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autopts

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Here is a fun thing I learned today about Prentiss vises. Basically the main nut from a 5" Prentiss will fit a swivel jaw Model 21 or a Bulldog 265. The Bulldog main nut has 21 cast right in it. If UPS hadn't lost the dynamic jaw of my Model 21, I could tell you if the lead screw would swap over too as far as length. The other nut in the photo is from a Model 22.
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Its hard to believe that those threaded main nuts have not seen the light of day since they were assembled 100 years ago. The last fingers that probably handled those pieces were the assemblers at the factory maybe even before WWI Guys, your looking at some serious vise history here! Yeah, the chimmeys were all smoking back then and that was before Industrialization moved West. Those are non replaceable relics!
 
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Its hard to believe that those threaded main nuts have not seen the light of day since they were assembled 100 years ago. The last fingers that probably handled those pieces were the assemblers at the factory maybe even before WWI Guys, your looking at some serious vise history here! Yeah, the chimmeys were all smoking back then and that was before Industrialization moved West. Those are non replaceable relics!
You just made me go hug my vise.
 

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Hug that nice Columbian also and keep it at home. Its clean!!
It will probably stay because I just can't let it go cheap, I was thinking $80. Is there any way to tell the year on the Columbian? I've had it completely apart, down to the bare metal and didn't see any markings anywhere, not a single blemish on it past the surface stuff.

Edit: They do make a nice couple. I liked the color on the Columbian so I repainted my Wilton to match. I also added a before photo of the Columbian.

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OK, All these Vise threads encouraged me to try to get some pics of some of mine. Some in regular use, most holding the garage floor down. ;)

My main DP vise, and two small 1-1/2" Palmgrens I picked up but haven't cleaned up yet.

The big one is a Graham 6" Mill Vise, that in a former life was U.S.M.C issue.

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My Main Bench vise, a 4" Parker 974, and an oddball No-Name that I picked up as a curiosity. Believe it or not right after I got it I cleaned the Parker up adn painted it tool gray, but I've worked it pretty hard for 25 years or more...;

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My welding bench Vise, a 3" Lakeside V6, but it opens up to 5", which is often handy. Yes the (buried) welding bench is an old 50's craftsman 3 drawer roller with a 1/2" steel top. The vise has a ground strap running from a mounting bolt on the bottom to the steel plate, and I have a magnetic ground on the steel plate. The Lakeside was cleaned up and painted a few years ago;

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The Big iron: From left to right: a 6" Paramo #6, made in England, a 3-1/2” Morgan No 87, and my big 4-1/2" Parker, a 974-1/2;

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And Last (but not the last of my vises...) from L to R - A 3" clamp on Colombian, A 3" Stanley Clamp on, and an interesting small shop built vise: 2" jaws, and the mounting tabs are welded onto the base as is the main body holding the stationary jaw, to the swivel base. All nicely and generally finely machined. An apprentice project? Something built for a class? Its a sweet little vise, and I need to clean it up and paint it. It's perfect as a gunsmith, or model makers vise. All three are as found;

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I have a chance to snag this old made in england record 8" (I think it's a no. 8) for $50... I haven't seen any green ones on here so I'm curious if anyone has any input on if this is a good vise and maybe how old it is.
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I have a chance to snag this old made in england record 8" (I think it's a no. 8) for $50... I haven't seen any green ones on here so I'm curious if anyone has any input on if this is a good vise and maybe how old it is.
Thanks!

Would be a great deal at $50. Looke like a decent-sized piece of the static jaw is busted off.
 

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I have a chance to snag this old made in england record 8" (I think it's a no. 8) for $50... I haven't seen any green ones on here so I'm curious if anyone has any input on if this is a good vise and maybe how old it is.
Thanks!
That is definitely a Record Vice - it's just been painted green. "Record" and "No. 8" should be cast on the other side of what you see in the picture and I'm sure they are. A No. 8 does have 8" jaws. That's a fair question because although you would think a Record No. 4 would have 4" jaws they are in fact 4.5". A No. 3 has 4" jaws.

