This vise is a Sambre et Meuse vise type 62 with a swivelling base
It was manufactured during 30 years till 1995, and then it was replaced by the type 92.
I cannot see on the photo the width of the jaws..5 or 6"?
At that time (in 1995) the retail prices of these tools were the following :
- 190 € ( about 260 USD) for the 5" vice with its base
- 200 € ( about 275 USD) for the 6" vice with its base
To-day, your vise is a "collector"
I hope that these precisions will be convenient to you
Best regards
Marcel Dumas
sales manager
dolex sas"
END QUOTE
Hope this helps
Only thing i'm unsure of is the year?
Nate
I can help you out about the Sambre et Meuse vise. This is my vise and i've been trying to find info on this for quite some time.
First I contacted Sambre et Meuse's website asking about info on age, model and value and this is what I got back.
"What are you looking for information ???
The model is 62D – reference E63120, that’s all I can give you.
We do not produce vise since may 2009.
Catherine HRYCEWYCZ
SAMBRE ET MEUSE
Administration des Ventes"
END QUOTE
So then I contacted the company Dolex to see if they could help and this is what he said. He was very helpfull!
"Good evening !
I'll try to help you...
This vise is a Sambre et Meuse vise type 62 with a swivelling base
It was manufactured during 30 years till 1995, and then it was replaced by the type 92.
I cannot see on the photo the width of the jaws..5 or 6"?
At that time (in 1995) the retail prices of these tools were the following :
- 190 € ( about 260 USD) for the 5" vice with its base
- 200 € ( about 275 USD) for the 6" vice with its base
To-day, your vise is a "collector"
I hope that these precisions will be convenient to you
Best regards
Marcel Dumas
sales manager
dolex sas"
END QUOTE
Hope this helps
Only thing i'm unsure of is the year?
Nate
shampoop
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Can anyone tell what kind of vise this is?
Catalyze
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Csander - that is a lovely old Charles Parker 436 combination pipe/machinist vise. It should have 6" wide jaws. Your front "clip" is missing and has a substitue one made from steel sheet. The original clip would say "PARKER" on it and be a touch different. You have the pipe jaws which is a plus and your handle is bent which is not a plus...but nothing serious. Your vise should weigh 186 pounds without cobwebs. It was about $50 brand new before WWII. Today it goes for more...LOL My WAG is $350 -$500 since it is the largest of the Parker combo vises. Someone will most likely reference 2 that sold on Ebay....one for $750 recently and one for $1600 last year. Both were by the same seller who always gets top dollar for very pristine vises and sometimes has "strange" bidding. Lots of other folks may chime in with better guesses. You might also repost your vise in a totally new thread. Just title it Charles Parker 436 help needed and tons of us will flock to it. Good Luck!
Craig
Craig
Catalyze
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Shampoop - take about 4 more photos of it and start a new thread called "Can anyone ID this Vise" and we will be all over it in minutes.....or hours..LOL. More photos and a new thread will get you an answer.
Craig
Craig
I think the 430 is a 3" Combo no? Strange, the 3" combo Parker can't be that heavy. I had a 434 1/2 & even the 435 wasn't that heavy. The 436 might be. How wide are those jaws? That last # might be more like a 6 then a zero. Their condition really determins their worth.
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shampoop
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It's a cheap one on craigslist. The guy finally e-mailed back and said "jet" is the name. I googled some but they all look different from it.
Catalyze
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Jet = an Oriental company that makes a lot of tools if I remember correctly (which is seldom anymore)
Craig
Craig
Forgive me if I am repeating this question to some of you on other forums. Got an American Scale Vise with an extra hole in the movable jaw. Trying to find out the reason for it. I've seen a picture of a similiar American Scale vise on another forum with something in this hole, but that "something" was not identified or explained.
Anybody know what this hole is for?
Anybody know what this hole is for?
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Re: Reed vise numbering
-Brad
This is odd... I have a 105 with oval logo, and it came with a swivel base.
-Brad
Catalyze
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I think that the later Reeds used the 100 series and threw an "S" on it for swivel.
At least there is a 104S Reed on Fleabay and it swivels...actually the photo didn't move at all....I imagined that it does.
Craig
At least there is a 104S Reed on Fleabay and it swivels...actually the photo didn't move at all....I imagined that it does.
Craig
It might be interested in it depending on where its at and how much you want for it.
V/8
Catalyze
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Basically Nashville area.
Craig
Craig
Thanks Catalyze, I found the other thread he has started about this vice and it is too far away and too heavy (shipping costs). By the gist of the thread it looks like he is going to want a lot for it too.
V/8
disaster1277
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i just bought a red aluminum bench vise at a flea mrt. the other day the only info. on it that it was made in England and below that ADD+VISE i have checked the internet and could not find anything if anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated
Looking at a Reed on Craigslist and I'm wondering what a realistic price should be providing it passes the physical inspection. Does a Reed go by the same "buck-per-pound max" guidline as other brands? This appears to be a 108. It's rough looking, but I have a blast cabinet so it could be cleaned up.
Ad text just says: "VISE Reed Mfg. 8" Bench/Pipe vise 97 year old antique Weight 165lbs Asking $300"
Thanks to all for this great forum.
Ad text just says: "VISE Reed Mfg. 8" Bench/Pipe vise 97 year old antique Weight 165lbs Asking $300"
Thanks to all for this great forum.
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"American Scale: These vises are usually smaller, with an exposed leadscrew. They are lighter duty vises, and not suited for heavy use."
I mean no disrespect. But, I have found an exception to this general principle. This vise resides in the shop at my friendly local scrap yard. Overall length is 36 inches. Jaws are 8 1/4 inches. The lead screw knob is about 3 inches and has an integral collar (garter). Don't know what it weighs. It is used mainly to hold gas tanks so the valves can be removed.
I mean no disrespect. But, I have found an exception to this general principle. This vise resides in the shop at my friendly local scrap yard. Overall length is 36 inches. Jaws are 8 1/4 inches. The lead screw knob is about 3 inches and has an integral collar (garter). Don't know what it weighs. It is used mainly to hold gas tanks so the valves can be removed.
