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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.

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Pretty awesome builds in here. I recently sold an antique lapidary machine to replace it with an old grinder, and stumbled on this thread & site for the first time. I spent maybe two days drilling through various threads here and discovering all kinds of things I "need" now. Hahaha. I keep looking for old tools for sale, only to never be able to grab them...and Just NOW realized why. We both live in the same town. :) Need to see your shop in person some day.
 
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Well I have only quickly perused your 159 pages!! When I come across a LOT of spare time I'll properly read through it.

But I love the path you have taken, all the small details done to your garage to add up to the (current) final result is amazing and a credit to your imagination/skill/dedication, and whatever other trait you feel helped get you here.

Will be referencing this for ideas in the future. Great job.
 

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My apologies if this is a re-post. I'm brand new to this forum and this thread seemed especially relevant. I'm in possession of several vintage Craftsman shop tools and I'm suspicious that to some folks these are sought after. Any information about how significant a find this was will be greatly appreciated.
Long story---Dad was given these, he gave them to me, then stored under a tarp for 5 more years....
Bronze color 1959 Sears Craftsman ACCRA Radial Arm Saw in what appears to be excellent shape, with saber saw attachment, sitting on a matching three drawer steel stand with drop down front, lockable cover and Anti-kick back device.
Also a matching (Bronze) 10" tilting arbor table saw with motor (not attached) that is also in very good shape.
And what appears to be referred to as a Craftsman 2-wheel (band) saw. This stuff came with the 1959 Sears Power Tool Catalog, the vinyl bound RAS owners manual (still inside the original paper envelope). I had no idea a RAS could do so much. Wouldn't have thought to keep these things as I'm not much of a woodworker but this thing can do so much that I'm beginning to think about keeping it. Again, any information about the desirability, dangerousness, value will be greatly appreciated.
 

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My apologies if this is a re-post. I'm brand new to this forum and this thread seemed especially relevant. I'm in possession of several vintage Craftsman shop tools and I'm suspicious that to some folks these are sought after. Any information about how significant a find this was will be greatly appreciated.
Long story---Dad was given these, he gave them to me, then stored under a tarp for 5 more years....
Bronze color 1959 Sears Craftsman ACCRA Radial Arm Saw in what appears to be excellent shape, with saber saw attachment, sitting on a matching three drawer steel stand with drop down front, lockable cover and Anti-kick back device.
Also a matching (Bronze) 10" tilting arbor table saw with motor (not attached) that is also in very good shape.
And what appears to be referred to as a Craftsman 2-wheel (band) saw. This stuff came with the 1959 Sears Power Tool Catalog, the vinyl bound RAS owners manual (still inside the original paper envelope). I had no idea a RAS could do so much. Wouldn't have thought to keep these things as I'm not much of a woodworker but this thing can do so much that I'm beginning to think about keeping it. Again, any information about the desirability, dangerousness, value will be greatly appreciated.

As described in your post, you are in possession of real treasures. I would never let them get away, especially them being my dad's. Even the catalog and manuals are highly desirable. If you do sell, make sure you research the market.


Would love to see pics of them.

Best Regards
Herb Spencer
 

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thanks for the response. I'll try to attach some pics. If successful, I'll be grateful for any pearls of wisdom or suggestions about how (if I decide to do so) I might go about setting an asking price and making them available to a buyer who is going to make good use of them.
 

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tacoma todd,

You my friend have the cadillac of the early craftsman line. And, from the photos, they are in terrific condition. Do your homework on their value, you may be surprised.
 

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I was browsing the latest additions on the Craftsman photo index and I came across an absolutely stunning find, a 9" Craftsman/Atlas cabinet/floor saw from 1940-1941:

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This picture particularly does it justice by highlighting the magnificent traditional 'skyscraper' art deco frequently found in the industrial sector at this point in time.



Owner states it passes the nickel and penny test with ease -

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Just thought I'd share this amazing find with you all. I'm hoping mine is somewhere out there!:willy_nil:beer:

Red Leader,

For the uninformed amongst us (me), could you please expound on the significance of the 'nickel' and 'penny' test?

Thanks!

The motor with blade run so smoothly and so perfectly balanced that there is no vibration so that a nickel and penny can be balanced on the table when the motor is running.

And for a saw that old, that is impressive!

I'm glad that was explained, and I had to look at it 5 or 6 times to see the nickel and penny standing up on edge. The pic made them look flat and oblong. I'll be alright :lol:
 

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Red Leader I hope all is well but I'm sure you have just been busy with other endeavors as of late. I've finely made my way from page one to the end and I can not express enough my gratitude for all that you have compiled here for us all to read and see. As many others have stated you've talked me into searching for more old tools and have even given many options on what to look for. Which is much better than before when it was just an open "find old tools and buy them". While reading I found a few neat options and ended up buying this Craftsman 100 drill press, it doesn't have the cool features you are looking for so I don't feel bad about keeping it for myself.
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A couple of other things, your little boy is only about a week older than my first daughter, and your little girl is only about 2 weeks older than my second daughter. So I know exactly what you have going on with those other commitments. What I've found that works for me is going to bed when the kids do at about 8:30 then waking up early to get some work done before they wake up in the morning. Not ideal because when it is cold out you get the worst of it, but in the summer is better than working in 100 degree days. Anyway keep up the good work and please let us know of the happenings in your fine little garage.
 

