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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

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Hey!! Red Leader Dave. I was hoping for an answer when I posted this in the tool forum but got almost no response. I looked at Vm.org and saw lots of pics of gray ones with the old style Craftsman badging but nothing in bronze with this badge. Thanks if you can help. We miss you!!!





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Cool Saw! As best as I can tell, that is an 12" bandsaw from roughly 1959-1962. Before 1959, Craftsman was using the old 1950's style logos and used the 1959-1960 catalog as the launch of their new marketing plan, which included new tools and updated looks. The design of that saw changed for 1963, so there is your window. The power bronze as a color is not as reliable as a date indicator because it was appearing as early as 1957, alongside the normal Craftsman gray and darker gray colors and can be found on Craftsman tools well into the 1960s. The logos also help, but can be pretty broad as well. The crown logo could have been in use as early as 1958, and of course was used for years and years afterwards. The old 1950's logo was also used on various tools extending as late as 1964, so there is a lot of crossover. That swoosh style logo was used as early as 1958/59 and continued through the 1960s on some tools, mainly jointers and shapers. There are always exceptions to the rule as well. Craftsman, as best as I could tell, didn't have catalogs for 1958 or 1962, so there are some holes in what we know. We have a tendency to judge things by the catalog when the reality may have been that on the ground, in the stores, things were different. There was a lot of change happening at this point in time at Craftsman. This was the big shift that all the tool makers were going through leading into the 1960s and the true decline of the golden era of tools and tool companies.

Don't get me wrong, there have always been boutique tools available during all eras (Oliver, Tannewitz, Powermatic, Delta Unisaws, etc) but if we are looking widely across the tool industry, it saw a major decline in the 1960s when companies started to get bought out and conglomerated and the result was chintzed out tools. Whether that was for greater profit margin or something else, I don't know. It is also true that at the height of the golden era, there were plenty of cheap, junky tools being sold in the magazines and newspapers by the fly-by-night companies, so I have no illusions.

My favorite year for Craftsman was 1957. There were a lot of reasons to like what they were doing. They were offering fabulous tools - the Parks 20" planer, the 10" cabinet saw, 18" bandsaw, the swing saw, the Parks radial saws (Craftsman's best RAS) AND the DeWalt turret arm saw and cabinet...and of course the really rare birds - the 20" tilt-arbor jig saw and the 12" Craftsman marked Belsaw planer (in full sheet metal dress). They had the pedestals, the Powr Panl, the great drill press accessories, the awesome 1/2HP grinder...there was just so much offered. So many of my favorite tools are in this catalog, and some of my greatest and hardest quest tools as well. This catalog represents, at least for me, the last great era of Craftsman before things started going downhill.

Don't get me wrong, Craftsman still was offering some great tools, but we see Craftsman start to move away from their industrial roots, by losing the parks radial saws and planers. A lot of interesting tools are gone. The shipping weight of the Accra-Arm saw was 180lbs. The Parks? 310lbs. I've owned both and can attest to the difference. 1959 marked the start of a migration away from the heavy duty, heavy/cast iron solid quality type tools and towards cheaper, mass produced hobbyist tools. A migration away from production to the hobbyist. Look at the 1942-43 catalogs. Look how heavily Craftsman was into production! Very telling is the 1966 catalog, followed by the 1969 catalog. I'm pretty surprised some of these tools were hanging on as long as they did, such as the 18" Parks bandsaw. There are still some great tools to be found in these later catalogs, which you can tell are obviously the same castings as their former 1950s brethren, just with different logos. But firmly in place are all the tin can models that are paired sometimes right next to or right before some of the older quality tools of the exact same category, in such taunting, offensive fashion as to nearly revel in the success of mediocrity through celebrating the death of their greater counterparts.


Fortunately, this 12" saw escaped the early 1960s unscathed and remained basically the same saw it was throughout the 1950s, which some people hold in incredibly high regard. This tool, along with some of the budget 1950s contractor saws (which were a sort of chintzy in their own right), have astounded some people and it really turns people's expectations on their ear. It is not hard to find stories of some of these contractor saws having zero measurable runout, or an individual stating that this little bandsaw is the best cutting saw they've ever used. I personally appreciate and enjoy the power bronze tools and even though some of them represent the unfortunate future direction Craftsman was to take, they still really pique my interest and hold a prominent spot in the history of Craftsman tools.
 
