The VISES of Garage Journal
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flashman
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So what did it take to get it out?
I vote electrolysis, then light wire brushing.
I tried your chalk trick, and I hadn't thought about filing the bottom until you mentioned it, I only did the top, sides and very back of the dynamic jaw. Once I filed the bottom of the back fairly well, it was smoother action and it took about two jiggles to get it out. Electrolysis will help with removing all the dirt as well, not just any rust? I am reading that it mainly is for rust.
Thanks for the help!
Outlawmws
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Yep mainly rust, but the electrolyte itself is a cleaning solution so a light amount of oil can be removed, but I prefer to get the worst of it off so the electrons have better access to the rust and paint. Unless paint is put on perfectly, paint generally comes off as well, or at least mostly. Bad repaint jobs generally come off in sheets...
Catalyze
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Glorious day!! Flashman got his slide out....Now you are ready for the fun part. If you have any questions...just post them up. Lots of us have photos of Reeds apart if you get stuck on anything.
I would definitely shelve the Prentiss. It's the only one that I have seen like that and is a great piece of history with the Lewis tie in.
Craig
I would definitely shelve the Prentiss. It's the only one that I have seen like that and is a great piece of history with the Lewis tie in.
Craig
flashman
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I am sure I will have lots of questions, but reading the thread will help. I have it in simple green and water to help with the grime, and after that I will get ready to put together an electrolysis bath. Any recommendations on paint? Rustoleum I have seen several people use, any other ideas?
Here are proof pictures that it is apart.
Now I have to wait a couple weeks to get the electrolysis together. Once done I will prime and paint immediately.
Here are proof pictures that it is apart.
Now I have to wait a couple weeks to get the electrolysis together. Once done I will prime and paint immediately.
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On the Prentiss, If I sideline this vise then I need to find another at least 4" vise to replace it in that shop. I have a very nice Reed 104 that sees a lot of use. I also have a Reed 204 in nice shape but it is missing the handle and screw. Actually the Prentiss was the replacement for the 204 when it started acting up. It turned out to have the wrong handle and screw.
Outlawmws
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I am sure I will have lots of questions, but reading the thread will help. I have it in simple green and water to help with the grime, and after that I will get ready to put together an electrolysis bath. Any recommendations on paint? Rustoleum I have seen several people use, any other ideas?
Here are proof pictures that it is apart.
Now I have to wait a couple weeks to get the electrolysis together. Once done I will prime and paint immediately.
What would be the hold up there? A 5 gallon bucket, some scrap steel, and a battery charger will do the trick.
flashman
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What would be the hold up there? A 5 gallon bucket, some scrap steel, and a battery charger will do the trick.
The battery charger. I only have a trickle charger. I just bought a handgun so that has caused my wife to tell me to not spend more money on stuff for now.
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Catalyze
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I just use a large cat sand bucket....3 pieces of rebar...a battery charger...and some Arm and Hammer laundry detergent. It takes about 10 minutes to set it all up then turn it on and go away until the next day.
Seasnarf - put your location in your signature thing....sometimes folks near you have a lead on a vise or have one to sell you for a good price.
Craig
Seasnarf - put your location in your signature thing....sometimes folks near you have a lead on a vise or have one to sell you for a good price.
Craig
flashman
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I read not to use a trickle charger though.
If I can, all I have to do is buy the washing soda/baking soda and get some rebar or some other metal.
bigcaddy
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I read not to use a trickle charger though.
If I can, all I have to do is buy the washing soda/baking soda and get some rebar or some other metal.
Just ask around on here and i'm sure someone will have a spare charger laying around from hitting garage sales. I bet they would be happy to loan/give it to you so you can finish your project.
I had to take one back and forth between work and home so i could work on my projects until a few months ago when i found a like new charger for a few bucks at a sale.
I've been shocking my Reed since yesterday afternoon and it should be ready for paint by tomorrow or early next week when i get some more time to work on it.
flashman
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Anyone have a loaner charger in Wichita Kansas?
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Lump
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I just returned from a brief visit with family members in New England...more specifically Western Massachusetts. I brought along my tools, so I could do many "honey-do" handy-man chores for my two nieces and sister-in-law who live there.
But since I was there ANYWAY, I decided to hit a few yard sales and a big flea market event. Massachusetts has always been a "honey-hole" for me, with respect to finding cool older USA-made or European made used tools. This time was no exception. I found two pretty cool older vises, among other things. Following are some pics:
First up, is a neat Chas Parker 824 vise. Jaws are not very wide, but it is a pretty darn big vise, in my opinion!
