zoomieport
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They are VERY well made.
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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They are VERY well made.
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Drivesitfar.
VA: you must have all these pages memorized. impressive. here's the picture of the Lane Tech Chicago vise that is very similar to Zkling's "no name" vise.
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No Drivesit, If I had to rely on memory, I'd never find anything.---What I have discovered is that when you (1) go to the search bar, (2) type in the name of a vise. (3) hit go, (4) find Vice Repair 101, (5) go to any of the indexes that are set up in that thread, (6) scan through the indexes and the name of your vise will be highlighted in neon red, so you can't miss it. If for instance you type in Samson and there is also a Samson Jr. listed, the Samson in each will be highlighted.
I don't know who fixed it like that, but man that is a trick.---A real time saver.---Who ever it was need's a raise.
VA: you must have all these pages memorized. impressive. here's the picture of the Lane Tech Chicago vise that is very similar to Zkling's "no name" vise.
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No Drivesit, If I had to rely on memory, I'd never find anything.---What I have discovered is that when you (1) go to the search bar, (2) type in the name of a vise. (3) hit go, (4) find Vice Repair 101, (5) go to any of the indexes that are set up in that thread, (6) scan through the indexes and the name of your vise will be highlighted in neon red, so you can't miss it. If for instance you type in Samson and there is also a Samson Jr. listed, the Samson in each will be highlighted.
I don't know who fixed it like that, but man that is a trick.---A real time saver.---Who ever it was need's a raise.
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drivesitfar
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VA: I knew you had a system. another maybe quicker way since i post quite a bit (maybe too much) on this thread just find one of my posts, click on the Vise Repair 101 link in my signature and carry on from there. thanks for the tip and happy you are around to either remind us what we missed or go out to the chain gang and snap a few pictures of one we are talking about.
by the way anybody that wants to post before and after pictures of their vises on Vise Repair 101 it could use a few of them so we'll have another source to look besides the 1000 page vise thread.
Zoomie: good looking vises and still wondering if Wilton was making prototypes or if the guy they might have bought the patent from was. by the way is York vises a Wilton in European clothing?
Blue: probably on the high side for the little Craftsman, but maybe it will sit and they will take a lower offer. only thing i see as an issue is the swivel pin is bent other than some rust and dust.
FMC: do we really know if there were any 345 Pound Rock Island vises made or if one was stamped a Craftsman? i want one and probably just BECAUSE, but that is like finding another unicorn.
BC: thanks for the information on the Craftsmans about Rock Island and Reed which we know made them prior to WWII.
ALL: still wondering where Starrett fits in the mix since it is their handles on the 519x series vises? We'll figure it out and maybe someone will find some of the old factory books with the plans for them one day. i think Clara has the notes from Columbian that maybe Outlaw saw when he bought one of her vises. if Columbian made the 519x series vises there should be something in those maybe.
by the way anybody that wants to post before and after pictures of their vises on Vise Repair 101 it could use a few of them so we'll have another source to look besides the 1000 page vise thread.
Zoomie: good looking vises and still wondering if Wilton was making prototypes or if the guy they might have bought the patent from was. by the way is York vises a Wilton in European clothing?
Blue: probably on the high side for the little Craftsman, but maybe it will sit and they will take a lower offer. only thing i see as an issue is the swivel pin is bent other than some rust and dust.
FMC: do we really know if there were any 345 Pound Rock Island vises made or if one was stamped a Craftsman? i want one and probably just BECAUSE, but that is like finding another unicorn.
BC: thanks for the information on the Craftsmans about Rock Island and Reed which we know made them prior to WWII.
ALL: still wondering where Starrett fits in the mix since it is their handles on the 519x series vises? We'll figure it out and maybe someone will find some of the old factory books with the plans for them one day. i think Clara has the notes from Columbian that maybe Outlaw saw when he bought one of her vises. if Columbian made the 519x series vises there should be something in those maybe.
Fretters
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Nope. Wilton's are a York knock-off. The York's have the keyway on the slide, as with that one of ZK's. I'd personally be inclined to think those are Wilton's first attempts at an updated York design.
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EOC_Jason
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The last of the 4C's got put back together today. Still needs a little tweaking on the handle adjustment, but until I get it secured down good that's going to have to wait. Sorry for the bad pictures, hard to get a good angle without massive glare.
Don't know if I will finish the 2C & 3C resto before page 1,000....
EDIT - Added original picture of seized up hunk of rust.
Don't know if I will finish the 2C & 3C resto before page 1,000....
EDIT - Added original picture of seized up hunk of rust.
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Fretters
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Is that restored or as-found condition?
Fretters
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It's restored. I couldn't tell what the original color was because there was nothing left. Quite a few of these seem to be blue so that's what I decided to go with. This was as found:
drivesitfar
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Jason: I'm guessing the rusted hunk of steel on the last picture is the before picture. yes?? awesome job again. so are you getting Popeye forearms working on these 190 pound vises?
