This one just like mine popped up on C/L today hopefully it ends up sith someone here.
http://smd.craigslist.org/tls/4908475804.html
http://smd.craigslist.org/tls/4908475804.html
let's see your craftsman block grinders
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harleybuilder
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It's been on there over a week. I had a deal made on it last week until the shipping cost (over $90) killed it.
bczygan
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The CA 3/4-HP m-397.19450 Block arrive today, 1-day early.
Funny though, FedEx usually knocks/rings and just splits. This time he waited, but no package. He said he just b=needed to check the address, which was off by 1 digit.
As he brought it out of the truck, I noticed the box was really trashed.Well, I opened it while he waited and noted there was NO packing. As you'll see in the following pics. it was bolted to a 1/2" piece of plywood and came out just a little worse for the trip.
Anyway, here are the pics. as it arrived today.
The plastic lamp cover didn't survive. New one from SearsPartsDirect is on it's way ($11.43, tax & shipping included).
The metal lamp cover is a bit bent, but useable.
The LH spark arrester was jammed into the stone. It will get a close inspection, ring test, and most likely replaced.
The RH spark arrester was jammed into the stone, because it was rubbing against the stone. It will get a close inspection, ring test, and most likely replaced.
Close-up of RH rear corner of the plywood.
It starts a bit slow and growls more than my other 3/4-HP or 1-HP Blocks, the stones run true {luckily the arbor/shafts don't seem to be impacted by the impact(s)}, and it runs-on an extraordinarily long time.
The other damage I noticed is the lamp socket knob is bent. A new one is on it's way from Amazon. {Pass & Seymour 918CC10 Medium Base Replacement Socket 250-watt 250-volt, $7.03 & Free shipping}
I haven't decided weather to file a damage claim. For 1 thing, the seller used a UPS box. He did call from UPS to say they didn't use accounts to ship. He had misunderstood and had gone there instead of FedEx.
I am thinking he took it to FedEx in the single walled UPS box and the Block was shipped as-is, no FedEx prep. and packing.
Thanks for looking.
I told him to at least mount it to plywood. Imagine if he had just stuck it in a box...
Koditten hasn't made it to the post office yet, I just notified him yesterday. He plans on going tomorrow.
torqueman2002
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Builder - Sorry to hear your deal didn't go through. I really like my pre-Block m-115.
That's twice what FedEx has been charging to pack & ship Ground from Michigan.
Perhaps the seller could check with FedEx for you?
torqueman2002
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BB - best of luck.
I've had a couple of damage claims/possible claim with FedEx.
All kidding aside, we're all hoping it turns out OK in the end for you.
torqueman2002
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Yes. I think it turned out much better this way, thanks for the assist.
I'm thinking it maybe a good enhancement to my shipping of Blocks. Worth the little added weight/cost.
torqueman2002
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Nice looking combination.Finally had a chance to drag this 1/3 out of storage.
Think I may mount this one on the Crown Top stand.
drivesitfar
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TM: i'd probably ask the sell for the money to replace those parts you had to order if there wasn't any other packing material other than the piece of plywood. I've packed a few vises and shipped via Fed Ex, UPS and USPS and here's an example of mine. i'm not sure how i'll ship a box, but guessing i'll take off the shields, wheel covers and wheels and tuck the light in nicely. So Fed Ex didn't charge you to pack the grinders you have shipped?
BB: did you ever get a tracking #? i hope everything is ok too and I still think it's hard to get a block out of Michigan without it touching TM's hands.
ALL: anybody have any pictures of a block grinder getting ready to ship in a box or one you have received even if it was a NOS one? i have so far always put a piece of plywood on the bottom of the vises I've shipped and bolted the vise to it because i'd hate to have the buyer open up a box i shipped and have a broken foot off his new (old) vise.
BB: did you ever get a tracking #? i hope everything is ok too and I still think it's hard to get a block out of Michigan without it touching TM's hands.
ALL: anybody have any pictures of a block grinder getting ready to ship in a box or one you have received even if it was a NOS one? i have so far always put a piece of plywood on the bottom of the vises I've shipped and bolted the vise to it because i'd hate to have the buyer open up a box i shipped and have a broken foot off his new (old) vise.
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The shipping cost was from FedEx. He sent me a picture of the printout that Fedex gave him. I was very shocked.Builder - Sorry to hear your deal didn't go through. I really like my pre-Block m-115.