Following are some detail photos:
Here is a front view:
Now, this vise has "only" a 4 inch jaw width. But it still seems pretty large to me. Check out the following photos, comparing it side-by-side with a USA-made Craftsman-brand vise which has 5-1/2" jaws:
So, in MY opinion at least, this is a pretty cool old Parker vise. Now I must decide whether to keep this one, or the neat old Reed vise I found a year or two ago. But the vise which really made me smile during this recent trip actually had even a SMALLER jaw width, believe it or not!
I will follow up this post with another one, with photos of that 2nd Chas Parker vise which I found on my recent trip to Massachusetts. Stand by!
But since I was there ANYWAY, I decided to hit a few yard sales and a big flea market event. Massachusetts has always been a "honey-hole" for me, with respect to finding cool older USA-made or European made used tools. This time was no exception. I found two pretty cool older vises, among other things. Following are some pics:
First up, is a neat Chas Parker 824 vise. Jaws are not very wide, but it is a pretty darn big vise, in my opinion!
Following are some detail photos:
Here is a front view:
Now, this vise has "only" a 4 inch jaw width. But it still seems pretty large to me. Check out the following photos, comparing it side-by-side with a USA-made Craftsman-brand vise which has 5-1/2" jaws:
So, in MY opinion at least, this is a pretty cool old Parker vise. Now I must decide whether to keep this one, or the neat old Reed vise I found a year or two ago. But the vise which really made me smile during this recent trip actually had even a SMALLER jaw width, believe it or not!
I will follow up this post with another one, with photos of that 2nd Chas Parker vise which I found on my recent trip to Massachusetts. Stand by!
Outlawmws
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VERY nice score on the Parker 824 Lump! it is also near identical to my 974; even the patent date is the same!
Lump
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Ok, here are pix of my 2nd Chas Parker vise from my recent trip to Massachusetts...where big old USA-made vises seem to be pretty easy to find. 
(Ain't that right, Bull?) Chuckle...snort. 
Ok, ok, I'm just kidding you, old buddy!
ANYWAY...back at the ranch... Remember, THIS vise has even smaller jaw-width than the 824 vise I showed in the post above. But I have not seen another one like it in person, and I really, REALLY wanted it when I saw it sitting there for sale...even though it is a "small" vise, when you consider it by jaw-width.
To give you a hint about why this vise is special...did you ever wonder where the Asian mfr's might have gotten the idea for bench vises with jaws that rotate? Check out the following pix of my "new" Chas Parker 474 bench vise:
Yep! You're seeing TWO swivel-bolt adjusters on the side of this vise!
And this is why. It swivels easily when you loosen the bolt:
This Chas Parker vise is a "small one," when you consider its jaw width. The jaws are only 3-1/2" wide. But, check out the following photo comparing it with the 5-1/2 jaw-width USA-made Craftsman vise:
Following is a view of the back end:
On the top, it still wears an old brass "property-of" tag, riveted to the housing. I might end up just leaving that tag right where it is:
I have not yet tried to clean either vise. I just drove in from a long 750-mile trip home, and I'm headed for bed.
G'nite, gang!
(Ain't that right, Bull?) Chuckle...snort. Ok, ok, I'm just kidding you, old buddy! ANYWAY...back at the ranch... Remember, THIS vise has even smaller jaw-width than the 824 vise I showed in the post above. But I have not seen another one like it in person, and I really, REALLY wanted it when I saw it sitting there for sale...even though it is a "small" vise, when you consider it by jaw-width.
To give you a hint about why this vise is special...did you ever wonder where the Asian mfr's might have gotten the idea for bench vises with jaws that rotate? Check out the following pix of my "new" Chas Parker 474 bench vise:
Yep! You're seeing TWO swivel-bolt adjusters on the side of this vise!
And this is why. It swivels easily when you loosen the bolt:
This Chas Parker vise is a "small one," when you consider its jaw width. The jaws are only 3-1/2" wide. But, check out the following photo comparing it with the 5-1/2 jaw-width USA-made Craftsman vise:
Following is a view of the back end:
On the top, it still wears an old brass "property-of" tag, riveted to the housing. I might end up just leaving that tag right where it is:
I have not yet tried to clean either vise. I just drove in from a long 750-mile trip home, and I'm headed for bed.
G'nite, gang!
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Hey fellas, I need some serious help with jaw screws on a 3" Wilton bullet. Please see my thread here and if you can help that would be super appreciated.