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Quick update -


Little have all of you suspected (ha!), but I should have some pictures of my Craftsman belt sander, nearly fully restored, up at some point soon! I need to get a new logo tag since the one it came with is damaged, as well as a period correct motor, but it is lookin' pretty snazzy and with the pedestal stand and belt guard, is a pretty rare package.

Score one, Craftsman lovers. Photos up and coming.
 
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I was browsing the latest additions on the Craftsman photo index and I came across an absolutely stunning find, a 9" Craftsman/Atlas cabinet/floor saw from 1940-1941:

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This picture particularly does it justice by highlighting the magnificent traditional 'skyscraper' art deco frequently found in the industrial sector at this point in time.



Owner states it passes the nickel and penny test with ease -

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Just thought I'd share this amazing find with you all. I'm hoping mine is somewhere out there!:willy_nil:beer:
 

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Excellent dissertation on the evolution and transition of Craftsman Tool! :thumbup:

We've always said that they don't make tools like they used to, but your knowledge and experience can see the changes from one model year to another. Amazing.

I hope TB66 really has room left in The Pedestrian Garage since the new ride followed him home. If not, there are plenty of shops that would like a piece of beauty like that! Although the color matches the rest of his tools!

And that 9" floor saw would blend right into the 1950'S Craftsman Garage!
 

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Wow! Thanks for taking the time to compose that answer. I'm going to print it for future reference. It will make a nice addition to my power bronze collection. The restoration will be a nice way to spend some of the dark days of winter now that I have some heat in the garage.
 

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I was browsing the latest additions on the Craftsman photo index and I came across an absolutely stunning find, a 9" Craftsman/Atlas cabinet/floor saw from 1940-1941:

Owner states it passes the nickel and penny test with ease -

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Red Leader,

For the uninformed amongst us (me), could you please expound on the significance of the 'nickel' and 'penny' test?

Thanks!
 

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Red Leader,

For the uninformed amongst us (me), could you please expound on the significance of the 'nickel' and 'penny' test?

Thanks!

The motor with blade run so smoothly and so perfectly balanced that there is no vibration so that a nickel and penny can be balanced on the table when the motor is running.

And for a saw that old, that is impressive!
 

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Red Leader - I absolutely love your garage and tools. You're one of the reasons I decided to start looking for old Craftsman tools. I just love the 1950s style! I purchased a 15" floor model drill press about 2 months ago. It is in great condition, although it has a few too many coats of paint that will eventually be stripped... and is missing a handle. Do you have a source for where to find parts for these old machines?
 
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Red Leader - I absolutely love your garage and tools. You're one of the reasons I decided to start looking for old Craftsman tools. I just love the 1950s style! I purchased a 15" floor model drill press about 2 months ago. It is in great condition, although it has a few too many coats of paint that will eventually be stripped... and is missing a handle. Do you have a source for where to find parts for these old machines?


Yep, the BOYD. Go to OWWM.org, register, then get a few posts going and then go to the BOYD (Bring Out Your Dead) --> woodworking section. Make a 'WTB' post for the parts you are looking for. Those presses are somewhat common so finding parts shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Thanks for your kind words!
 
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The motor with blade run so smoothly and so perfectly balanced that there is no vibration so that a nickel and penny can be balanced on the table when the motor is running.

And for a saw that old, that is impressive!

Yep, that. Probably the finest example of a 'nickel' test was a restored Oliver 270-D table saw that passes the 'dime' test....while cutting wood....


 
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Wow! Thanks for taking the time to compose that answer. I'm going to print it for future reference. It will make a nice addition to my power bronze collection. The restoration will be a nice way to spend some of the dark days of winter now that I have some heat in the garage.

I would say that that saw is a worthy candidate for restor'n and keep'n!
 

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Yep, the BOYD. Go to OWWM.org, register, then get a few posts going and then go to the BOYD (Bring Out Your Dead) --> woodworking section. Make a 'WTB' post for the parts you are looking for. Those presses are somewhat common so finding parts shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Thanks for your kind words!

