Saylor-Beall Rebuild
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arkansawer
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if I remember right diatomaceous earth are crushed sea shells. The sharp edges cut into fleas etc. There must be two kinds. I'll have to look into it further. But, back to the rebuild.
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Since we are a tad off topic I wonder if I can get you guys-gals opinion on welding around dogs. Do they have a curiosity toward the strange light or do they tend to head for the hills? Just picked up an older miller thunderbolt ac/dc off CL. All the shops I've worked at had outside guard dogs and somehow the conversation or situation has never come up.
Besides my dogs, which keep me company, my shop has a resident 6 foot black snake which is always interesting and a constant reminder to me to keep the tool drawers and cabinets shut. Definitely better than a cup of coffee to get the juices flowing. He or she even lets me hold it once in a while. When I am sleeping in the shop while on varmint duty (catching the chicken killers) I turn off the lights and listen for the inevitable snake wrapping up a late night snack. Good deterrent for thieves also. just get an aquarium, fill it with dried leaves and put some sort of not lethal constrictor in there close to the door so when it opens it will bump the tank provoking the snake to start wiggling it's tail. sounds close enough to a rattler to at least keep your friends honest. BTW, they also eat the copperheads, water moccasins and real rattlers around here besides the rats and mice. Sorry for the color commentary but it's been a long hot day putting up hay and I think I might have frazzled my brain ya think?
Besides my dogs, which keep me company, my shop has a resident 6 foot black snake which is always interesting and a constant reminder to me to keep the tool drawers and cabinets shut. Definitely better than a cup of coffee to get the juices flowing. He or she even lets me hold it once in a while. When I am sleeping in the shop while on varmint duty (catching the chicken killers) I turn off the lights and listen for the inevitable snake wrapping up a late night snack. Good deterrent for thieves also. just get an aquarium, fill it with dried leaves and put some sort of not lethal constrictor in there close to the door so when it opens it will bump the tank provoking the snake to start wiggling it's tail. sounds close enough to a rattler to at least keep your friends honest. BTW, they also eat the copperheads, water moccasins and real rattlers around here besides the rats and mice. Sorry for the color commentary but it's been a long hot day putting up hay and I think I might have frazzled my brain ya think?
Greatbear
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Don't allow your dogs to stare into the arc while welding, if they bother to hang around. They can get welder's flash like people do. Needless to say, don't let them get hit with sparks either. ;-)
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Don't feed the trolls.
arkansawer
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How do you figure I am a troll?
EOC_Jason
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Any update on the build? I guess he must be out of town on work...
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Thanks, greatbear. The situation hasn't come up but I like to be prepared. I, too, wish Jon would post.
EOC_Jason
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Is this thread dead? I hope Jonathon is okay?
He's probably just traveling a lot for work right now...
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jonathan75
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Is this thread dead? I hope Jonathon is okay?
Thank you for the concern. Work has been extremely stressful the past few months. Between high stress, travel schedule and honey do lists I have not had much time to make it in the garage. Winter is coming and now is the perfect time of year to work in the garage. Hopefully my work situation is more stable and I can focus more during my free time soon.
Some of my parts started to rust that I didn't complete yet so I had to put some oil on it. I didn't want to oil it since most will be painted but I didn't have a choice. But I will clean it well before painting after sanding down again.
Hang tight everyone, I really want to get this finished before winter.
EOC_Jason
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Bump because this thread is too awesome to let get buried...
Any updates or work still crazy?
Any updates or work still crazy?
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I don't even get to go home this weekend. I will be back home for Thanksgiving then fly back out.
Todd.Brock
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Hey! Santa called and said he needs to pump up his sleigh tires, can he fill up at your house with the SB?
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Wonder if lemon juice would drive off rust, its stop oxidation on fruit(apples)
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jonathan75
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Sorry Santa I will need to wave you off. I just got back home late last night and will leave town again tomorrow. Still no rest or break.
But in other news I have been making preparations for completion and work environment. During black Friday I got a nice Goodyear air hose reel.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200431258_200431258
and I got a heater to work in the cold.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200581030_200581030
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Thanks for checking back in!! Hopefully the heater will keep you warm. It's hard to find the motivation to walk I to a freezing garage and start working!
