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Increased altitude can be a problem, unless an engine is out. I can't imagine working on your shop that high. Its even that much more to appreciate it.

BTW, when are you going to get a thread going about your place?

My 'Salt Life Hideout' is almost ready... I have the background info and the before shots ready, but I want to add some of the new work before it goes up. I liked the way you did your 'Before Asylum' thread that you posted everything in a few posts just minutes apart. I'm almost there. Thanks for asking, it will be soon.

Update - Salt Life Hideout went live 8/4
 
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Thin air - that's what I'll blame it on. I've actually had to lay off the beer and drink GatorAid lately to avoid headaches after working on the scaffold all day in this heat. Being sober while I'm out there almost makes all this seem like work :)
Nevermind - it STILL beats the best day in the office!

I'll be looking for that thread of yours Wingnut65 - sounds interesting already.

MY METHOD FOR STARTING A NEW THREAD IN GJ...

For starting a new thread, I just figure out how many posts its going to take to get the whole story out (decided mainly on the number of pictures I have to submit; 7 per thread max if uploading to GJ) and break it up accordingly in my master MS-Word document. Then it's just a matter of copy/pasting into the thread.

Don't be surprised when you actually have to wait on the website to allow you to post the next one - there is some type of repeat-post interlock that must timeout before posting the next reply. I will upload the text as quickly as possible one after another and then go back and edit the replies to add pictures in the correct spots. Takes about 15 mins for the whole process, and I'm sure if someone stumbles into the thread as it's happening, they will wonder what's going on.

Of course, if you're using a different photo hosting site, you can already have all the "code" for the pictures in your text to begin with so there's no need for edits. This works pretty good on another website I frequent that doesn't allow uploading pictures.
 
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COVERING THE POWER WINDOW ACTUATORS…

Covering the air actuator was a good suggestion (thanks larry_g), not only from a functional standpoint, but also from an aesthetic one. Unlike the window jambs, I found something that made my job much easier in this case. Some vinyl eave trough (gutters) worked perfectly and matching end caps were available. I sliced the trough right down the centerline to create a half cover for the actuator.

In these pictures, the “as-purchased” trough (with end cap sitting on top) is shown on the left along with the finished 28.5” long cover on the right. One 10’ section and 8 end caps are enough to cover the 8 actuators so it was a pretty economical solution. And they have a nice glossy appearance.

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And this is what it looks like installed. Unfortunately, they are visible when standing on the ground since they needed to be tall enough to clear the slide block on the actuator. Oh well, you can’t have everything.

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With this wall finished, it was time to move the Chevelle back to the south bay so work could now focus on the north side again. But before I did that, I decided to measure the exact room available with the Avalanche parked there. It’s a bit longer than a standard Avy with its front push bar and matching rear tubular step. There is a surplus of 41” total, and with a little clearance to the rollup door, there is still adequate room to open the apartment man door. The Avalanche is staying with me for a while since it only has 40K miles on it, but I doubt I will ever own anything longer that needs to park here.

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A LITTLE DREAMING ABOUT VEHICLE PLACEMENT...

I’m getting close to being able to work IN the shop instead of just ON the shop, and I'm thinking the following may work out the best for my needs.

MAIN BAY (SOUTH): This is the spot closest to the apartment. In the recent juggling of vehicles, it became clear to me that the south bay is the “safe” spot, and vehicles parked there are out of the way with little risk of being bumped when carrying things around or things falling on them (unless I drop my beer can out of the office bay window :)). This makes me think the first BendPak HD-9XW parking lift will be placed in the south bay with a classic car stored above and the spot below reserved for the “visiting vehicle” (daily driver).

MAIN BAY (NORTH): The project car will occupy the entire middle bay of the shop and a 2-post lift may go there where I have 6” thick concrete. I would like to stay with BendPak on this purchase so I don’t have to research the safety and engineering aspects of another mfgr, but I really like the idea of a MAX-JAX style portable version because it can be moved out of the way if needed. I could even have alternate positions for it (fore/aft in the bay) depending on what is being worked on at the time. The crane also sweeps across a good portion of this bay and will come in handy for pulling engines and such. The car will be located fairly close to the roll-up door leaving plenty of room near the main and island workbenches in the back of this 36’ deep bay.