I bought a No. 8 in late 2010 for $75 and was happy at that price. New jaws are available from Acklands-Grainger for about $35. Records are excellent vices. You'll be very happy with it ... if you are OK with the missing "chunk".
 

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It will probably stay because I just can't let it go cheap, I was thinking $80. Is there any way to tell the year on the Columbian? I've had it completely apart, down to the bare metal and didn't see any markings anywhere, not a single blemish on it past the surface stuff.

Edit: They do make a nice couple. I liked the color on the Columbian so I repainted my Wilton to match. I also added a before photo of the Columbian.

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They DO make a nice couple! I don't believe Columbian dated their vises but according to how the lettering is, its not that old. 10 years maybe a little older
 

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They DO make a nice couple! I don't believe Columbian dated their vises but according to how the lettering is, its not that old. 10 years maybe a little older
Ah, OK, thanks. I didn't realize Columbian used T-Jaws that recently. Learn something new every day here.
 

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They DO make a nice couple! I don't believe Columbian dated their vises but according to how the lettering is, its not that old. 10 years maybe a little older

I dunno, my 504 1/2 has a date stamped into the body - 8/69. Unless that's not a date?
 

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OK, All these Vise threads encouraged me to try to get some pics of some of mine. Some in regular use, most holding the garage floor down. ;)

My main DP vise, and two small 1-1/2" Palmgrens I picked up but haven't cleaned up yet.

The big one is a Graham 6" Mill Vise, that in a former life was U.S.M.C issue.

My Main Bench vise, a 4" Parker 974, and an oddball No-Name that I picked up as a curiosity. Believe it or not right after I got it I cleaned the Parker up adn painted it tool gray, but I've worked it pretty hard for 25 years or more...;

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My welding bench Vise, a 3" Lakeside V6, but it opens up to 5", which is often handy. Yes the (buried) welding bench is an old 50's craftsman 3 drawer roller with a 1/2" steel top. The vise has a ground strap running from a mounting bolt on the bottom to the steel plate, and I have a magnetic ground on the steel plate. The Lakeside was cleaned up and painted a few years ago;

And Last (but not the last of my vises...) from L to R - A 3" clamp on Colombian, A 3" Stanley Clamp on, and an interesting small shop built vise: 2" jaws, and the mounting tabs are welded onto the base as is the main body holding the stationary jaw, to the swivel base. All nicely and generally finely machined. An apprentice project? Something built for a class? Its a sweet little vise, and I need to clean it up and paint it. It's perfect as a gunsmith, or model makers vise. All three are as found;

Thats a nice diversied collection you got going there!
 

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Outlaw - very nice working vises! You have about all the bases covered for anything that might come along and needed squeezed hard.
Craig
 
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Outlaw, how about a picture of that anvil?

The one behind the Drill Press? I'll see if I can pull that off. It's not that old, maybe 20-25 years? a McCoy, and I'm not sure but I think its CI not forged or anything good. It is my biggest one, and far better than the slug of 6" round bar stock I used for years...

Is there an Anvil thread here?
 

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Estate sales yielded 3 vises this weekend.
Printiss 192 swivel base with spring loaded locking pin and swiveling static jaw. Sweet!
A very clean 3 1/2 Columbian and another small clamp on vise.

Brian L.
 

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Estate sales yielded 3 vises this weekend.
Printiss 192 swivel base with spring loaded locking pin and swiveling static jaw. Sweet!
A very clean 3 1/2 Columbian and another small clamp on vise.

Brian L.

That Prentiss is SWEET! And not frozen up, and intact? Awesome score!

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Very nice Prentiss Brian! I think what you have might be a Model 19. That particular model would have 3 1/2" wide jaws...swivel base...and weigh about 32 pounds. Yours is the oldest of the swivel jaw generation with its logo on the main body tail and the Get Religion pull plunger. How easy is that plunger to lift up and swivel? If you tell me it is easy then I will hate you since mine requires prayer and a short prybar. You are a lucky lad with the jaw not rusted in place. Nice find and a slice of vise pie for showing it.
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Ah, OK, thanks. I didn't realize Columbian used T-Jaws that recently. Learn something new every day here.