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2440043#post2440042
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2440043#post2440042
phy6
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Ok, here are pix of my 2nd Chas Parker vise from my recent trip to Massachusetts...where big old USA-made vises seem to be pretty easy to find.
ANYWAY...back at the ranch... Remember, THIS vise has even smaller jaw-width than the 824 vise I showed in the post above. But I have not seen another one like it in person, and I really, REALLY wanted it when I saw it sitting there for sale...even though it is a "small" vise, when you consider it by jaw-width.
To give you a hint about why this vise is special...did you ever wonder where the Asian mfr's might have gotten the idea for bench vises with jaws that rotate? Check out the following pix of my "new" Chas Parker 474 bench vise:
Yep! You're seeing TWO swivel-bolt adjusters on the side of this vise!
And this is why. It swivels easily when you loosen the bolt:
This Chas Parker vise is a "small one," when you consider its jaw width. The jaws are only 3-1/2" wide. But, check out the following photo comparing it with the 5-1/2 jaw-width USA-made Craftsman vise:
Following is a view of the back end:
On the top, it still wears an old brass "property-of" tag, riveted to the housing. I might end up just leaving that tag right where it is:
I have not yet tried to clean either vise. I just drove in from a long 750-mile trip home, and I'm headed for bed.
G'nite, gang!
Awesome! I love that kind! Great scores. I need to take a trip to Mass!
blasto9000
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Here's mine... one of an identical pair I got off eBay last year. I was wondering why they went for only $80, not noticing the "local pickup only" until it was too late...
Lump
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Nice, Blasto. So... you are located in LA, right? Where did you have to go to get these two vises?
Inquiring minds want to know! LOL
Inquiring minds want to know! LOL
blasto9000
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Nice, Blasto. So... you are located in LA, right? Where did you have to go to get these two vises?
Inquiring minds want to know! LOL
LOL! They were located in Sunnyvale, California. "San Francisco adjacent." The seller was a university that was (closing down? relocating?) the student machine shop to make way for a... PARKING LOT. 700 miles round trip, but I was unemployed at the time so it was no big deal. A good excuse to get on the ham radio for some rag-chewing during the drive!
By the way, the paint job is an original artifact from the student machine shop. I don't think they were used much. Not even a nick or any scratches on them to speak of.
Lump
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Hello again, Even11! Wait till you see the REST of the junk I've bought lately. LOL.
And, you know what? In about two weeks I will be on the 650-mile-long State Route 127 Yard Sale...which is normally my biggest "haul" of each year. Wish me luck!
And, you know what? In about two weeks I will be on the 650-mile-long State Route 127 Yard Sale...which is normally my biggest "haul" of each year. Wish me luck!
ZRX61
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Wanna sell the other one?
Outlawmws
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Ok, here are pix of my 2nd Chas Parker vise from my recent trip to Massachusetts...where big old USA-made vises seem to be pretty easy to find.
ANYWAY...back at the ranch... Remember, THIS vise has even smaller jaw-width than the 824 vise I showed in the post above. But I have not seen another one like it in person, and I really, REALLY wanted it when I saw it sitting there for sale...even though it is a "small" vise, when you consider it by jaw-width.
To give you a hint about why this vise is special...did you ever wonder where the Asian mfr's might have gotten the idea for bench vises with jaws that rotate? Check out the following pix of my "new" Chas Parker 474 bench vise:
Yep! You're seeing TWO swivel-bolt adjusters on the side of this vise!
And this is why. It swivels easily when you loosen the bolt:
I have not yet tried to clean either vise. I just drove in from a long 750-mile trip home, and I'm headed for bed.
G'nite, gang!
Lump, have I told you lately how badly you really, REALLY, ****?
Bravo! and I'm SO jealous of that second Parker!Catalyze
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Blasto - nice catch on the pair. Funny thing is that I have the Ebay photos in a folder. The company selling them disposes of a lot of California school property and they are always a Pickup deal. I think that those are Parker Model 674 or 674 1/2 vises. They are a sheet metal/wood type of vise. Very nice condition too. Grats!
Lump - You want me to make you puff up even bigger than you are now looking at those 2 Parkers? That Parker Model 824 is The Best of the Parker breed. Parker used to make 2 distinct lines of machinist vises. One is the Superior line (yours) and one is the Eclipse line. Look at the rear of your main body....see how it is straight up and down? Now look at an Eclipse line vise. It is about half the length and then it tapers down at the bottom. Look at the very back of the body on this Eclipse Parker.