Perfect, thank you! I think she only needs the one part and a new paint job. Then on to find more stuff like you have in your garage... like the industrial on/off switch.
 
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Well, here is where I am with the Craftsman belt sander -

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Obviously, it's not done. Still need 3 main things...

1) Machined surfaces will need cleaned. I figure that once I get a belt, I'll just run the table and the small support piece over the belt - I've seen this used as an awesome method to get a very nice resurfaced finish on the flat areas. So to do that, I'll need to get it running...

2) A period correct motor. Actually, I'm cheating on this a little bit. The sander itself is from the very early 1960s, but I think I'm going to put a late 50s motor and go with the old Craftsman logo. I like this period of motors better (with the shiny center trim piece) and technically this sander casting was offered in the late 1950s, so it would still be correct. I do have a motor, but it is a modern Grizzly and I'd rather do it up right. Craftsman 1/2hp motors from the 50s are a dime a dozen, so hopefully I'll find something soon.

3) You'll notice that the tags are missing. This is a 'Craftsman Crown' sander, but I think I'm going to go with an older, 1950's style logo. Again, would be period correct as this casting was introduced in 1956 and the 1950s style logo was used on this sander up until 1960. If I really wanted to be a stickler for the older look, I would ditch the motor mount for the more universal mount that was used on this sander up until 1960 as well as on the pedestal stands for the bandsaws and jointers. In 1960/1961, they chintzed out, ONLY on the sander motor mount, and the motor only bolts on hanging halfway off the mount. Kinda goofy. It is honestly a little more rare, since it looks to be proprietary to the sander, but I have a feeling that the older, universal pedestal motor mount is a more solid mounting system and would technically be correct for one of these sanders with the older logo.


I'd also like to get a Powr Panl for it, which would probably be the coolest/most original switch I could find for it. I actually had one a while back I got with the free Craftsman combo machine, but I donated that and so I'll just find another one:)

So...still a bit of work to do. No budget right now for logos, motor mounts, motors or Powr Panls, but that will be the goal:thumbup:
 

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You have a way with the EXL wheel and making that hardware look new again. Wow! :bowdown:
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And it is because of you that many of us have splurged on the wheels. :thumbup:

Great idea on sanding the table for the finish. I have a vintage C'man table that my handheld EXL wheel just can't do it justice. What grit is the best to give that true brushed/machined metal look?
 

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What a beauty! You're doing her up right, RL. When you're ready for belts I highly suggest Industrial Abrasives - I've been VERY pleased with everything I've obtained from them.

Might I throw in a suggestion? 1/2hp might be a wee too small. I currently have a 1hp Baldor on my 6x48 sander and I can still bog it down. Just something to consider.
 

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I found a 50s Craftsman 20" tilting arbor jig saw at a flea market. I knew it was not complete, but I could not pass it up. After spending a lot of time, the only info I could find is Red Leader's saw.

It saw works fine, but it is missing the blade holders. This thing requires ear protection big time. I am going to upload some pics to show what is missing.
Sorry about the pics, all I have is my phone.
 

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This thread is amazing, I spent the last two days at work looking though it. Amazing work and Im kicking myself for letting my dad give away his radial arm saw a few years ago. Keep it up man.
 
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I found a 50s Craftsman 20" tilting arbor jig saw at a flea market. I knew it was not complete, but I could not pass it up. After spending a lot of time, the only info I could find is Red Leader's saw.

It saw works fine, but it is missing the blade holders. This thing requires ear protection big time. I am going to upload some pics to show what is missing.
Sorry about the pics, all I have is my phone.



WHOA! Awesome! Check out the date - 1955! That is a new one on me. It does make sense, though. These saws were officially offered in the 1956 and 1957 catalogs. There would have to be a production cycle in 1955 to have a supply ready for the 1956 model year. Yet, it is still really cool seeing that.

Much like my '1990' 2nd gen 4runner was made in 5/89.

You have the oldest one that I have seen. When you get a chance, please list that bad boy under the OWWM Craftsman photo registry!

It is neat to see that once these saws have gotten a little exposure, more start to come out of the woodwork. Love it.