That's twice what FedEx has been charging to pack & ship Ground from Michigan.
Perhaps the seller could check with FedEx for you?
mtwaterguy
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No pics, but mine came mounted to plywood. Stones removed, covers replaced to help protect shafts. Lamp parts removed and in bag with tray. All pieces in box with packing material filling voids. Perfect job, resulted in no damage.
drivesitfar
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BB: the last time i used a USPS flat rate box i set on the counter with the ticket i'd made at home. the gal said she'd take care of it and since the boxes had 70 pounds of steel dumbbells in each one i wasn't too worried about somebody sneaking off with them. i did wonder though and it was on Friday morning. i live in Seattle and the boxes arrived in New Jersey Monday morning and i was totally amazed. hopefully you'll solve the mystery because it sounds like TM has given your block its blessing to meet you in person.
MT: good idea to take the wheels off and then replace the wheel covers back on for a little extra protection and easier to repair or replace a bent shield than a shaft.
MT: good idea to take the wheels off and then replace the wheel covers back on for a little extra protection and easier to repair or replace a bent shield than a shaft.
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torqueman2002
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Drives,
When I sell and ship Blocks, I leave the choice of box and packing to the FedEx store.
There have been 2 exceptions. The last 2 Blocks I bought from distant CL sellers. One did an excellent packing job on the nearly new 3/4-HP and took it to FedEx. And the one I just received.
That one arrived in a UPS box!
No wonder it was beat up by FedEx!
The seller had called me from UPS saying that they don't use accounts. He misunderstood my directions/request to take it to FedEx. I'm thinking he got the box at UPS and took it to the FedEx store and they just slapped a label on it.
I should go after somebody for the damages, but I've just been through a claim as the seller/shipper.
The damage to this 3/4-HP from CA, luckily was minimal. And I'll absorb the cost and consider it part of the price. If it was more damage to an irreplaceable part, that would be different and worth the effort and time.
Putting the Block onto the 1/2" piece of plywood saved this Big Boy.
I've learned a few things to help these Blocks better survive their trips.
Today I sent out a 1/2-HP flat top Block and stripped off all the hardware, and lamp shades. They were then wrapped separately in bubble wrap, as well as the goose neck.
I did leave the stones and wheel guard covers in place. I've seen 1 or 2 New In Box Blocks packed that way.
I do think there's something to be said for removing the stones, but I don't know how to protect them in the box. Maybe leave it to FedEx and ask for a 16"x16"x16" box.
I much rather spend the $$ to better protect these Blocks, than file a claim and make money on damage claims.
When I sell and ship Blocks, I leave the choice of box and packing to the FedEx store.
There have been 2 exceptions. The last 2 Blocks I bought from distant CL sellers. One did an excellent packing job on the nearly new 3/4-HP and took it to FedEx. And the one I just received.
That one arrived in a UPS box!
No wonder it was beat up by FedEx! The seller had called me from UPS saying that they don't use accounts. He misunderstood my directions/request to take it to FedEx. I'm thinking he got the box at UPS and took it to the FedEx store and they just slapped a label on it.
I should go after somebody for the damages, but I've just been through a claim as the seller/shipper.
The damage to this 3/4-HP from CA, luckily was minimal. And I'll absorb the cost and consider it part of the price. If it was more damage to an irreplaceable part, that would be different and worth the effort and time.
Putting the Block onto the 1/2" piece of plywood saved this Big Boy.
I've learned a few things to help these Blocks better survive their trips.
Today I sent out a 1/2-HP flat top Block and stripped off all the hardware, and lamp shades. They were then wrapped separately in bubble wrap, as well as the goose neck.
I did leave the stones and wheel guard covers in place. I've seen 1 or 2 New In Box Blocks packed that way.
I do think there's something to be said for removing the stones, but I don't know how to protect them in the box. Maybe leave it to FedEx and ask for a 16"x16"x16" box.
I much rather spend the $$ to better protect these Blocks, than file a claim and make money on damage claims.
torqueman2002
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I wonder what gives.
That is so much more than what the FedEx store in MI is charging.
Today I sent a 1/2-HP ftop Block m-397.19340 from 48334 to Rockford, IL. 61109, for $37.10. FedEx packed and shipping.
torqueman2002
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The packages I've sent USPS don't have the frequent status updates as do the ones I've sent FedEx.
I'm thinking it will be at your place soon.
The waiting is not easy, is it?