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See the taper and how short it is just above The Charles Parker logo? Yours is a full 2" longer and straight. That is all metal Buddy and here are the weights to prove it.
Model 824 weight: 85 pounds
Model 974 weight: 59 pounds
Both are the same type of Parker....just the two different lines. The Superior line started with the old model numbers like 259X ....279X...etc. The Eclipse line started with 204....and became the 974 we all know. Keep that 824 or sell it to me....it's the true Grizzly that Parker always claimed to have. There....now I am off my soapbox. That's more than you ever wanted to know about Parker....LOL
Craig
Lump - You want me to make you puff up even bigger than you are now looking at those 2 Parkers? That Parker Model 824 is The Best of the Parker breed. Parker used to make 2 distinct lines of machinist vises. One is the Superior line (yours) and one is the Eclipse line. Look at the rear of your main body....see how it is straight up and down? Now look at an Eclipse line vise. It is about half the length and then it tapers down at the bottom. Look at the very back of the body on this Eclipse Parker.
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See the taper and how short it is just above The Charles Parker logo? Yours is a full 2" longer and straight. That is all metal Buddy and here are the weights to prove it.
Model 824 weight: 85 pounds
Model 974 weight: 59 pounds
Both are the same type of Parker....just the two different lines. The Superior line started with the old model numbers like 259X ....279X...etc. The Eclipse line started with 204....and became the 974 we all know. Keep that 824 or sell it to me....it's the true Grizzly that Parker always claimed to have. There....now I am off my soapbox. That's more than you ever wanted to know about Parker....LOL
Craig
zoomieport
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You ****...
blasto9000
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LOL, actually, the reason why I picked up those vises in the first place was because of this thread! I was seriously drooling over peoples' finds at the estate sales, the hand-me-downs, and so on. This thread kicked my vise shopping into high gear. By the time I picked up the Parkers I'd already acquired an FPU in great condition, a huge Columbia, and a smaller Prentiss Bulldog.
LOL, actually, the reason why I picked up those vises in the first place was because of this thread! I was seriously drooling over peoples' finds at the estate sales, the hand-me-downs, and so on. This thread kicked my vise shopping into high gear. By the time I picked up the Parkers I'd already acquired an FPU in great condition, a huge Columbia, and a smaller Prentiss Bulldog.
BTW, my Parker is a 674 1/2, and yes the broker was Interschola (via eBay). The day I showed up to the machine shop to get it there were at least 20 other people there picking up other bits and pieces. Good eye.
Lump
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Catalyze,
WOW, I had no idea there were two different "lines" of Parker vises! That is fascinating info...thanks SO much!
You know, you'll laugh at this...but I was initially interested only in that 474 swiveling vise, because I had never seen one before. But he wouldn't budge on his price. And I did like the appearance and condition of the 824, so I asked if he would give me a package deal if I bought the pair, and that offer finally got a price I could live with.
bczygan
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I have no need for a wood vise, but this seems like a decent price for what looks like a vintage Wilton wood vise? Are the Wilton wood vises of similar quality to the Wilton mechanic or combo vises?
http://images.craigslist.org/5L45H35Md3Gf3L23F8c6db14560f50d1a10f0.jpg
Wilton 7" Vise - $40 (Broomfield, Colorado)
We have 2-Wilton 7" Vises at $50 each
Heavy Duty Steel in great condition
Wilton 7" Vise - $40 (Broomfield, Colorado)
We have 2-Wilton 7" Vises at $50 each
Heavy Duty Steel in great condition
phy6
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I have no need for a wood vise, but this seems like a decent price for what looks like a vintage Wilton wood vise? Are the Wilton wood vises of similar quality to the Wilton mechanic or combo vises?
http://images.craigslist.org/5L45H35Md3Gf3L23F8c6db14560f50d1a10f0.jpg
Wilton 7" Vise - $40 (Broomfield, Colorado)
We have 2-Wilton 7" Vises at $50 each
Heavy Duty Steel in great condition
Looks Cool! I would get them if they were local to me. A matching pair is a neat thing to have.
Wood vises fitted with sacrificial wood or aluminum plate are surprisingly handy to have because of the width of the jaws. It's especially nice that they kind of disappear under your bench when not in use.
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Lump
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AWESOME, BCZYGAN! Thanks so much.
I wonder how old this thing is? Anyone have any guesses?
Catalyze
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Lump my young Jedi (everyone is younger than me it seems), that vise is probably from about 1940 to whenever they quit making them. I can vouch that they were still making that model in 1946. Best I can do....I usually lie better but it takes me more time.
