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I wanted to get a bushing made for a project and since it was just a simple bushing (but odd sized), I went out to the oldest machine shop in our area. I pulled up and right out front (this is outside of town proper) is a Reed 108 Vise on a railroad track pedestal. It is old...it is rusty....it has a curved handle... and it is tasty. I think to myself.....Self, let us proceed to procure that vise for next to nothing in funds. I go inside and explain to the closest machinist what I would like in a bushing and Oh, by the way is the rusty vise out front display or for sale? I got the talk to the owner speech and so I waited for the owner. He arrived just as I was catching a subtle (to me anyway) glimpse of a Wilton C3 bolted to a table. I explain my bushing needs again and he explains to me why I don't really need a bushing for my project in a polite "let me try and save you from yourself" manner. I agreed (he makes sense....but it seemed so great an idea alone late at night). I ask him about that rusty display vise out front and its possible sale to me. He laughs and says....."Son, that came from the Santa Fe railroad shops when we still had party lines for phone service. It was #$@%ed up...had to make a new nut for the lead screw." I said....That's great that you can make new parts for an old vise. He tells me to follow him into another room. That's when I entered Vise Heaven. On a layout table is a Morgan Chicago 160 in fine shape (painted Gov't Gray).....next to it are 2 Chicago Wiltons with 6" jaws in fine shape (painted Gov't Gray)....next to another Reed 108 (patent dates of 1910 and 1914 IIRC on the sides painted Gov't Gray)...next to a Morgan Chicago 140 in fine shape (painted ....well ...you know)...but at the end of the row is a Prentiss 22 vise. It is Big (6" jaws)....it swivels.....the rear jaw swivels...and it is painted GG. He says that he has fixed various parts for all of these vises including screw collars....screw nuts....complete lead screws..etc. I start babbling incoherently about their history and great designs and.....He stops me right in mid sob and says "Son, are you collecting vises?" I had to admit, yes. He says that all of them are for sale. They are just tools albeit old ones to him. They work better than anything imported but they are still just tools and they are for sale. He is asking about 75% of a new USA made vise cost. The Prentiss is way out of any price range that I could afford so I ask him about ...cough cough....the old rust Reed out front. You know...the "display" one. He laughs and says that the Reed is used every day but that he will take "trade" for that one. I brighten up. "Just bring me a new 8'" Wilton vise and you can take the Reed home." I left Vise Heaven with a nervous twitch in my eye lid. I had seen too much too soon. Now it was time to come back down to earth and my Chinese Shark Vice (as the label says). Sometimes old tools can give you a nervous twitch that chrome just can't do.
Craig
 
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I love the stand holding up that Reed. After you buy the vise, send me the stand. :drool:

It's a good thing they had their best guard dog on duty protecting all that big iron.
 

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The owner told me that he had "oiled up" the Reed since they had used it all day. He also got a kick out of me coming back to photo up the place and he laughed when I told him that there really are folks out there that like vises. On a side note.....I am trying to get in good with the guard dog.....maybe he can slip that Reed 108 into my El Camino next time I go out there...then all I have to do is buy the stand for b100!
Craig
 

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I had a chance to buy a reed 108 this weekend but he wanted 1000. You will never believe this but it had the same stand. I will post the photo because that is too much of a coincidence. I am not sure what is was but there is a name on the side.
 

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I had a chance to buy a reed 108 this weekend but he wanted 1000. You will never believe this but it had the same stand. I will post the photo because that is too much of a coincidence. I am not sure what is was but there is a name on the side.


The old guy said they came from the Sante fe Railroad, I am sure all the shop vises where mounted the same. Very likely that the vise you have a photo of came from another railroad shop.

Just my .02 worth
 

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I think I remember seeing somewhere on GJ where the original price for some of these big vises were similar to buying a car back in the day ($600 range?). 1000 for the vise and stand is pretty good, especially if you figure in 90 years of inflation!

It doesn't look like keeping old iron around is a good long term investment.
 

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Wow! I don't think I could ever manage to justify spending $1000 for a vise, but that monster with the iron stand would surely be tempting!
 

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Cool! Great story, and loved the pix. Thanks so much. Hope you can get one for yourself.

I LOVE that pedestal!
 