Dave: that was a quick spiffing up of your Craftsman. nice work and nice color. how do you like the action and the look of that considering it's a bit smaller than a couple of your other vises?
Dave: that was a quick spiffing up of your Craftsman. nice work and nice color. how do you like the action and the look of that considering it's a bit smaller than a couple of your other vises?
Fretters
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Top job.
That's my idea of a perfect restoration. When you can look at something and not tell whether it's in good as-found condition else restored, that's about as perfect a restoration as is possible. Ticks all my boxes. KMScott
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Balane and Jason, you guys do great work. I like the last bullet Balane you finished, and some day I will get my hands on a Reed C series vise and hope it looks as good as yours Jason. I finished up this American Red Seal # 55 vise today, much heavier then the Columbians. Pretty nice vise and the 5 inch jaws are about the perfect all around bench vise. It was kind of rough when I started.
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PghJKB
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I have a Prentiss 53 - Stationary base. It has the same stamp on the side of the right jaw - the date is June 6, 1911 and refers to patent 994240.
Here is the link:
https://www.google.com/patents/US994240
JKB
balane
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SweetD
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No doubt awesome job!
Can you briefly describe your polishing method for the bare metal?
Thanks!
Dave
zoomieport
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Nice work Kevin!
FMC1959
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KMS, beautiful job, I'm also curious about how you finished the cast part, the finish is super smooth.
jaker10
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Thanks I didn't think it was from the 1800's. It's painted now and I can't see any of it.
EOC_Jason
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How do you know which vise is Kevin's?
You are a true artist Mr. Scott, and an awesome machinist.
KMScott
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KMS, beautiful job, I'm also curious about how you finished the cast part, the finish is super smooth.
This vise had a bunch of dings that were about 3/16 deep at the worse case. I used a 4-1/2" angle grinder with a 40 grit sanding disc and a heavy plastic backing so it would flex a little. I then roughed down the backs until all the dings were gone and kept the grinder moving, using a course disc keeps you from really pushing hard so the disc will not roll the corners, the weight of the grinder is enough. For finishing I use Hook and Loop Scotch Brite Wheels (the red ones) and it quickly puts the smooth finish on. You would be suprised how fast the Scotch Brite pads smooth down cast steel. It maybe took me 15 minutes from beginning to end. Here is the link to McMaster Carrs pads I buy. http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/120/2644/=thwbj8 Thanks guys for the kind words.
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oldldh
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I apologize for being late---
But---
Kevin---
YA DUN GUD. BUBBA!!!
But---
Kevin---
YA DUN GUD. BUBBA!!!
72CZ
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72CZ
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Re: Prentiss 19 Bull Dog Swivel Jaw
Picked up this Prentiss 19 this week near Newark NJ.
Here's some markings on my 19. I guess the 78 is like a s/n as it's on the
static and dynamic. Then there's the Navy markings. An anchor with the US on it
and the other is USN kinda over stamped on its self.
The jaw faces are very nice!!
Picked up this Prentiss 19 this week near Newark NJ.
Here's some markings on my 19. I guess the 78 is like a s/n as it's on the
static and dynamic. Then there's the Navy markings. An anchor with the US on it
and the other is USN kinda over stamped on its self.
The jaw faces are very nice!!
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jakemac
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I think an NS branded vise was posted in this thread before, but I don't remember what the verdict was. 
flavc3
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just recently picked up a Chas Parker 954 for $30...any way of finding out when it was made? Also, I took it apart to clean, strip and repaint.....would anyone know the original color? Thanks
jakemac
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Pictures would help answer your questions.
You basically just asked the guru's "I have a Ford F150, what year was it made and what color is it?". Well ........ if the butterfly was swimming upstream, then it was made on Feb. 34, 1926.
It's all in the details, bud.
You basically just asked the guru's "I have a Ford F150, what year was it made and what color is it?". Well ........ if the butterfly was swimming upstream, then it was made on Feb. 34, 1926.
It's all in the details, bud.
flavc3
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yeah sorry haven't taken any pics yet.....i guess i just want to know if there are any date stamps to look for?
jakemac
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Not on a Parker.
If it has patent dates, then you know that it's sometime after the last date. But it could be decades after. The students of vises here (I'm just a follower) can sometimes pick up on styling or construction cues to put the date into a range, but an exact year would be difficult without the original sales receipt or the original owner's memory.
If it has patent dates, then you know that it's sometime after the last date. But it could be decades after. The students of vises here (I'm just a follower) can sometimes pick up on styling or construction cues to put the date into a range, but an exact year would be difficult without the original sales receipt or the original owner's memory.
flavc3
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Balane,
A local antique shop has a Craftsman 5162 for sale for $200.00 that is not quite as nice as the one you pictured. Is that price unreasonable considering that no shipping will be involved?