SIDE BAY (Lean-To): The side bay has that narrow 8’ door which isn’t the easiest to drive in and out of with a full size vehicle. But for bikes, it’s no problem. My two classic bikes will be moved from the yard equipment shed to join the other ones for a line-up in the side bay. Working in conjunction with the rear door, it could almost be like a cycle drive-thru (nobody likes backing bikes up, do they?). A cycle restoration could also be conducted in the rear of this bay near the main work area where a majority of the tools will be. A second HD-9 may be purchased for the side bay depending on storage needs in the future. Height is adequate for sports car storage on the top lift position with ample headroom below.

Boy, it sure is fun to dream, isn’t it? Hopefully I can make some of it reality soon when I get this main bay finished!

SHOP TIP: TAKING LONG MEASUREMENTS W/O A MEASURING TAPE…

I believe I mentioned this before on GJ (maybe even in this thread), but this one is worth mentioning again. I was reminded of it with all the overhead work being done on the ceiling.

For long measurements, especially overhead ones with nothing for a measuring tape to hook onto and pull taunt, a locking telescopic pole works absolutely fantastic. Just extend it out to touch the two items you are trying to span between and lock it down. Transfer the length of the pole to the piece requiring the cut and you’ll have a perfectly trimmed part. And there’s no need to remember or write down measurements either.

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The long one in the picture is a pool cleaning pole that would normally have a clip-on brush or screen on the end. It’s sitting next to a 12’ section of J-channel about to be cut to length. These poles cost less than $20 and can take measurements from 8’ to 14’. I bought other ones intended as long reach paint roller or duster handles that collapse down even smaller because they are 3-section designs.
 
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Thanks Vernmotor. Those covers were one of the easier jobs I have done lately.

And to the fellow Garage Journal member that just gave this thread a 1-star "Terrible" rating...
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I sure would like to know what you think I'm doing wrong to deserve it. I'm just trying to help some of the folks out there, but if I can improve on something, I will certainly try.
 

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Oh well, you can’t have everything.

Sure you can! You just need to build a bigger place to put it all :lol_hitti. Then the next decision, if you could have everything, what color would it be?

I know the quote is out of context... but... I've found gutters and downspouts are useful in creative ways. The cover looks great. And, it doest hurt to dream. We wouldn't be where we are today if we didn't dream.
 
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And to the fellow Garage Journal member that just gave this thread a 1-star "Terrible" rating...
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I sure would like to know what you think I'm doing wrong to deserve it. I'm just trying to help some of the folks out there, but if I can improve on something, I will certainly try.
A big THANKS goes out to the 2 (edit: 10) members that quickly responded with a high rating to help bring the average back up. :beer:
The same statement holds true for you guys too - if you would like to see something that would make this thread better, I would love to hear it. Feel free to PM me.

Maybe more pictures and less text?
Less detail? More detail?

This thread has been running for 5 years now, but I don't think I'm THAT set in my ways to make some changes :)
 
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Well I never did the rating on any of the threads..Never thought about it. and I am glad you brought it up.. I had to go look where to do that ? I just did't know ?..But I think you need to hang a Mopar sign in that shop and it would really bring it up to par ! LMAO.. ( you ask)
 

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Shopnut -

647 replies & 167k views tells me this:

"BADGES(stars), we don't need no stinkin' badges!"

I've never really even bothered looking at ratings to point me to a thread, but when I pause to to choose, I just look at how popular (replies & views) the thread is, and then decide.

Really, you've done an OUTSTANDING JOB in providing your audience with descriptions and photos of your work in and on the ASYLUM.:thumbup:

Thank you!
 

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I love reading how he does things. He is very detailed about what and how he does things. Most of the time I read stuff and have to ask what about this or that. Not with him. Top 3-4 garage reads here :)
 
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Sure you can! You just need to build a bigger place to put it all :lol_hitti.
A bigger place? That would do me in for sure! I'm counting down the days until the Asylum matches what I've been seeing in my head for 6 years.

I know the quote is out of context... but... I've found gutters and downspouts are useful in creative ways. The cover looks great. And, it doest hurt to dream. We wouldn't be where we are today if we didn't dream.
I remember the days when Lowes/HD sold all the white vinyl fence parts individually. A 1001 uses for those too. Now they just sell 8' fence sections and a few assorted parts - what a shame.

And yes, we ALL need to keep dreaming!
 
