marlinspike
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That said I think the new Stahlwille 512QR N is the best.
Gedore ratchets? Are they Good
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That said I think the new Stahlwille 512QR N is the best.
shoturtle
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They are pretty much the same quality and level. But are good 60T ratchets. But the stahlwille at a quick glance one might think it was a US design ratchet.
calm down
I'm too much chatty.
I want this one.
Elora is nice too.
marlinspike
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The values that the manufacturers declare are not always the maximum that their tools can withstand. Because does not matter only the highest strength but also how many times this power can be applied.
These values have a safety factor.
These values have a safety factor.
nowlan
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I was looking at Stahlwille catalog today.
512QR is reversible, 36 teeth, with QuickRelease safety lock.
Fine teeth seems to be 60t. I wonder when I see US brands using 80+.
Also notice a lot of their ratchets missing quick release. Is optional?
Also a lot of 3/8 sets using bi-hex sockets, which I understand are bad.
Unless its just www.werkzeuggigant.com discounting them.
512QR is reversible, 36 teeth, with QuickRelease safety lock.
Fine teeth seems to be 60t. I wonder when I see US brands using 80+.
Also notice a lot of their ratchets missing quick release. Is optional?
Also a lot of 3/8 sets using bi-hex sockets, which I understand are bad.
Unless its just www.werkzeuggigant.com discounting them.
The three big German manufactures, stahl, Hazet and Gedore, the Good, the bad and the Unlgy of Europe are the Audi, Bmw and Mercedes. Pick one! Which one is better? Facom was the beauty of Europe but now competes her Asians girlfriends.
And then we can't compare these three with the American because the target is different.
And we wont compare them with the Chinese distributors because all wants tools from Germany, Italy, France and America and none from China.
Well, the target is different...yes...specially when you read the Gedore statement about the gedore handtools...they call themselve "premium" and Carolos "mid-class", that is arrogant ******** which you can find in europe everywhere!
Let me explain what I mean, you say the target is different....sure...but the purpose is the same! The tech knows it better what kind of tool he needs! When an institution or organization regulate what you have to use...then it called dictatorship. You mentioned correctly, in greece you get supplied with the stuff, often by a non pro.
In USA they take your guns now...in europe they took our tools...north korea...here we come.
marlinspike
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512QR N is the new one, 60 teeth. Hazet has 72 teeth, and Gedore has some but doesn't consider them part of the primary line. Not all teeth are created equal. My 60 tooth Stahlwille 3/8" and Gedore 1/2" are a lot tighter than the Chinese tools with more teeth in local stores.
Who told you bi-hex are bad?
The carolus is used by Gedore to sell cheap tools. The tools are good enough and very decent. And couldn't be different. Gedore has a reputation and since he puts his name before Carolus (Gedore Carolus) he can't sells craps. Also the Carolus has a lower price because they produced in china and Taiwan. Can't claim that they are top since they aren't and off course he can't claim that something which has the 1/3 of the price has the same quality.
Sure you are right, the purpose is the same and the tech knows better what is the best. So If there aren't the right tools he can request them.
If not given, he can walk away and work to another. It's a employer-employee relationship, not a dictatorship. Τhe employer have to provide all necessary tools to the employee but does not prohibit the use of his own tool (unless they are dangerous since he is responsible for him). In that environment all the tools are top. Non pro tools, usually is used by the small workshops which don't employ workers. Large companies can not risk to pay for accident at work because of a cheap, dangerous tool either to pay every now and then for broken tools.
But the tech also know which special tool is better, right?
Or the tech want to work in a large work bench, it's dictatorship to put him in a smaller?
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shoturtle
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shoturtle
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I know, I had one at work in the US.
not this ?
Monte this one is my next ratchet in 3/8 dr. So far I have only one from each size but I have convice my self that I defenately need one with swivel head.
It wasn't very difficult you know. 
But if I could have one american ratchet it will be the armstrong.
Bart Simpson
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You clearly don't know what your talking about.
Snap On claims the Dual 80's are " The smoothest , strongest ratchets on the planet ! "
And they mean it ....
The 250 Ft. Lbs was a minimum figure for 3/8" drive and they have a working torque of 280 Ft. Lbs.
The 1/2" drive has a working torque of 700 Ft. Lbs !
It has been shown numerous times that the drive lug can be completely sheared off and the internals are still holding strong.
The limiting factor is not the internal mechanism but the amount of torque that the drive lug can handle.
Nocturnal-G
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I'd love to see a ratchet test on which is the strongest out there...
Found a used Gedore this weekend. No. 3093Z. Couldn't resist picking it up. Bizarre dual pawl design:
I've seen a lot of ratchets, but nothing ever like this. The thing was nearly locked up when I found it, and it was caked with dirt, too. The drive end is reversible (can be pushed through or removed), so the gearing is stationary. 9 clicks per quarter turn, so it feels like a 36 tooth ratchet. Needless to say it got a thorough cleaning/lubing and now has a place in my box at home. I'm curious though, was this just a design gimmick to sell ratchets, or is the odd build (the drive coupler, the internals) made for a particular application?