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It probably did come from a rr shop. I have not seen it in person as a friend sent me the pic. I already have a newer 108 reed like it but ia has 3 mounting holes instead of 4. I would prefer the swivel base 208. I have a hollands 8 inch jaw vise that is heavier(315Lb) and I would pay 1000 for another if there was one for sale but I think I may offer this guy 600 and see what he says. At an auction a huge vice usually brings real money. They do not loose money as far as I can see.
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I made myself feel better (I had to do something to get the twitch out of my eye) by buying a Charles Parker 272 vise. It's a 4 1/2" swivel base/swivel jaw beauty from way back.
Craig
 

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Dude, you should be banned for not posting pictures.

I made myself feel better (I had to do something to get the twitch out of my eye) by buying a Charles Parker 272 vise. It's a 4 1/2" swivel base/swivel jaw beauty from way back.
Craig
 

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Look on page 100 of the Vises of Garage Journal......LOL
Craig

Ok, yup. You got me. In fact, I was just admiring that before jumping over to this thread. I wasn't looking at the authors...

I guess this means I'm on double secret probation for false accusation.
 
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Here's a few Vises I've pick up over the past year I have a Reed 106,and a Athol 626,and my best one is a Morgan Chicago 80 and it's like new I bought it from a retired Santa Fe railroad worker who had to be in his late 80s.i have a question if someone can let me know did Morgan Chicago make bigger vises than this 80 that I have thanks
 

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And as requested.....here are some photos of BIG Vises.
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Just curious, but did you happen to notice what is in the bolt holes in the base of the stand? Are they just large rivets to plug the holes? The heads don't look to be hex shaped. I had to take a second glance at that picture, because I was admiring the vise stand and at first glance it looked like the stand was bolted into the dirt.:wtf: My second thought was that you probably could bolt that vise directly into the dirt and it still wouldn't move when using it.:lol_hitti
 

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I have a 4" Simplex vise and two smaller 3" vises (Littleton & Dunlap) on my work bench.

Our RR heavy repair shop had Wilton vises all over the place, when I started working there in 1981.
 
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Just curious, but did you happen to notice what is in the bolt holes in the base of the stand? Are they just large rivets to plug the holes? The heads don't look to be hex shaped. I had to take a second glance at that picture, because I was admiring the vise stand and at first glance it looked like the stand was bolted into the dirt.:wtf: My second thought was that you probably could bolt that vise directly into the dirt and it still wouldn't move when using it.:lol_hitti

Probably just some big spikes driven in to add a little extra stability I would think?
 

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Now that stand is what I'm talking about!

I agree spikes, and more to keep the stand form twisting on a side load than tipping. That setup must weigh over 1000 lbs...
 

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Now that stand is what I'm talking about!

I agree spikes, and more to keep the stand form twisting on a side load than tipping. That setup must weigh over 1000 lbs...

That makes perfect sense. I don't know why my mind went directly to plugs for the holes instead. It must be because I had just finished reading one of the drill press restoration threads where the original owner of the press had filled in all the holes and channels in the base plate so shavings and gunk wouldn't keep filling them up.

That is a really nice stand. It would be nice to bolt it down so then you could mount the vise on the extended end of the top surface (without it possibly being tippy) so if you ever had to hold something in the vise vertically it could rest right on the floor instead of hitting and resting on the curved base.
 

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I think this is where these vises and stands came from. look in front of each train that they are working on and you'll see these huge vises on the stands that are in these pictures.

more of these vises might be out there with these stands according to this !!!!!
 

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Check this picture out RE: the vise, the vise stand, and the coolness factor:

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This is where those vises and vise stands were used.

:beer:

Dave

EDIT: Damn drivesitfar, you beat me to it, what a coincidence on a Friday evening!
 

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Wow, sweetD and drivesitfar are having a Vulcan mind meld this evening. Both posted at the exact same time too. Impressive, your Google-fu is strong.
 

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Seriously we are on just about the most opposite coasts you can get in our great country, and we both post the same thing at the same time. Too much!

That's worth another beer....!
 

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Agreed. must have a thing for huge vises and US Steel. Nice job because when I clicked the back button your post was on there and I thought that was strange and scrolled down to see mine in front of yours.

I wasn't drinking, but I may grab a Stella and have a drink with you. by the way are you taking care of my wife's Seahawks?

cheers
 

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We here in RI are fairly disinterested in the Super Bowl this year, you can imagine why.

That being said, I do have a thing for vises in general. Most people call it a vise vice.

Crack that Stella - you're three hours behind!

:beer:

Dave
 

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going to grab an ice cold one now. I agree with you on the Super Bowl and other than our local team having a chance to win their first since becoming a team in 1976 it's just about the commercials for me.

cheers and nice recall on that old RR picture that I think Wrenchguy posted on the vise thread a few weeks or more ago.
 
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