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Outlawmws

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@ 160 YO puts it into the 1850's so I'll say I don't think so without something to substantiate it. Also many black smiths right up to the early 1900's made there own vise (forged) as a point of pride. that may be a one off, and NOT a manufactured vise, which would easily explain the wedge and pin.

Over 100 yo? I would not doubt that, but 160 seems to me to a an arbitrary number.

Nice vise BTW! how heavy is it and what weight?

(I build my heavy work bench tops the same way, upright 2X4's laminated together.)
 
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@ 160 YO puts it into the 1850's so I'll say I don't think so without something to substantiate it. Also many black smiths right up to the early 1900's made there own vise (forged) as a point of pride. that may be a one off, and NOT a manufactured vise, which would easily explain the wedge and pin.

Over 100 yo? I would not doubt that, but 160 seems to me to a an arbitrary number.

Nice vise BTW! how heavy is it and what weight?

(I build my heavy work bench tops the same way, upright 2X4's laminated together.)

I kindly disagree on your assessment of that vice. Most black smiths will agree with me. That vise using a pin and wedge puts it in the 1840's more then likely. 99% of all blacksmith vises have bolts and nuts for the pivot arm after 1850. And 160 years isnt really that old for a blacksmith vise. There are a lot out there over 200 years old.
 

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Went out shopping today and was able to drag home an Erie Tool Works vise this morning. Not a bad looking little vise and i noticed, after i got home, that the original decal on the dynamic jaw.

I don't think it was used much either. The pipe jaw inserts were present, as well as the hardee cutter insert on the anvil area. The jaw inserts have little to no damage on them. I dont know if i should clean it up or sell it as is. If i don't, it will be the first that i have not touched in a long time.



Craig,

Just to prove that that palmgren was mine, i took this picture especially for you.
 

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This vise was given to me well used, by an elderly neighbor in 1968. It has served me well through the years. I just quickly spray painted it to keep if from rusting here in Florida until I can repaint it properly. I also have an early 4" Wilton but won't have a picture of it until next month when I return to Ohio after wintering in Florida.
 

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mcmlvif100

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Craig, I'll have to hold on to this vise until after your move. Finished making the new jaws for this Prentiss # 20 and will add these to my Jaw Web site. The Vise is yours after your move if you still want it.

Wanted to let the members know that I set up a discount for 10% on all jaw orders just put GJ in the discount box during checkout. Kevin

https://wiltonviseparts.net

KMScott

Have you ever considered making replacement swivel jaw lock pins? I have the same Prentiss 20 vise but the lock pin is trashed. Would love to be able to buy a replacement pin, especially after owning a set of your Wilton 9450 jaws.

Jeff
 
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Jeff
Well I have a pattern from Craigs vise and will make a drawing of it. I have seen some with a spring attached and could not figure out why that was. Autopts had a picture of a #21 with the spring attached. Any thoughts are appreciated. I am just starting on the Prentiss line and gathering up information on the jaws but will let you know if I can sneak in a pin for you vise Jeff.

Kevin
 

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My vise is the same as Craig's but needs a lot more work before it looks that good. I am sure that the pin was the same as shown in this picture but it is way past salvaging. BTW, I downloaded and saved your Prentiss 20 pictures for future reference. I hope you don't mind.

Jeff
 

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. BTW, I downloaded and saved your Prentiss 20 pictures for future reference. I hope you don't mind.

Jeff

Heck no, i have plenty more. I traded this vise for a welding table 10 years ago and dug it up a couple of months ago. I hooked up with Craig because he collects them. Craig is going to help me with several patterns for jaws and also help me with the model numbers. He does not have this early #20 model. My biggest problem is having a pattern in my hand to create a drawing and have some one fit the new jaws. Let me know in a PM if you want more pictures. I am glad the 9450 jaws are holding up for you.

Kevin
 

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Heck no, i have plenty more. I traded this vise for a welding table 10 years ago and dug it up a couple of months ago. I hooked up with Craig because he collects them. Craig is going to help me with several patterns for jaws and also help me with the model numbers. He does not have this early #20 model. My biggest problem is having a pattern in my hand to create a drawing and have some one fit the new jaws. Let me know in a PM if you want more pictures. I am glad the 9450 jaws are holding up for you.

Kevin

I'm sure it would not be profitable for you because of low numbers but I have these two I could give you measurements and pics of.

2"
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Thanks Whowhatnow, I am going to save your images and get back to you after I get my package of jaws from Craig. I do not know if there is a market for Prentiss jaws but I am no different then vise collectors, it is just that I collect jaws, and jaw designs and have the ability and machines to build them. 2" and 1-3/4. is this the width of your jaws.

Oh I forgot to mention those are nice vises.

Kevin
 

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New addition, Wilton 400n via Craigslist, wish I could find a 600 or 800 locally but of well
 

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Hey Scott I would for sure be interested in a pair of prentiss vise jaws my 5incher is for sure do for a set.
 

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I got up extra early today so i could get my hands on this guy. Too bad i missed a second one in another part of the workshop but i know who has it and ill just buy it from him.

Athol 614 1/2 with a stationary base
 

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I got up extra early today so i could get my hands on this guy. Too bad i missed a second one in another part of the workshop but i know who has it and ill just buy it from him.