I have a 505 that has T-jaws, I was also under the impression they were older than that.

Does anyone know what year they switched to the screw on type jaws?
 

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Craigslist pays off.I have been running a vise wanted ad on craigslist got a call yesterday and came home with a C3 ,it even came with custom paint and handle (bolt).The little vise on top is a 2 1/2 inch wilton.My wife caught me unloading it and asked me what the hell I was going to do with all those vises,I replied as honest as I could "I dont know".
 

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Very nice Prentiss Brian! I think what you have might be a Model 19. That particular model would have 3 1/2" wide jaws...swivel base...and weigh about 32 pounds. Yours is the oldest of the swivel jaw generation with its logo on the main body tail and the Get Religion pull plunger. How easy is that plunger to lift up and swivel? If you tell me it is easy then I will hate you since mine requires prayer and a short prybar. You are a lucky lad with the jaw not rusted in place. Nice find and a slice of vise pie for showing it.
Craig

Correct, a wire brush shows the model as 19 1/2 (why the 1/2?).
I saw a guy pull the jaw swivel pin out at an estate sale and couldn’t get there fast enough to claim that bad boy! The base swivel pin was loose already, I think. I popped it with a chisel and realized it was moving back and forth. Not easy to pull when the base is not bolted down, but definitely not stuck. The jaws are 4" and are OK.
Can you put a date on this model? 50s - 60s ? or earlier? Thanks!

Brian L.
 
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Outlaw, how about a picture of that anvil?

I posted some pics here:

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1711988#post1711988

Also found 3 more vises; I had 2 pipe vises, my dads old small "hinged" and bench mount pipe vise, and a rigid chain pipe vise.

I also forgot the small Millers Falls 2-1/2" No 18 I picked up and gave to my son for his modeling. It's missing a base and that is another unfinished project. It should be an easy job. A bit of 7/8" bolt shank for a "post" a groove cut in it for the "clamp/retainer" screw, and a plate to bolt it to the bench. Might make that so it will clamp on or screw down to a bench/table top. Here it is sitting on top of my old Parker.

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Well, add me to the aspiring vise addicts. Picked up this old A.M. Co 4" vise from an estate sale. Says #91 made in Athol Mass; anybody know how old this is? A little rusty, but for $15 I'm pretty happy.
 

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Brian - your 19 1/2 is the same as mine then. 4" jaws and the plunger from Hades. Prentiss and Parker had some of the craziest numberings that you can imagine. Prentiss swivel jaws go like this:
19 - 3 1/2"
19 1/2 - 4"
20 - 4 1/2"
21 - 5 1/4"
22 - 6"
23 - 7"
So...there you are. LOL I did a thread on refreshing a Prentiss like yours so you might want to do a search for it and check the photos. They may help you see what lies ahead. Your Prentiss was probably made around 1920 or so. By 1926 they had started changing the swivel lock to the lever type.

mazak - Graz there fellow! That is a great Reed and a wonderful find. Thor uses a Reed 3C and so can you now. Big slice of vise pie for you (big slice because Reed 3C is worth it)
Craig
 

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Goldhawg - AM = Athol Machine and Foundry.....I believe that they were later bought out by Starrett. The famous thing about Athol is the support lug under the dynamic jaw. It is huge compared to other vises. An Athol is a really overbuilt vise and are a thing of joy to find in nice condition. Yours is quite old since Athol got bought out very early in the last century so figure 90 -100 years old.
Craig
 

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Mazak Mark;

Thats a hell of a score, that C3 will handle anything you can throw at it. Looks great holding the baby bullet too! I guess you are ready to sell that Hollands now right? lol

-Dane
 

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And another Vise I missed: a Post style clamp on. George is there to prived a sense of scale.... 1-1/4" jaws.

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Catalyze

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Here is a great vise from my favorite company: Prentiss
This one is a late model 265 Bulldog 5" survivor. It is one the last out of Meriden, Ct. Of course we all know that to be the home of Charles Parker vises. Let the conspiracy begin!
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Now I am all for safety and believe that it is Job 1. However, I also feel that shining up the metal bits provides reflectivity and therefore Safety also.
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