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Hey Red Leader, I just finished this amazing thread (finally) but once I started I couldn't stop reading it. Love the build and especially the tools! I am a metalworking guy myself, wood and I do not get a long very well, but I can't resist the look of the old tools. Keep up the good work and look forward to getting to know everyone on this thread.
 
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As posted from OWWM -

Wow...what a day.

For whatever reason (probably kids and time) I have been in an indefinite 'off-season' with arn (or, at least, arn acquisition) and a decently full garage kept me from getting too inspired.

That all changed yesterday.

I get home from work and casually check my email. I have an email from a local buddy and OWWMer (aka enabler) and he sends me a C/L link asking me if the said link is to that of a planer I've been looking for.

Not just any planer, but a very, very rare Craftsman 12" planer that was only found in the 1956-1957 general line catalogs manufactured by Belsaw for Craftsman. So rare, in fact, that after researching it, I've never even come across an actual picture of one in the wild. Nobody knows its actual model number, there are no additions of it to the mothership and doing a search online turns up nothing, at least nothing past the early 1970s.

And 'looking for' is relative, as this has been a quest tool of mine for 3+ years, when I learned of such a tool.

Here is what it looks like, straight from the Craftsman catalogs of the mid 1950s -

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It's no Parks. And that price tag is about $5000 in todays money!

So, due to its rarity, I've become accustomed to seeing a lot of 1970s belsaw planers sent my way from wonderful folks asking if its something I am looking for. I never have taken any of that for granted and it always floors and humbles me that people would be so kind to be 'on the lookout' for me.

So, needless to say, when I saw his email, images of 1970s belsaw planers danced through my head.


Until I opened the link.


And what I found, was this:


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The next few moments were me running around the house screaming. I had been caught completely off guard. There it was.

I was blown away. I spoke with the PO who was a very nice older gentleman and fellow arn gatherer. We talked of meeting up asap and that just happened to be the next day.

That way yesterday and this is today:

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It is still in the back of the vehicle. I'm working myself up...to getting all 700lbs of it out :)


It is in good condition. It runs and well. It is operational, with very little rust. It is nearly complete. The feed speed handle knob is a pool ball, the original Cutler Hammer switch has no guts in it and there was a modification to the back of the cabinet - one of the previous owners cut a square hole in the sheet metal to gain access to the motor. I don't know which is more remarkable - that the planer had little to no way to access the motor from the sheet metal cabinet base or that the modification was cut cleanly and with a little work will be a very nice and workable addition to the planer.

For those of you that geek out as much as me:

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I can now confirm the model number of this planer - it is 306.23740


The real gem of this planer is the motor. It is a mammoth of a motor - a 3HP repulsion/induction, single phase - the original Craftsman motor:

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As you can see, the motor matches the tag on the outside of the machine as well.

And, this motor is big:

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There was NO way I was getting this thing in the back of the vehicle with the motor in place, so we removed the motor. And to remove the motor, we actually removed the planer from the motor, to be accurate.

My plans (eventually) would be to replace bearings (motor and cutterhead), find the guts to the C/H switch, new wiring, clean up tags, repaint, find new knob, and do a little fab work to clean up the homemade access door but keep it intact and document all of it. It doesn't have to be a showpiece, but I would like to get it back to as original a state as possible.

So, thus ends a 3+ year quest and opens up a new journey to discover more about one of Craftsman's long lost hidden treasures. Hopefully, as more light is shed on this tool, more might start to come out of the woodwork! A hearty thanks to Todd for remembering my obsession, casually sending me a harmless link, and giving me a gentle push back off of a very steep slope! I appreciate you man!

EDIT: looks like I'll need to cross this one off the list in my signature!
 

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That is awesome, you are a very lucky man and I for one am happy for you. Now get out in that garage and get to working on cleaning it up for us all to drool over.
JB
 

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Congratulations!! That looks like a serious example of "Made in the USA". Too bad it is hard to find (or afford) similar modern items these days.

You must have driven during rush hour if the final leg of the quest required the cooler. To think that one of your dream machines was across town this whole time. Oy.
 
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback. And a bit of an update of sorts...

I have been very inactive in the shop recently (surprise surprise). Most of that has been due to a few reasons: kids, music projects and new job.

I have learned that I just can't spend the same amount of time that I used to out there and still support the family like I need to. I think that's a call I'm willing to make.