Athol 614 1/2 with a stationary base


Great find, I have one of the exact same vise (and its swivel base brother, the 624 1/2). Definitely worth getting up early for an Athol, any day of the week. :thumbup:
 
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greenlizard

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Today's find. Looks like some idiot continued to use this one even after the fixed side jaw face was lost. The shelf that the jaw sits on is broken off. I don't think that will affect function though, since the jaw is retained by bolts anyway.
I think this is a Wilton #2 Model 111055 with 4" jaws. Can anyone confirm that or correct me?

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Sure looks like a late model rectangular slide Wilton to me...

Some people should not be allowed to touch tools... I don't understand how people ruin these things with such proficiency.
 
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Mark in Indiana

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Hello Vise Friends,

I came across this little fellow today. Does anyone know who made it, or any other information about it?

Thanks in advance.
 

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KesterHouse

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Hi ho,

After finishing up that possible Parker 40 a few weeks ago, I turned my attention to a pair of Athol Machine Co. units my brother sent me late last year.

Here's what they looked like when I got them:
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They went in the electrolysis tank first to get everything moving, then after a few days I went over them with the wire wheel started working on painting and polishing. I also had to work out a mounting method, since the base is slotted for some manner of captive bolt set-up. I decided to use carriage style bolts, although the heads needed to be ground to a bit smaller diameter to ensure the square shoulder would engage the slot properly. For each unit I did 2 pairs of bolts: 1 short pair for going through machine tables (drill press, etc.) and another long pair for use with thick wooden benches.

Here's the No. 70 ready for re-assembly:
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And here's the No 71:
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You may notice on the 71 that a previous owner appears to have ground off the shoulder of the lead screw with the groove to engage the handle retaining pin, and replaced it with a new groove inside the static jaw and a snap ring. No idea why they went through that trouble (perhaps they couldn't remove the old broken pin?), but the new system seems to work fine. There was some slop in the handle because of the new snap-ring, but I inserted a couple shims between the ring and jaw during re-assembly and now it's all good.

Here's the pair of finished vises:
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They were re-finished with Rust-oleum Gloss Dark Grey followed by a couple coats of Clear, while the lead screw, sliders and jaws were polished and hit with a couple coats of wax.

The No. 70 is 12" long with 2-7/8" wide jaws, and the No. 71 is 14" long with 3-5/8" wide jaws:
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I'm keeping the No. 70 for use with the drill press, and the No. 71 is going back to my brother for use in his motorcycle shop.
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I'd love to know more about when these things were manufactured, and what their original purpose was, if anyone has an old catalog or advertisement.

Thanks for looking and enjoy!
-JeffK
 

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Sure looks like a late model rectangular slide Wilton to me...

Some people should not be allowed to touch tools... I don't understand how people ruin these things with such proficiency.

Thanks for the info.

I'd bet money that the bozo that broke the vise did not actually own the vise. It seems a lot easier to destroy things that just appear magically, with no cash outlay.
 

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Just finished up this simplex i got off zoomieport..
 

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here are the pix.. anyone recognize it? i can read USA but the rest i'm not getting.
 

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TreePointer

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I rotated and magnified the last picture and it says:

HOLLANDS
ERIE, PA
USA

24

So it's a Hollands! I'm 98% sure that says "24"

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good job! i tried that and it still wasn't readable for me, you must have a better program! in case the link doesn't show up i posted (earlier)
this is on CL detroit...75$
 

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I rotated and magnified the last picture and it says:

HOLLANDS
ERIE, PA
USA

24

So it's a Hollands! I'm 98% sure that says "24"

Agree with TreePointer. Had done the same thing and was posting a reply when I saw his response. A Hollands no. 24 vise should have a swivel base (which it does) and 4" jaws which can't be confirmed from the available photos. Checked my Hollands 14 and the manufacturer lettering is exactly the same as in the CL photographs.

good job! i tried that and it still wasn't readable for me, you must have a better program! in case the link doesn't show up i posted (earlier)
this is on CL detroit...75$

The CL link did not show up. Price seems a little high. Bought the referenced Hollands 14 off of local CL for $5 and I think it's in better condition.
 

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good job! i tried that and it still wasn't readable for me, you must have a better program! in case the link doesn't show up i posted (earlier)
this is on CL detroit...75$

Awesome, just what you need when you visit jolly old Detroit. Something super heavy to weigh you down as you are being shot at for showing your face in that city.

If you are going to pick it up, make sure you have a few grenades for the trip:lol:
 

Mark in Indiana

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Hello again friends,

I picked up this American Scale #75H (pictured below) yesterday. It weighs 60 lbs., has 3.5" jaws, has a jaw depth of 3.5", swivel base and a pivoting stationary jaw. The movement is smooth and straight. The only issues are the surface rust and the jaw pin is stuck. Since I love to research the history of my vintage toys, can anyone answer the following questions?:

1. I know vise price is around $1.00 per lb. However, I felt that the pivoting jaw made it worth more. Do you guys think that $100.00 was too much for it?

2. How old is it?

3. Does anyone have any information about the American Scale Co.?

Thanks in advance.
 

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That American Scale looks to be in good shape. I like it and I would not regret 100 bucks on it. IDK much else about them..sorry.
 

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I picked up this little vise today on Craigslist for $20. It's not huge, but I think I got a decent deal on it.

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Not really... found the pic over at practicalmachinist.com It's an 18th century vise that's currently on display at the Conservatorie National des Arts & Metiers in Paris
 
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