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Andy, great job saving that saw. The missing parts are easily made and it will be nothing to get that back up and running. See my next post.
 
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SS502mc,

You are probably the one who emailed me about your saw. Sorry for the delay, but here are the pictures that I took for a lady who was missing the same parts on her saw. I hope these pictures help and give you a little bit of a clue as to how the blade attaches. I can take more detailed photos if you need additional assistance.

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Honestly, mine are probably homemade too. They don't really have the polished look that tells me OEM, but who knows.
 
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What a beauty! You're doing her up right, RL. When you're ready for belts I highly suggest Industrial Abrasives - I've been VERY pleased with everything I've obtained from them.

Might I throw in a suggestion? 1/2hp might be a wee too small. I currently have a 1hp Baldor on my 6x48 sander and I can still bog it down. Just something to consider.

Thanks Todd! I'll check out the link.

You know, you may be right about the 1/2 HP. It is hard to say what real HP the 1/2HP Craftsman motors were back in the day, but if I can find a good 3/4 to 1HP original Craftsman motor that is 1725rpm, I'd more than be happy to use it!

BTW lets plan to get together again. Also, there is a cool conservation spot out here that I thought might interest you, with a period correct housing display set up that includes a blacksmith shop. Most of the tools and stuff in there are relics and in severe dis-repair, but was fascinating all the same.
 
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You have a way with the EXL wheel and making that hardware look new again. Wow! :bowdown:
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And it is because of you that many of us have splurged on the wheels. :thumbup:

Great idea on sanding the table for the finish. I have a vintage C'man table that my handheld EXL wheel just can't do it justice. What grit is the best to give that true brushed/machined metal look?

Jeff,

So, interesting you bring that up. That picture above was done with the EXL wheel, but I had to go beyond it. The EXL is great for a surface treatment on items where the surface is integrous, meaning no pits, deep scratches or grooves, since the EXL does surface work and deburring but is not meant for cutting in or shaping. You can tell in that picture that the arm link has grooves in the metal, whereas the top of that pin sitting in it is completely smooth. I actually sanded the top of that pin so remove the circular machining marks from it before moving on. Here was my 'mirror polish' procedure -

1. Sand surface on a belt sander
2. EXL wheel
3. Buffing wheel

Then final waxing and onto the machine it goes. The sanding takes out the main imperfections (have a quenching tray ready!!!), the EXL wheel smooths everything out from there including the tiny lines from the sanding, and the polish/buffing wheel takes care of the rest. Honestly, there are guys that take this procedure way, way beyond what I am doing...they are using 1000, 1500, 2000 grit sandpaper, mothers polish and getting a chrome-like finish. Not everyone likes that type of finish, but with the level of difficulty that is to achieve, I do have an appreciation for it, even though most of my machines will not get that treatment. I do really like the clean, semi-mirror brushed look on the bare metal.


I've posted the link here before, but I never get tired of looking at it - the best machine restoration I've ever seen, period, was on a Craftsman floor press and the guy went all out, I mean all out. You may even remember which one I am talking about. It is eye popping. I'll see if I can find it again for all the new viewers.
 

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BTW lets plan to get together again. Also, there is a cool conservation spot out here that I thought might interest you, with a period correct housing display set up that includes a blacksmith shop. Most of the tools and stuff in there are relics and in severe dis-repair, but was fascinating all the same.

Indeed we do, Sir. Are you referring to the Littleton Farm by any chance? My wife takes the kids there often. I've been very briefly, but the day I went the wee one was having a hard day, so I didn't have much time to poke around.
 
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Indeed we do, Sir. Are you referring to the Littleton Farm by any chance? My wife takes the kids there often. I've been very briefly, but the day I went the wee one was having a hard day, so I didn't have much time to poke around.

Nope, this one is off of Hampden and Picadilly, more on our end of town. Called the Plains Conservation Center.

Had a great time. One thing to be aware of though if you do go out there, we found this fellar next to one of the large teepees they had set up in an open area -

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Jedi was pretty interested, but we made sure to keep a good distance to teach him. They do have signs posted. When we walked back I found a staff person and told them that there was a 3' or so rattler out near the tents and she kind of looked at me, amused and was sort of like "Yeah, we have those." It was pretty funny. Great place to take the kids and do some interactive history lessons.
 