Craig
Craig
demographic
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I have no need for a wood vise, but this seems like a decent price for what looks like a vintage Wilton wood vise? Are the Wilton wood vises of similar quality to the Wilton mechanic or combo vises?
http://images.craigslist.org/5L45H35Md3Gf3L23F8c6db14560f50d1a10f0.jpg
Wilton 7" Vise - $40 (Broomfield, Colorado)
We have 2-Wilton 7" Vises at $50 each
Heavy Duty Steel in great condition
Ones like (woodworking with a pop up dog) that are pretty handy actually, plus the pop up dog is handy to clamp things across the bench top.
Not sure about Wiltons as we don't really see them over in the UK, but they are a reputable manufacturer.
Hello vise nuts, I am a newbie here.
A few weeks ago, I picked up a vise I hadn't heard of, and found this site, while trying to research it. It took me a couple weeks to get through this thread, and I only saw one Fulton Machine & Vise Co. Lowville NY picture, back on page 132 post 2635. Here is a picture of the vise, and some of the info I have found so far. While searching, I found in the 1/26/1922 American Machinist, a vice similar to Lumps Parker 474. I couldn't copy it, so I took a picture.
I forgot to mention, it is a 5" and #70.
One such product was from *Fulton Machine and Vise Company* on Trinity Avenue . In 1917, with 65 employees, it produced 100 vises a day for contracts with the American and French governments.
Edwin W. Fulton attended the Carthage public schools, and as a young man learned the trade of machinist with Ryther & Pringle. He was connected with their foundries for a period of seven years and in 1896 entered the employ of Bagley & Sewall, manufacturers of paper machinery, at Watertown. In June, 1905, Mr. Fulton went to Lowville, N. Y., and organized. the Fulton Machine & Vise Company, buying out the interests of Lafayette Wetmore. The entire plant was destroyed by fire in May, 1907, with a loss of $22,000, but was soon rebuilt, business being resumed in October of the same year. At that time the capital was increased from $30,000 to $50,000, and Mr. Fulton continued there until 1924, at which time he disposed of the business and came to Oswego with the Oswego Tool Company as manager. In August, 1930, a new corporation was formed and known as the International Nutyp Tool Corporation, with Mr. Fulton as president and general manager.
A few weeks ago, I picked up a vise I hadn't heard of, and found this site, while trying to research it. It took me a couple weeks to get through this thread, and I only saw one Fulton Machine & Vise Co. Lowville NY picture, back on page 132 post 2635. Here is a picture of the vise, and some of the info I have found so far. While searching, I found in the 1/26/1922 American Machinist, a vice similar to Lumps Parker 474. I couldn't copy it, so I took a picture.
I forgot to mention, it is a 5" and #70.
One such product was from *Fulton Machine and Vise Company* on Trinity Avenue . In 1917, with 65 employees, it produced 100 vises a day for contracts with the American and French governments.
Edwin W. Fulton attended the Carthage public schools, and as a young man learned the trade of machinist with Ryther & Pringle. He was connected with their foundries for a period of seven years and in 1896 entered the employ of Bagley & Sewall, manufacturers of paper machinery, at Watertown. In June, 1905, Mr. Fulton went to Lowville, N. Y., and organized. the Fulton Machine & Vise Company, buying out the interests of Lafayette Wetmore. The entire plant was destroyed by fire in May, 1907, with a loss of $22,000, but was soon rebuilt, business being resumed in October of the same year. At that time the capital was increased from $30,000 to $50,000, and Mr. Fulton continued there until 1924, at which time he disposed of the business and came to Oswego with the Oswego Tool Company as manager. In August, 1930, a new corporation was formed and known as the International Nutyp Tool Corporation, with Mr. Fulton as president and general manager.
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demographic
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Good first post, welcome in.
SHOOTIST357
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My morning coffee, a good breakfast, and a new YOST
I just couldn't pass this one up, especially for $40... Looks like it just sat for most of its life. Jaws look like new, and I'd guess that is the original paint. Based on my limited Yost knowledge, this may be an older 204? (4" and swivel). Weight is 52 lbs -- I think this one may just get a good degreasing, lube it up, and use it.
SHOOT
I just couldn't pass this one up, especially for $40... Looks like it just sat for most of its life. Jaws look like new, and I'd guess that is the original paint. Based on my limited Yost knowledge, this may be an older 204? (4" and swivel). Weight is 52 lbs -- I think this one may just get a good degreasing, lube it up, and use it.
SHOOT