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But I think you need to hang a Mopar sign in that shop and it would really bring it up to par ! LMAO.. ( you ask)
LOL. There are certainly a large number of Mopar musclecars out there I would love to have, no doubt. They just did some outrageous things in the late '60/early '70's that will never be repeated. So cool. But if I put up a mfgr's sign of all those worshipped by me and the members on this forum, I'm going to need more wall space :)

(I guess I DO need to be careful what I ask for!)

I love reading how he does things. He is very detailed about what and how he does things. Most of the time I read stuff and have to ask what about this or that. Not with him. Top 3-4 garage reads here :)

I think He does not see alot of post on here. because he explain it so well.You don't have to ask questions.

Thanks a lot Vernmotor. I treat my posts here much like the way I've been taught to create my emails at work. I pack as much detail in as I can, hoping the person on the other end can figure it out and doesn't have to ask questions.

Of course, I'm happy to elaborate if needed. All of you, please don't hesitate to ask questions. This stuff is staring me in the face everyday and you folks are just seeing a glimpse of it through this forum, so I understand there are bound to be questions.
 
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Shopnut -

647 replies & 167k views tells me this:

"BADGES(stars), we don't need no stinkin' badges!"

I've never really even bothered looking at ratings to point me to a thread, but when I pause to to choose, I just look at how popular (replies & views) the thread is, and then decide.

Really, you've done an OUTSTANDING JOB in providing your audience with descriptions and photos of your work in and on the ASYLUM.:thumbup:

Thank you!
Thanks Omphaloskeptic. I guess I only watch the rating because there are some people that would rather express their appreciation that way then post a reply. No problem, I still "hear" them loud and clear no matter what method they use.

BTW, I still use that Blazing Saddles quote every chance I get. The young kids that have never seen the movie are starting to look at me funny, however!
 
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Quick question. Why didn't you have the gutter dust guard go the full length of the window?
Many things I encounter here make me choose between form and function. I'm just not smart enough to incorporate both. Nine times out of ten, the engineer in me will choose function and in this case the "function" was increased wind and light coming in the window (as little as it may be) by going with the minimum length cover. Looking back, this may have been a good time to choose form by simply running that guard all the way across to make it blend in better.

(EDIT - Adding picture)

Here’s a shot with the window open that hopefully explains why I didn’t run the cover all the way across. Quite a bit of opening would be blocked otherwise.

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I look at these situations as a chance to redo the project with enhanced features. That way you are not fixing a “mistake” but just improving. I know it costs more in the long run this way but in my world I have unlimited cash. Bad part is I am the only one living in my world. :\
 
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I look at these situations as a chance to redo the project with enhanced features. That way you are not fixing a “mistake” but just improving. I know it costs more in the long run this way but in my world I have unlimited cash. Bad part is I am the only one living in my world. :\
It's great to escape to one's "own world" every now and then - I really enjoy it there :)
 
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PUTTING THOSE PESKY COLUMNS TO GOOD USE, PART 1…

When I was creating my index a while back, it became clear that I had forgotten to share a few of the features added to the Asylum in the early years. Luckily my photo library contained a few “in-process” shots to explain things better.

POST-MOUNTED DRILL PRESS:

I’ve used that stack of surplus fuel tank brackets for mounting a number of things besides the library ladder rail over the years. The L-brackets I’m talking about are shown in this picture (after a coat of white paint).

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Two of these brackets proved to be perfect for getting my drill press off of the floor. These pictures date back to 2006 when I was working on the side bay and the 6x6 column was still exposed. The brackets were eventually painted black, but are shown here in original tan paint. Don’t mind the cardboard box, is serves no purpose for the drill. But I later found a small cabinet for drill accessories at Ikea that will soon be mounted in the exact same spot as the box.

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The base of the drill press was removed and it was set directly on the bottom bracket. A couple bolts secure it down there. The drill press base was still leaning up against the column in the previous picture before going into deep storage.

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The top bracket was modified slightly to allow use of muffler clamps for attachment. Two clamps hold the drill press and the other two are intended to mount a guard someday to keep the chips from flying everywhere (still haven’t built that yet!).

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AIR AND ELECTRIC DROPS:

I added four 2x2’s to each column to create an H-shaped cross-section. This allowed me to not only hide the base of the L-brackets but also recess electrical and air lines. Sorry, I don’t have any in-process views of this, but shots of the finished product follow. I will snap a few next time I have a panel off.

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A copper air line drops down along each column and emerges from the tileboard at a 5’ height. Here, I attached a shutoff valve followed by a manifold (round disk of brass). The manifold has drain petcock at the bottom and two quick disconnects screwed in.