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They won't think it's funny if a little one gets too curious about that slithering thing. Wow, that could spoil someone's day.

Yes, Dave, that restoration is amazing. I've enjoyed going through jtb's restoration. BTW, he's here on GJ as well. The polish on that machine makes it look like it needs to be in a museum. I've done some cleaning and EXL wheeling on a 100, but the extra steps just make that pop. I may need to run down to his place to get a close up inspection and to see why mine has some issues going back together.

Thanks for reposting for all to admire!
 

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Red......I ran across this on CL and instantly thought of you. I don't know if you have one or not, but it would sure fit in nice with all of your other C-Man items http://dayton.craigslist.org/tls/4649626607.html If you happen to be interested, let me know, and I can pick it up for you and ship it your way. You can call and make the arrangements with him as far as holding it though. You could either PayPal him the money, or I could go ahead and pay for it and you could pay me.

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One thing to be aware of though if you do go out there, we found this fellar next to one of the large teepees they had set up in an open area -

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"Statistics show that 100% of people bitten by snakes were too close to them"

Ha. If you do anything outdoor here you're bound to have an encounter at one point or another. A few years ago when the wife and I were climbing she was up a face and I was her belay when one of these lil fellers decided to come say hi to me. That one was closer than I would have liked.
 

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Wow, just found this thread - it is amazing!

Thanks for sharing all of this great info!

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Red......I ran across this on CL and instantly thought of you. I don't know if you have one or not, but it would sure fit in nice with all of your other C-Man items http://dayton.craigslist.org/tls/4649626607.html If you happen to be interested, let me know, and I can pick it up for you and ship it your way. You can call and make the arrangements with him as far as holding it though. You could either PayPal him the money, or I could go ahead and pay for it and you could pay me.

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Just received a grey one just like that one.. Casting looks a little thinner but it has the same shape and craftsman logo..
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Jeff,
Here was my 'mirror polish' procedure -

1. Sand surface on a belt sander
2. EXL wheel
3. Buffing wheel

Then final waxing and onto the machine it goes. The sanding takes out the main imperfections (have a quenching tray ready!!!), the EXL wheel smooths everything out from there including the tiny lines from the sanding, and the polish/buffing wheel takes care of the rest.

Can You buy these EXL or EXL type wheels at home depot/ Lowes, or maybe my local hardware store? Or are they internet order only.

Also what kind of polishing wheel do you use? any polishing compound?
I have a ryobi bench grinder that i want to set up for polishing: a exl wheel on one side and maybe the polishing wheel on the other?
I am new to polishing so any tips and free information would be much appreciated!
 
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Didn't see this message -

I have only ever seen the EXL wheel online. I assume that you *might* be able to find it locally depending on the store, but I've never seen the big box stores carry them. Online prices seem to be the best as well.

I just use a cloth layered buffing wheel with some buffing compound. Some guys go to the extreme and use various grades of sandpaper and them hone the finish with polish.


Best polish I've ever used was Simichrome, although I don't know much about its availability. If you see some, get it.
 
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I think that many motorcycle shops carry it. Probably Pep Boys also.

Really? That's awesome. I have a little tube of the stuff I got from my dad and I'm pretty sure the last time I used it was when I was about 10 years old :D

The stuff is good!
 

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Just looked at your car, very nice.

Just looked at your garage, OMG, that's you! Kudos for making the best with what you have to work with; you've got more organization packed into your space than I could do with 10X as much.

It's not what you got, it's how you use it!
 

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Hi, awesome garage. I couldn't help but notice the control box you have mounted on your wall. I have one very similar. What's yours off of? My "press inch button control box" is off a 1980's TKS doublewidth newspaper printing press we disassembled a few years back.

Thanks for posting all of your stuff!

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WOW... RL what an awesome garage, collection of tools and thread. I just found it yesterday and have just finished going thru every page! I have always liked the idea of vintage tools and equipment, but never Thought about finding any. Well, that is changing now! I have wanted a to replace my Craftsman bench top drill press with a better quality floor or bench top press. I will definitely be searching for a vintage piece. Thanks for sharing your talents, and being an inspiration.
 
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