Was that the 1/2hp Cap Start I sent you from Illinois? That sounds like how I pack them. Matthew
harleybuilder
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Here is the picture he sent me of the FedEx shipping estimate. [emoji15]I wonder what gives.
That is so much more than what the FedEx store in MI is charging.
Today I sent a 1/2-HP ftop Block m-397.19340 from 48334 to Rockford, IL. 61109, for $37.10. FedEx packed and shipping.
I assume maybe individual owned shipping center? ?
torqueman2002
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'individual owned shipping center?' - That would be my guess.Here is the picture he sent me of the FedEx shipping estimate. [emoji15]
I assume maybe individual owned shipping center? ?
$71.30 for FedEx ground, is there a weight?
The other differences I see are:
- Peanut fill - [not recommended for large heavy items as they will shift during shipping] -- local FedEx first wraps Blocks in several layers of bubble then packs brown packing/wrapping paper on all 6 sides to immobilize the grinder. You want a minimum of 2" on all 6 sides.
- box is 18"x14.5"x12" - [That does not allow for the FedEx recommended minimum 2" on all 6 sides] -- local FedEx uses 16"x16"x16" and 20"x20"x20"
- Packing labor - [not a significant amount, probably 2 - 3 tenths of an hour] -- FedEx does not itemize the labor, just materials. It must be already in the 'overhead'.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4516788&postcount=3761
BTW - Here's a rtop early Block about 2 hours from me. Seller just re-listed it. I talked to him several weeks ago, he was not interested in selling just the grinder, maybe time has changed his mind.
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/hvo/4927940810.html
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torqueman2002
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BD - Nice .....Here's my new Blockhead...
tease!
Details, details and lots more pictures.
If it is a NIB, how very timely.
Could you help us Block heads with pics. of how it is/was packed from the factory?
torqueman2002
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Here's the latest update to the Want/Wish List.
Please let me know if there are corrections, updates to be made.
For more information the Want/Wish List Process, see: 01/03/2015 GJ (post #3761). Last updated on: March 12, 2015
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4516788&postcount=3761
Please let me know if there are corrections, updates to be made.
For more information the Want/Wish List Process, see: 01/03/2015 GJ (post #3761). Last updated on: March 12, 2015
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4516788&postcount=3761
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bczygan
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The NOS 1HP I got from the Pittsburgh area came in it's original box.
If I remember correctly, it had fairly thick and sturdy cardboard construction that was musty from decades of storage. The bottom may have had an extra layer. Stones were left in place, but guards and light shields and tray were plastic bagged and packed in separate compartments created by vertical pieces of cardboard, also thick material. No other packing or peanuts or anything.
I've got photos somewhere.
I like the plywood idea and would even mount on the rubber feet, or a layer of foam or cardboard, to provide shock protection. Leave stones and guards on. Wrap lamp around body and cushion. Fill all voids with peanuts. Maybe an extra layer of cardboard or foam on top.
Label top with "THIS SIDE UP" "FRAGILE". Use big red letters. Maybe a commercial label or print on computer.
Put shipping label on top, so they don't have to turn box over to read it.
I would make the plywood slightly bigger than the block outside dimensions to give a little crush zone all around, in case they ignore the this side up label.
Perhaps a little instructable with photos, we could send to people who are shipping to us, would help.
Bill (Former shipping clerk)
If I remember correctly, it had fairly thick and sturdy cardboard construction that was musty from decades of storage. The bottom may have had an extra layer. Stones were left in place, but guards and light shields and tray were plastic bagged and packed in separate compartments created by vertical pieces of cardboard, also thick material. No other packing or peanuts or anything.
I've got photos somewhere.
I like the plywood idea and would even mount on the rubber feet, or a layer of foam or cardboard, to provide shock protection. Leave stones and guards on. Wrap lamp around body and cushion. Fill all voids with peanuts. Maybe an extra layer of cardboard or foam on top.
Label top with "THIS SIDE UP" "FRAGILE". Use big red letters. Maybe a commercial label or print on computer.
Put shipping label on top, so they don't have to turn box over to read it.
I would make the plywood slightly bigger than the block outside dimensions to give a little crush zone all around, in case they ignore the this side up label.
Perhaps a little instructable with photos, we could send to people who are shipping to us, would help.
Bill (Former shipping clerk)
torqueman2002
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BcZ: Good ideas and information.
I remember your NIB and the pics. Now, what did I do with the link?