Two duplex 110V outlets are located on each column. Switches for the recessed accent lighting are also housed in a similar fashion higher up on the column on the other side. A dedicated outlet for the drill press was also installed.

The columns were covered in the same tileboard and black trim to match the rest of the interior.
 
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Shopnut, I love your thread...as a reader I like that you go back to the first page and keep it current and have a directory. After several years are you still digging the acid stain? I am shootin form the same color on my floor, I think it just looks great. Five stars!

Shaun
 
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Shopnut, I love your thread...as a reader I like that you go back to the first page and keep it current and have a directory. After several years are you still digging the acid stain? I am shootin form the same color on my floor, I think it just looks great. Five stars!

Shaun
Thanks Shaun.

I will refer you to reply #20 for additional info, but let me add this...

The acid stain has worked out well in the apartment, even with 2 large dogs (@ ~100 lbs each) walking on it. I was planning to wax it once a year and even bought a small buffing machine, but we have yet to use it - maybe one of these years :) It really has a lot of character and shows the swirls and randomness of the pour. Knowing we were going to do it, we put kraft paper down while the sheetrock and painting was being done to protect against splatters and save prep time.

We ripped up the vinyl and carpet in our city house 3 years ago and I really wanted to acid stain the whole house. But we chose porcelain tile instead because the slab was just too pitted (more like patched craters in some spots). Some imperfections look good, but it was beyond saving. Plus the builder had used the living room as a paint booth for all the doors and there was 1/8" of oil-based paint overspray on the floor that I just didn't want to deal with.

I would do it again in a heartbeat on a fresh slab.

EDIT: Here's another photo of the apartment showing some of the floor.

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Thanks...I did use the handy dandy index and read post 20 as well...that makes your thread that much more valuable to us. My wife loved the color of your stain...we are going to try and match that.

Shaun
 

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Man, talk about attention to details... Most people would have been satisfied wit a painted column. Tile lines align, outlets centered, corners trimmed... That looks beautiful! :bowdown:

Mounting the press make great sense. Especially since you can get to it from all angles. Wouldn't be the same mounted on a wall.

I like the C3, also.:thumbup:
 
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Thanks...I did use the handy dandy index and read post 20 as well...that makes your thread that much more valuable to us. My wife loved the color of your stain...we are going to try and match that.

Shaun
Its great to hear people are using the index. Actually, its long overdue for an update and I started on that a couple of days ago and hope to have it out by the end of this week.

We would have used that same color acid stain in the house too, if it would have happened. There's lots of different shades of brown in there so it goes with just about any type of woodwork or furniture. Good luck on yours - I bet you will be extremely happy with it. Cleanup is a breeze compared to tile.

Man, talk about attention to details... Most people would have been satisfied wit a painted column. Tile lines align, outlets centered, corners trimmed... That looks beautiful! :bowdown:

Thanks. My mom started calling me "Monk" lately like the TV show with Tony S. (last name ??). Don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but I'm thinking bad :(. I know I'm obsessed with this place, but it keeps me out of trouble.

Mounting the press make great sense. Especially since you can get to it from all angles. Wouldn't be the same mounted on a wall.

Full access has proven very handy. You'll see a couple of other things mounted to the second column in Part 2.

I like the C3, also.:thumbup:
I'll assume you're not talking about my Craftsman C3 cordless tool system (which I also really love) ;). That Vette has been with me since '88. Almost sold it about 7 years ago but just couldn't do it. Someday I'll get a separate thread going about the toys and give all the details.
 
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PUTTING THOSE PESKY COLUMNS TO GOOD USE, PART 2…

As mentioned in Part 1, this is a step back in time to document a few things I missed along the way. I wanted a complete clear-span inside the Asylum, but ended up with 2 columns over by the lean-to section. I tried to use them to my advantage, however.

POST-MOUNTED VISE AND ARBOR PRESS:

Using more of the surplus fuel tank brackets, my 6” vise and arbor press found a sturdy mounting base on the other column. This shot shows how I used two brackets back-to-back to mount the vise. The jaws are about 4’ off the ground and this seems about right for the things I do (btw, I’m 6’ tall). The arbor press mounts below on a single bracket and since it really doesn’t get used that often, it doesn’t bother me to get down on my knees when performing a job on it.

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Here are some shots of the nearly finished project. It’s great having full accessibility to the vise with it cantilevered like this. The only thing I don’t like, however, is the distance the vise is from the main workbench in the back of the shop. It’s very likely I will add a second smaller vise back there on that bench for convenience.