Anyone? Here's the ratchet:
I've seen a lot of ratchets, but nothing ever like this. The thing was nearly locked up when I found it, and it was caked with dirt, too. The drive end is reversible (can be pushed through or removed), so the gearing is stationary. 9 clicks per quarter turn, so it feels like a 36 tooth ratchet. Needless to say it got a thorough cleaning/lubing and now has a place in my box at home. I'm curious though, was this just a design gimmick to sell ratchets, or is the odd build (the drive coupler, the internals) made for a particular application?
Anyone? Here's the ratchet:
marlinspike
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The head is super thin when compared to other ratchets. That's why I bought one anyway.
77thor
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I've got a set of Gedore combo wrenches and they were made in India.
Not my best wrenches, but they are OK for typical homeowner use.
Not my best wrenches, but they are OK for typical homeowner use.
Nice pics monte! 
Μy last acquirement.
3/4, 50 teeth.
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Impi
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Hi I have now used Gedore tools for the past 30 years and have been happy with the quality and service they have given me. My trusty 1/2 inch ratchet started slipping after 20 years of use. remembering Gedores life time warranty I thought WTH might as well try it out. I really didnt expect any thing as I felt that the tool had given me excellent service.
Gedore didnt repair the ratchet but they gave me a brand new one.
I think this company really stands by their products
BTW I am in South Africa where they also have a factory
Regards
Armand
Gedore didnt repair the ratchet but they gave me a brand new one.
I think this company really stands by their products
BTW I am in South Africa where they also have a factory
Regards
Armand
@Impi, very glad that I hear that.
Gedore doesn't have repair mechanism for their ratchets. If the mechanism doesn't work he warranty the entire ratchet. If the handle slipping trough the beam they change the whole ratchet with new one.
Some times I wondering, if the ratchet needs only a good clean to work properly, they will change it with new one?
If you want, post some pics from your ratchet here, or your gedore tools to the "tools from the old world" thread.
Gedore doesn't have repair mechanism for their ratchets. If the mechanism doesn't work he warranty the entire ratchet. If the handle slipping trough the beam they change the whole ratchet with new one.
Some times I wondering, if the ratchet needs only a good clean to work properly, they will change it with new one?
If you want, post some pics from your ratchet here, or your gedore tools to the "tools from the old world" thread.
billybudge
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I currently work in the tools industry and stock GEDORE, they are for the professional,
outstanding quality, Made in Germany, most carry lifetime guarantees etc, never known any of the hand tools to fail, ever,
Although they do not look pretty enough for my tool box, as I like fully polished, and the GEDORE range is satin finish,
If you want a tool that works , then this range is for you,
outstanding quality, Made in Germany, most carry lifetime guarantees etc, never known any of the hand tools to fail, ever,
Although they do not look pretty enough for my tool box, as I like fully polished, and the GEDORE range is satin finish,
If you want a tool that works , then this range is for you,
Krokodil
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I love my Gedore tools. Some made right here in RSA.
woody 73
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After reading some of the above I bet they make some nice tools, the only reason I stay away from gedore tools is because I bought a few of their wrenches in the 1980's and those suckers either bent or snapped at the drop of a hat so I gave them away.
Maybe I should give them another look if I ever see them at a swap meet.
Maybe I should give them another look if I ever see them at a swap meet.
That´s a normal ratchet
It seems that mechanism is robust and long lasting.
Reporting back: So I have way too many 3/8 ratchets, and I wanted to test out the Gedore I got last month that you commented on. I was disappointed to read GEDORE ONLY HAS A 1-YEAR WARRANTY? What the hell? Screw it, I got that ratchet cheap, so last weekend I put this ratchet [#3093Z] to the test. Chucked up a 10.9 grade bolt with a 19 mm head on it. Got it tight enough that I could stand on the ratchet, nearly all my weight (minus my hands keeping balance on my bench) on the ~8" handle which was extended nearly perfectly horizontally. I weigh about 175 lb. It held, no problem.
Were they made in India? You don't want those.
Ridwaan Gallow
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4 ratchets, all Gedore, all second hand, only 1 needs to be fixed.. very big Gedore fan..
Are they Good? I would put my ratchets up against Snap on anyday because my answer is yes.. they are good..
Are they Good? I would put my ratchets up against Snap on anyday because my answer is yes.. they are good..
I would say gedore(not india) is just as good as the truckbrands(or better)! Easily Gedore,stahlwille and hazet are top end tools and if I had the choice to get any brand I would choose gedore before all the truckbrands! Anytime.
Gedore,stahlwille and hazet are top end tools and if I had the choice to get any brand I would choose gedore before all the truckbrands! Anytime.I've got tools by Stahlwille, Knipex, Facom, Gransfors Bruk, SO and Hazet and the few recently made Gedore Group items I have are just as good. Here is the ****:
Bolt cutter
multi pliers
14mm screwdriver
ratchet wrench with reverse
klann ball joint splitter. I've seen Klann tools in use at a BMW factory
a variety of axes like these
video review from America
Beware fake car and aircraft parts, fake Nike and Salomon running shoes and it looks like fake Gedore sockets etc. coming out of China.
Bolt cutter
multi pliers
14mm screwdriver
ratchet wrench with reverse
klann ball joint splitter. I've seen Klann tools in use at a BMW factory
a variety of axes like these
video review from America
Beware fake car and aircraft parts, fake Nike and Salomon running shoes and it looks like fake Gedore sockets etc. coming out of China.
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