Blue
hereshttp://toledo.craigslist.org/tls/4631929076.html one kwite a bit cheaper don't know where you are
GETRIDAONE
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Yours was probably made in the late 30's or 40's. the 1930 patent date is not cast on the side. The flat nose spindle and recessed hole in the Parker retaining collar are 1930 and after.
wrenchguy
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i think smiths patent mfrd by oswego? grouseman and 100 know the ins on searching. i never seen one with good jaw inserts, most have 1 missing. could be all wrong though.
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McBrownie
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Like Jake said, no way to know exactly, however, I have a 974 without a patent date like yours. Here is my 2 cents. The models older than the "no patents" have "Pat. 1930" on them. The models newer than the "no patents" have an "A" after the number (e.g. 974A) and were manufactured by Union who bought Parker in 1957. So, if a patent is good for 17 years or so, then Parker would have dropped the "Pat. 1930" around 1947. This all means, in my opinion, that your "no patent" 954 and my "no patent" 974 were most likey manufactured somewhere between 1947 and 1957. Hope that helps and nice vise, btw.
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drivesitfar
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Tedsters: nice find on the Prentiss and Reed vises. both look like they are in great shape. the thumb screw on the end of the hub of the Prentiss is interesting. I've seen a lot of holes there and i have a Morgan that has a more modern bolt in that threaded hole. does yours tighten the handle like my Morgan's does so you can lock it in half way for quicker turning in and out?
Flav: nice Parker. i'm not a Parker expert so maybe others have more information about color, but I've seen a lot of them with a natural finish sort of like what you have under the dust and speckled paint. maybe cleaning up and a few applications of boiled linseed oil will make it shine.
KMScott: was the Red Seal your Arrest me Red paint can? you sure know how to make a vise shine and another great restoration. did you have any before pictures to post with the awesome after pictures?
Flav: nice Parker. i'm not a Parker expert so maybe others have more information about color, but I've seen a lot of them with a natural finish sort of like what you have under the dust and speckled paint. maybe cleaning up and a few applications of boiled linseed oil will make it shine.
KMScott: was the Red Seal your Arrest me Red paint can? you sure know how to make a vise shine and another great restoration. did you have any before pictures to post with the awesome after pictures?
balane
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Grabbed up a very clean Record 5VS yesterday evening. 5" Jaws, 47 Lbs. It was kept in tremendous shape so I had nothing to do but wipe it down and knock a little crud off here and there. These are very nice vises, I've always been a Record fan.
I also got this little No. 766 Stanley table clamper at the same place which I'm impressed with. 3" Jaws, 9 Lbs. It has the build quality of a big vise in a small package. It's stamped FINE ARTS on the side but I'm not really sure what that means. It works great and is in very nice mechanical condition but I'm just going to clean and lube this one too.
Getting ready to dig into a 5" Shop King that could be a little time consuming.
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I also got this little No. 766 Stanley table clamper at the same place which I'm impressed with. 3" Jaws, 9 Lbs. It has the build quality of a big vise in a small package. It's stamped FINE ARTS on the side but I'm not really sure what that means. It works great and is in very nice mechanical condition but I'm just going to clean and lube this one too.
Getting ready to dig into a 5" Shop King that could be a little time consuming.
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drivesitfar
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Balane: i think i saw that Stanley listed for sale for maybe a good week or two, but it didn't look nearly as nice as when you take pictures of it. looks like a strong little clamp on vise. nice score on the Record if it was keeping it company and don't remember seeing that one so happy to see it found the stump.
JKB: thanks for the Prentiss patent information. I'm still trying to figure out Prentiss' numbering system. i have a couple single digit vises that are maybe 1920's and a #92 or #93 that is late 1800's. not sure when they switched from the single bolt to the standard mount or swivel base, but maybe that is part of the 1911 patent?
All: Tedsters has a thumb screw in the end of his Prentiss vise and I've seen many many vises with holes there. Were those holes that are usually threaded done at the factory or is that a modification the owners did when they got tired of pinching fingers?
JKB: thanks for the Prentiss patent information. I'm still trying to figure out Prentiss' numbering system. i have a couple single digit vises that are maybe 1920's and a #92 or #93 that is late 1800's. not sure when they switched from the single bolt to the standard mount or swivel base, but maybe that is part of the 1911 patent?
All: Tedsters has a thumb screw in the end of his Prentiss vise and I've seen many many vises with holes there. Were those holes that are usually threaded done at the factory or is that a modification the owners did when they got tired of pinching fingers?
alinc100
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Picked up this Yost #32 today at a sale for $40 along with a yet unpictured Ridge Tool Co 61CP for $150. I am awaiting some help to lift the Ridge out of the truck. Currently I cannot separate the dynamic jaw from the casting to make it easier to lift. I am afraid it might fall off the tailgate if I don't wait for help.