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As mentioned in Part 1, electrical and air drops were added to each post. I honestly don’t use these fixed position air hookups very often since the hose reels are right nearby, so they are used primarily as condensate drains.

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FANS, SPOT LIGHTS, AND STEPS TO REACH THEM:

I mentioned these early in this thread but thought I would show them again since I was on a roll talking about the columns.

Both columns were also used to mount fans and spotlights. I used articulating TV wall mounts (OMNI-MOUNT brand) to allow directing them where needed. They were positioned high enough not to be in the way when carrying lumber around (I still bump them occasionally, however). I mount them on the same arm because I figured wherever I needed light, I would probably need the cooling air as well.

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Even though the fan is remote-controlled and the light is controlled by a wall switch, I still needed away to reach up there and move the TV arm around. The solution was a step and grab handle so I didn’t have to bring a ladder over there every time I wanted to move it. The step gives me a 20” boost to reach the handle of the light.

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Here is a close-up of the fold-down step. I believe they call them “fold-down bus steps” because they are often used on the front fenders of school buses to wash the windshield.

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STORAGE AREAS ABOVE THE WINDOW NOOKS…

Another feature I failed to mention earlier is the storage cubby-hole I built above each window. The red arrows point to the 5 areas in the following pictures. Most of them house recessed light fixtures that illuminate the workbenches. Rather than fastening the tileboard directly on with screws, I used some hinges to create doors. I didn’t build them real heavy duty, but they’re perfect for storing spare light bulbs and such.

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Here’s a shot with the door propped open. Gravity holds the door closed.

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(EDIT: More Pictures and details on lights)

Above three of the windows, I added some old recessed lights that Dad gave me years ago. I painted the bezels black to go with the color scheme.

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Switches for the lights are located right up there by them. I also added a switched outlet since I was installing a box.

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This view shows the interior a bit better with the tops of the light cans visible. (I’m a reel freak so when I see a good deal on them, I stock up.)

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I have read this whole build from start to finish and it is by far my favorite! I love all the attention to detail and the innovative ways to create storage, access points, etc. I am going to be going back over this in great detail when I start remodeling my garage with the hopes that I can take away even a couple of the brilliant ideas and use them for myself!
 
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Man, Even the walls have details!

I've really got to go back to page 1 and start the Asylum again...

well let us know in a week when your done lol

I know...there is too much to take in at once!

My body aches just thinking about building all those details :(. Luckily, adding updates here is the easy part!

BTW, I added a few more pictures in reply 670 to explain the storage compartments better.
 
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Nice TV..LOL

Are you making fun of my nonexistent TV? :)

Well, that's where it's going anyway. I'm just waiting for a hand-me-down flatscreen to become available. I reserved that spot because its visible from most working areas of the shop and it's close to the other A/V components. There's room for a up to a 42" up there and I'm thinking the recessed nook will have a roll-front (tambour) door to protect the screen when things get messy while working.
 
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I have read this whole build from start to finish and it is by far my favorite! I love all the attention to detail and the innovative ways to create storage, access points, etc. I am going to be going back over this in great detail when I start remodeling my garage with the hopes that I can take away even a couple of the brilliant ideas and use them for myself!
Seeing your May 2011 join date, let me start out by saying WELCOME to the website, Foxxtrot.

Thanks for your kind remarks. I'm a packrat so storage is important to me. You must have this thread pretty closely to pick up on the access points - they are all paying big dividends in the recent years as upgrades are being added, especially the electrical circuits.

Feel free to ask questions or use any ideas that you see. You might also want to check out my city garage for a few other ideas as you remodel your place.
 

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If I am ever down in Florida I feel like I'd have to stop by your shop to truly appreciate it. Even though the pictures are awesome, I feel like just photos can't do it justice.

And hey, then we can swing by Wingnut's place and cause some trouble;)
 

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If I am ever down in Florida I feel like I'd have to stop by your shop to truly appreciate it. Even though the pictures are awesome, I feel like just photos can't do it justice.

And hey, then we can swing by Wingnut's place and cause some trouble;)

You would be more than welcome in Florida to hit a few GJ shops.

And my cuzzin Goofy has a cool place in Central Florida as well. His place is more of a reason to come to the Sunshine State. January, Februar and march are three other reasons to leave Colorado for a break.
 
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