Should I call off the Easter bunny ? He called too...
Should I call off the Easter bunny ? He called too...
Hi Jonathan, this thread is awesome. It sucked me in from the get go. I totally understand your passion for the Saylor Beall as I own one myself. Mine is the 705 on a vertical 80 gallon tank 5hp single phase. The D**n thing stands taller than me…lol. It is a great machine, a real workhorse that purrs like a kitten.
Please, by all means finish this thing out, balls are a turning blue waiting for the climax…Lol
Don’t ya just hate when work sh*t gets in the way!
Please, by all means finish this thing out, balls are a turning blue waiting for the climax…Lol
Don’t ya just hate when work sh*t gets in the way!
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jonathan75
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I think the heater should work well even my garage is not very insulated. My temp gauge when off the chart at 600F! As for the Easter Bunny, keep him on standby.
Later I will post some pictures of the heater install. It is related so I figure I can't crash my own thread. Too bad it is so warm out right now. Still can't give it a proper test.
Sorry for the delay. I really hope to get it finished soon too. Your Saylor Beall is what I wanted at first but this one came up so I took it. With mine you can put a saddle on it. It is as big as a small bull!
Trey T
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Did you get the SB spray paint from online or directly from SB?
Is there a matching color that I can buy from local store?
Is there a matching color that I can buy from local store?
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jonathan75
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I highly recommend the original paint from SB. If I recall it is $50 for a gallon. We are very lucky we can still get the original paint so it is best to source it from them. It is actually a very good quality paint.
You have to get it from a local distributor or contact http://www.airfloinc.com/
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Here is more information on my heater setup. Since this project is taking longer then I expected it is bringing me into the winter now. Not knowing when I will have free time I figured I should be prepared to work during some cold nights to get this done. Here is a link to the heater and some information for future reference.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200581030_200581030
ProTemp Ceiling-Mount Electric Turbo Heater — 17,000 BTU, 240 Volts, Model# PT-05-240-GH
Product Summary
This ProTemp Ceiling-Mount Electric Turbo Heater produces up to 17,000 BTU of powerful warmth, plus tilts and swivels for greater versatility.
Features + Benefits
Heavy-duty steel heating element
Heats up to 540 square feet
Built-in thermostat control
Fan-only feature for air movement
Overheat shut-off protection
Key Specs
Item# 16121
Ship Weight 24.0 lbs
Product Type Forced air
Product Style Permanent mount
BTU Output 8,500/17,000
Blower Included Yes
Heating Capability (sq. ft.) 540
Amps 30
Volts 240
Watts 5,000
Thermostat Included Yes
Blower (CFM) 228
Heat Settings 2
Thermal Cutoff Safety Device Yes
Plug Type NEMA L6-30P
Power Cord (ft.) 6
Dimensions W x D x H (in.) 13 x 12 5/8 x 17
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200581030_200581030
ProTemp Ceiling-Mount Electric Turbo Heater — 17,000 BTU, 240 Volts, Model# PT-05-240-GH
Product Summary
This ProTemp Ceiling-Mount Electric Turbo Heater produces up to 17,000 BTU of powerful warmth, plus tilts and swivels for greater versatility.
Features + Benefits
Heavy-duty steel heating element
Heats up to 540 square feet
Built-in thermostat control
Fan-only feature for air movement
Overheat shut-off protection
Key Specs
Item# 16121
Ship Weight 24.0 lbs
Product Type Forced air
Product Style Permanent mount
BTU Output 8,500/17,000
Blower Included Yes
Heating Capability (sq. ft.) 540
Amps 30
Volts 240
Watts 5,000
Thermostat Included Yes
Blower (CFM) 228
Heat Settings 2
Thermal Cutoff Safety Device Yes
Plug Type NEMA L6-30P
Power Cord (ft.) 6
Dimensions W x D x H (in.) 13 x 12 5/8 x 17
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The plug I took out to use the wiring for the heater was originally designed for my future air compressor. It turned out that the air compressor I purchased would be too high of a power demand to utilize a 30 amp outlet. But the good news was it is perfect for the heater I just purchased. The only problem was the outlet was too low and the wrong type of connector. So out came the outlet which was replaced with a switch. I also put a dummy switch next to it because it is a two gang box. Then I ran wire to a new outlet up above.
