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T8 Fixtures - What have you bought?

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Lots of discussions on what fixtures to purchase.

Things I have recently learned:

If the fixture has an energy star approval, it must also meet FCC Class B requirements.

How much light you get out of a fixture is determined by a number of factors. One of them is ballast factor. Ballast factor is how much light do you get compared to a reference ballast and lamp.

Low Ballast : .75
Normal ballast. .87
High Ballast 1.2

Why this matters?

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Comparing T8 bulbs one with a reference ballast factor of 1 you will get 2950 lumens.

At a standard ballast factor of .88 per bulb you will get 2567 lumens (raw output).

With a low power ballast you get 2213 lumens.

With a high power ballast you get 3540 lumens.

A three bulb fixture with a low power ballast puts out less light than a two fixture with a high power ballast.

The problem is, no one seems to list what ballast they use or the ballast factor. That makes it hard to figure out how many lights you will need.

What might help, if you have a fixture that you have bought and you have some experience with list it as a reply. If you can list what ballast it came, cost and basic specs it will help everyone.

To keep this useful, try and stay on topic and keep the replies short.


Edit: I will add info as time allows. If possible, try and keep replies to what fixtures you have purchased and ballast model number. I have data for most ballasts, all I need is the model #. See the second post for suggested format.
 
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...ch_plp_rr-3-_-NA-_-202968125-_-N#.UpDCTtK-pxI[/QUOTE]

Four Bulb shop light from Home Depot.

http://keystoneballast.com/files/product_docs/KTEB-432RIS-1-TP_spec_sheet.pdf

Ballast it uses.

Cost: $49
Ballast Factor: .8
EMI: FCC Class B
Diffuser: None (bare bulb).
Reflector: Yes
Color: Silver
Bulbs: 4 - 32W T8's
Mounting: Hanging / Chain
Pull Chain On / Off?: Yes
Raw Lumens: 9440

Comments: Seems like a nicely built light, very wide light pattern. Ballast factor seems a little low.
 

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Lots of discussions on what fixtures to purchase.

Things I have recently learned:

If the fixture has an energy star approval, it must also meet FCC Class B requirements.

Now THAT I find quite interesting. And it could be very useful for folks trying to fit out their home garages. Can you point me to an authoritative reference for this tidbit? I'm not doubting your word; but the two things (energy efficiency and EMI/RFI) don't seem to be inherently related. More to the point, they're each the bailiwick of different government agencies (EPA vs FCC); and given the perpetual cluster f__k that is Washington DC, I'd normally assume such inter-agency coordination to be rather unlikely (or at least, unpredictable).

How much light you get out of a fixture is determined by a number of factors. One of them is ballast factor. Ballast factor is how much light do you get compared to a reference ballast and lamp.

Low Ballast : .75
Normal ballast. .87
High Ballast 1.2

The standard ISO "reference" ballast used to rate tubes has (by definition) a Ballast Factor of 1.00.

Why this matters?

A double bulb T8 fixture with a normal ballast factor of .88 will put out 2567 lumens ( raw output).

With a low power ballast you get 2213 lumens.

With a high power ballast you get 3540 lumens.

While I agree WRT the general principle, your numbers seem wildly "off". Are you perhaps referring to a single tube (which would be closer to your numbers, but still not quite "there")? Or maybe to a particular fixture after the photmetrics of that fixture are taken into account?

 
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Home Depot Double Bulb Shop light ( more info to follow)

Commercial Electric (recently discontinued).



Cost: $24.76
Ballast Factor: 1.18
EMI: FCC Class B
Diffuser: None (bare bulb).
Reflector: Yes
Color: White
Bulbs: 2 - 32W T8's
Mounting: Hanging / Chain
Pull Chain On / Off?: Yes
Raw Lumens 6962

Comments: Seems like a nicely built light, very wide light pattern. High Ballast factor.

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Home Depot Double Bulb Shop light ( more info to follow).


Cost: $24.95
Ballast Factor: 1.18
EMI: FCC Class B
Diffuser: None (bare bulb).
Reflector: Yes
Color: White
Bulbs: 2 - 32W T8's
Mounting: Hanging / Chain
Pull Chain On / Off?: Yes
Raw Lumens 6962

Comments: Seems like a nicely built light, very wide light pattern. High Ballast factor.