In the meanwhile;
Here's a link to a NIB 1/3-HP that Wayne_In_Akron posted.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4560686&postcount=3962
I remember your NIB and the pics. Now, what did I do with the link?
In the meanwhile;
Here's a link to a NIB 1/3-HP that Wayne_In_Akron posted.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4560686&postcount=3962
BD - Nice .....
tease!
Details, details and lots more pictures.
If it is a NIB, how very timely.
Could you help us Block heads with pics. of how it is/was packed from the factory?
I will do so. I won't have time until Friday night or Saturday to get more pics, but I do have these additional teasers.
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I actually have two that came in bolted to plywood, but yours had all of the safety measures described. Thanks again for a great packing job, Mike.
firemanast
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Finally finished the Pre Block and the stand.
Also I would to thank torqueman for the stand !
Also I would to thank torqueman for the stand !
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torqueman2002
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Nice job!
Did you post what brand and color paints you used?
I'd like to keep a record of it for future reference.
Again -
firemanast
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Nice job!
Did you post what brand and color paints you used?
I'd like to keep a record of it for future reference.
Again -
X-O Rust Bronze XOP32 125798 and Rustoleum Pro Dark Brown 7548
Thanks to pendragon 1998 !
torqueman2002
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harleybuilder
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No worries.Yes you are!
My mistake, early morning post and too little java. Sorry.
McBrownie
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Fireman,
Wow! That really turned out nice.
You put a ton of work into that and it shows. Nice job.torqueman2002
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My comments are in Blue.
I will do so. I won't have time until Friday night or Saturday to get more pics, but I do have these additional teasers.Nice and thanks. I'm looking forward to your posts.
BTW - I checked my 'library' for a pdf copy of your manual m-397.19391 and did not get a hit. That means it is probably not on the Vintage Machinery website. Please consider submitting a scanned copy for uploading to their Publication Reprints clearing house.
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=222&tab=3
montanafordman
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speaking of all this shipping stuff - I recently sold some 1/3 hp block parts on ebay, it was essentially the shell (L&R halves, L&R inside guards and center sheetmetal w/switch) without the motor or armature inside or the outside guards... It took a big enough box, and still weighed enough that UPS cost me 33 dollars to ship - and with what I got from the auction, minus fees it COST me probably 5 bucks? I really wanted to just throw it out but I feel good it will help someone fix up theirs instead since some of those parts are no longer available. It cost me some time and money, but I didn't throw it out, and its no longer taking up space in my garage so I guess its still a win... I might have saved a bit going with USPS but it wouldn't even fit in a large flat rate box so its hard to say. I also was sure to go to a UPS shipping terminal rather than a UPS store because they seem to charge more.Ss95003
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I guess this is a good spot for a first post. I've been on GJ for a while as just a lurker. But anyways I'm the one that bought that. Mainly bought it cause the model plate looked to be in good shape.
I also just bid a ridiculously high amount on the 1/2 hp commercial grade that just sold on eBay. I had a beer league hockey game tonight and missed auction end. Thought my crazy bid was high enough to win it. Someone just paid $400 shipped for that.
montanafordman
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Cool! Well I hope it works out ok for ya, and arrives in good shape. I used some boxes on hand and figured it was a durable enough piece to survive the way I packed it. I was shocked to see how many views and watches those grinder parts that I have sold got, so you would probably make money selling the inside wheel guards, or left and right halves separately. In hind sight thats what I should have done, sold the individual pieces that would each fit in a medium size flat rate box. Thats amazing that a commercial sold for $400 on ebay. I assume it was NOS for that price? You're encroaching on Baldor money there. Anyhow welcome to the forum!
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Ss95003
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Not NOS, it was in very good orignal shape, but not blemish free.
I think the final price was $362 plus shipping. Shipping to me was $42. so even my max bid of $359.99 was really high. I just put that in thinking it would be enough to cover a crazy last second bid, and I would be semi ok with the price.
And for reselling, as it's been pointed out to me I am a lot better at buying stuff then selling. I will likely just hold onto the parts incase I pick up a damaged or missing parts grinder.
firemanast
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Firemanast Nice job
We need details on the rubber feet!
I bought the rubber pads off E Bay http://www.ebay.com/itm/331233807165?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT. I then installed spacers to bring the pads below the stand base. They work really well. The stand does not move at all with the grinder running. Also thanks to all for the compliments.
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