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I cut a hole in the drywall with a drywall saw and pushed up some fish tape to grab the wire. It is hard to find the fish tape in the insulation. Be prepared for some cut up hands. I used a 30 amp switch and put a dummy next to it just to frustrate someone in the future. It looks like I will have enough wire left over for a welder! The neutral wire is not needed so I just stuffed it in the back of the box.
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Now the electrical is done I can mount it. It comes with more cord then I need but that is okay. The stainless steel coils look very tough. Actually the quality of the whole unit is not bad. Just the fan is a little noisy. It has a small rattle to it. You can see from the temperature gauge it gets very hot. It goes above 600F and then cuts out on my meter.
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All done and ready to work on the compressor this winter. You can see the dummy switch to the left of the real one. That is going to drive someone nuts some day! But I may find a use for it.
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Here you can see how long it took to heat the garage. Now I know it works I can get started on the air compressor anytime I am free this winter! I turned the heater on at 3:53PM. Lets see how long it takes to get to 70F! Remember it is in the 30's outside and my garage is not insulated very well. At one point I thought to get the fan on because the heat was just sitting on the ceiling taunting me.
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I wanted to see how warm the breaker got running the heater. As you can see it got a little warm compared to a breaker that was not running anything at the time. The breaker says Air Compressor but I will change that to heater and add a new larger breaker and line for the air compressor.
Hope the electric bill is not too high, just I did not feel like tapping into the gas line in my garage. The K heater works very well but it is hard to work around it in my crowded garage when I am cleaning up. Anyway four hours later it got very comfortable inside the garage.
Just did a electical use calculation. Good thing I don't run it every day! $2.60 for four hours! That is $.65 an hour.
Hope the electric bill is not too high, just I did not feel like tapping into the gas line in my garage. The K heater works very well but it is hard to work around it in my crowded garage when I am cleaning up. Anyway four hours later it got very comfortable inside the garage.
Just did a electical use calculation. Good thing I don't run it every day! $2.60 for four hours! That is $.65 an hour.
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It may not seem like much progress on the surface but it did take me all day to do this. The final resting place for the air compressor is near the electrical panel along the wall on the left side of the garage. The problem was that my garage is such a mess right now I couldn't get it over there and make room to work on it.
So today was all about cleaning and moving things around. In the end I got it in the right spot. I still have a lot of cleaning to do to make more room to work but I did make a lot of progress.
That area of the garage will become a paint booth when it is time to paint the tank. I will put up some plastic sheets and clean the floor really well.
So today was all about cleaning and moving things around. In the end I got it in the right spot. I still have a lot of cleaning to do to make more room to work but I did make a lot of progress.
That area of the garage will become a paint booth when it is time to paint the tank. I will put up some plastic sheets and clean the floor really well.
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Trey T
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I know how ya feel about messy garage. Typically, to get any good work done, I clean up the garage before I start on a project. I highly suggest the same to give you the motivation of rebuilding the pump with high quality result.
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I do work better in a clean environment. Actually I am surprised the paint job came out nice so far even painting in my dirty garage. I still have a lot of cleaning to do but I will at the very least have a clean work area and clear off the bench and surrounding area.
The most upsetting thing was when I was cleaning I noticed I am still missing a few Craftsman sockets from my first set I got around 20 years ago. Really hope I can find them. I do recall dropping the tray once and they rolled everywhere and even down the driveway. I never did find them all yet. These are all old school and Made in USA.
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Phew , just got to the end of this thread and its still not finished , I'll look again tomorrow , bound to be finished by then 
For what it's worth , many pages ago , when you first brought it home on the trailer ,you said it was scary to tow, I think that was down to how it was loaded onto the trailer , it would have been better lengthways with a bias towards the hitch , trailers need some noseweight , if they are too balanced they tend to wander about and start steering the tow vehicle , airflow would have been nicer too .
it will always be a handful to move something heavy and tall but every little helps.