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what part# light is this?
thanks.
 

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Ill look what ballasts i have tomorrow. I'm running t-8 8ft with 4 4ft bulbs. I had my electrician get 16 fixtures for me from his supplier because he said the home depot ones have **** ballasts that have only been lasting a year or so.Fixture looks EXACTLY the same just different ballast.
 
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http://www.lowes.com/pd_163697-337-...entURL=?Ntt=fluorescent+wrap+light&facetInfo=
i just picked up one of these. its labeled residential, .65 amp. not sure if this is dedcent or not. there wasnt one on display in the store, but the price attracted me. not sure if i want to go buy a buggie full or not. they are a few bucks cheaper than the strip lights. not sure how the ballasts compare.

I have two of those at work, I attached a photo of the ballast.

Ballast factor .951
EMI: FCC Class B
Diffuser: Yes... (my take is very good over a work area)
Prismatic diffuser
Color: White
Bulbs: 2 - 32W T8's

2950 * .951 = 2850 per bulb, 5610 total ( assume 10% loss for the diffuser).
Crest factor = 1.57 ( good)
Lumens per watt = 65 (good)
Rated life: 10,000 hours (a bit low, great for a home shop)

Down side: Push up on the diffuser and move it to the side when accessing the bulbs or it cracks!

Decent light for the money. IMHO best used directly over a work area VS general lighting.
 

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touve 120-2g/32ec class p. i cant find anything on them.

I found it in the EPA certified sub-component database (see three post up for what I came up with). The data base lists 137 different ballasts, basically, its a giant Excel spread sheet that the EPA put together.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energystar.gov%2Fia%2Fproducts%2Fprod_lists%2Fcertified_subcomponent_database.xls&ei=H2mXUqv1H5ffoATA3YKIBA&usg=AFQjCNGUL2NFLCU8qmpDvPCQAPD9oHzfjQ&sig2=pJzb-dz7v8icCgokDDPszQ
 
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Dang. .951 ballast factor! Lights are ugly but im going t buy a handful of them and run without the covers.
 

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I have used lighting fixtures from American Fluorescent from Menards Home Improvement Centers. These fixtures are a tandem 4' fixture in a 8' long housing that uses T8 tubes with a 0* cold start ballast in them. at $40 each they provide excellent lighting in my 50 by 60 ft by 14 ft high ceilings. If I need replacement bulbs... the Mrs. can just bring them home in her trunk.They are an American Made fixture
 
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I have used lighting fixtures from American Fluorescent from Menards Home Improvement Centers. These fixtures are a tandem 4' fixture in a 8' long housing that uses T8 tubes with a 0* cold start ballast in them. at $40 each they provide excellent lighting in my 50 by 60 ft by 14 ft high ceilings. If I need replacement bulbs... the Mrs. can just bring them home in her trunk.They are an American Made fixture

http://www.menards.com/main/lighting-fans/indoor-lights/fluorescent/96-tandem-t8-fluorescent-strip/p-1385175-c-7495.htm

This fixture (ST240-8RSE8)?

Good info.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Lighting-AFX-WTA232R8-Prismatic-Diffuser/dp/B0041883TC

I wanted to add this one to the fixtures list ( I also mentioned it another post). AFX lighting, WTA232R8.

This one goes for between $87 and $120 and has a Phillips ballast. We have a couple at work and they make great task lights mounted above the work bench.

The light does not really look pink... That was my camera. It does show how wide and even the pattern is. A reasonable guess is a 10-15% light loss from the diffuser.
 

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The link is to a spread sheet that lists energy star qualified fixtures. You will have to use the filters to narrow down the choices (top of each column). If you find an Energy Star listed fixture in a store, you should be able to find its specs on the spread sheet.

The sheet lists lumens per watt, lamp life, CRI, Lumen Maintenance etc....



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CG0QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.homeenergysavings.net%2FDownloads%2FQualified_lightfixtures.xls&ei=RcOeUt2MHuXIigLeUw&usg=AFQjCNHULqAEvDj01bui0IgnaiFX5yiovQ&sig2=Tt4ahm1sTBoxWTNc2llLEA&bvm=bv.57155469,d.cGE
 
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