Hopefully you won't be moving it again , but bear that in mind if you do
For what it's worth , many pages ago , when you first brought it home on the trailer ,you said it was scary to tow, I think that was down to how it was loaded onto the trailer , it would have been better lengthways with a bias towards the hitch , trailers need some noseweight , if they are too balanced they tend to wander about and start steering the tow vehicle , airflow would have been nicer too .
it will always be a handful to move something heavy and tall but every little helps.
Hopefully you won't be moving it again , but bear that in mind if you do
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Phew , just got to the end of this thread and its still not finished , I'll look again tomorrow , bound to be finished by then
For what it's worth , many pages ago , when you first brought it home on the trailer ,you said it was scary to tow, I think that was down to how it was loaded onto the trailer , it would have been better lengthways with a bias towards the hitch , trailers need some noseweight , if they are too balanced they tend to wander about and start steering the tow vehicle , airflow would have been nicer too .
it will always be a handful to move something heavy and tall but every little helps.
Hopefully you won't be moving it again , but bear that in mind if you do
Thanks for the towing tip. It was my first time and it was nerve-racking. But I was so relieved when I made it home in one piece!
It probably won't be moved again I hope. It is on wheels for now which is turning out great for working on it.
EOC_Jason
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Whenever I have one or two go missing, I just go a pawn shop and dig through their bins, usually random sockets are like 50 cents... If it's in bad shape I go down to the Sears store and swap it out for a new one for free.
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jonathan75
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Whenever I have one or two go missing, I just go a pawn shop and dig through their bins, usually random sockets are like 50 cents... If it's in bad shape I go down to the Sears store and swap it out for a new one for free.
Thanks for the tip, I didn't know Pawn Shops had bins with sockets in them. I will check that out.
LS6 Tommy
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NEC requires a disconnect within sight distance of the compressor. I don't remember the maximum distance.
On a side note, I haven't read every single post in the thread, but did you get the tank hydro tested? I wouldn't put one back into service that came from a unknown commercial background, especially one that old. At work we just had to take one out of service that worked perfectly because the state inspector deemed the tank to be too old. He wouldn't even let us get it recertified...
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Hey Tommy, thanks for your feedback. I just moved the tank near the final position. The compressor will be only feet away from the breaker box so I probably will hard wire it. Less connection points are always tops in my book.
The tank I filled with water so I guess I hydro tested it. hahaha
Nah I am not worried about it. The metal is so thick it would probably take 50 years to rust though it. The pressure relief valve would most likely open before the tank would explode since the air pressure should exit the path of least resistance. You don't hear about air compressor tanks exploding all the time so I don't think it is much of an issue in general. But if I do see any signs of pinhole leaks or other indications I will take it out of service and replace the tank. I will also hammer test the bottom to check for any weakness and density sounds.
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Yeah, I know I sound a little over cautious. It comes from having a "Type A" personality & over 30 years of HVAC/Facilities Maintenance Management. You should have seen how much of a meticulous zealot I was when I was the crew chief for our race car. 
I'm completely on board with the idea of giving the compressor a second life. I absolutely love getting old things back into operating condition, even if I don't completely restore them. I just really like the way things were made back then. Heck, my lawn sprinkler is a 60's Craftsman tractor style traveling sprinkler I rescued from a garbage can at a swap meet. I use it all summer.
Also, I realize you aren't doing anything that is electrically unsafe, but just FYI, by code the breaker is not allowed to be used as a disconnect. There has to be a manually operated switch other than the breaker.
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I'm completely on board with the idea of giving the compressor a second life. I absolutely love getting old things back into operating condition, even if I don't completely restore them. I just really like the way things were made back then. Heck, my lawn sprinkler is a 60's Craftsman tractor style traveling sprinkler I rescued from a garbage can at a swap meet. I use it all summer.
Also, I realize you aren't doing anything that is electrically unsafe, but just FYI, by code the breaker is not allowed to be used as a disconnect. There has to be a manually operated switch other than the breaker.
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