The music stuff...well that has been a long road and it has eaten up a lot of my free time whenever I get it, but I'm finally starting to see some breaks there.

Another thing is that the garage/tool stuff has just been off my radar. Its werid, I don't know if some of you are like this, but it seems that I have so many hobbies (too many!) that a lot of them go into 'off-season' when I am doing other things (like the music stuff) and the garage/shop has definitely been in off season. But many times, it only takes one event to get it back to the forefront. This planer was that event.

I've got some stuff I need to sell out there, a vehicle I need to work on in there, and a LOT of cleaning from neglecting it out there. I still have basically zero budget to do anything, so I just need to be really creative with what I do out there. I'm thinking that I just need to do a purge and start getting rid of stuff. Kind of go with a less is more philosophy. As far as tools go, the list keeps getting smaller! Here is what the quest list is looking like right now:

Bandsaw - found (18" Craftsman)
Planer - found (12" Craftsman)
Table saw - still looking for Craftsman 101.02180 9" cabinet saw and Walker Turner TA1165 cabinet saw
Jointer - I have the Delta, but I want to move to the Walker Turner P907 whenever the opportunity comes up.
Jigsaw - found (Craftsman 20")
Drill press - ?? Good question. There are a bunch that I am drawn to, but not really sure where this one will take me. The Atlas, for a bench press, is a keeper though!
Grinder - found (Craftsman art deco style)
Radial Arm Saw - found (Red Star 40A)
Lathe - ?? Another one up in the air

My goal is not to have a ton of duplicates or fill the shop up to where I cannot using anything. Not sure what I'm going to do with that Walker Turner band saw. I can see having 2 band saws and 2 drill presses and having both a metalworking and woodworking setup. Space is limited though. I feel like I might have a paradigm shift at some point soon.

There is still a lot of work that needs to be done out in the shop. I need to do a total clean-up/clean-out and then get rid of a few things:

Craftsman Accra-arm radial saw base
K-Line K2000 planer
Walker-Turner band saw?
motorcycle (I know...sad...but I just don't ride it anymore!)

Those things take up a heck of a lot of room. Also, once I get the 4runner back together, I won't have parts lying all over the place.


So, sorry for the lack up updates, but with the warm weather coming up (ha, it's snowing right now), it will be garage season! We are also talking about building a shed in the backyard which will take a lot of lawn and garden type items out of the garage.

Here's hoping I'm a little more active this year! Thanks for your continued support!:thumbup:
 

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Nice find Red Leader !! :thumbup: 3 yr search is well worth it.

Got to add one more item to your "wish" list . . . 5' x 10' utility trailer !! :D

Each score you've somehow squeezed giant machine into tiny vehicle, when a little utility trailer would have been Oh So Nice to transport instead !! :bounce:

Congrats on finding the unicorn planer. Looking forward to refurb.
 
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Thanks! Yeah, I'm super pumped. It was one of those big ones on the list, that I wasn't sure if I would ever really see. After that got into the garage, I started to really struggle with what other really big ticket items were on the quest list. My problem is that the more rare something is, the more challenge it presents, and the greater reward it is when found. That is what draws me.

The fact that not even a picture of one could be found, nobody knew the serial number, no one had documented one...that drew me. The bonus is that it is cool looking and a super solid planer. It will be fabulous to use...if I could just stuff that motor back in the cabinet!:lol:
 
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So I got a little inspired tonight and went out to the garage and just decided to uproot everything and move some big stuff around. Workbench is now back against the back wall and I think that is where it is going to live. Originally, I had tried it back there, but due to where I put it, I had to move the tool chest off to the side wall, which presented an accessibility issue. But, it seems that its location (which is amazingly simple) solves all the problems - I centered it right underneath the art deco shelving. Not only is it aesthetically pleasing because all the design lines flow down to the work bench, but I am able to squeeze both my fridge and the tool chest on the right side of the bench, and the left side has a little pocket that just seems to be waiting for a nice drill press:D

The garage is a disaster, but I'll try to get some pictures up of it soon. It is time for a major spring cleaning. My next challenge is storage. My goal is to build an auxiliary bench out there that can roll halfway under the main bench and that bench will house the bench press, a grinder and maybe a vise. There will be storage underneath its table for some misc tools (maybe hand power tools? ). In addition, I've got storage options that I'm not even utilizing. Those enclosed cabinet bases on my workbench? I just need to finish those and I'll have some great storage!

I'm also going to try to mount my first aid kit up on the wall soon, which will be a nice touch.

Thanks for checking in and looking for updates. We'll have some more coming!
 

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Do not sell the motorcycle. Even if you only get out on it once in a while, you should keep it. Trust me. I sold both of mine a few years back and haven't replaced either yet. I even have permission from the wife. It does take up room but even if you aren't riding much, you can always just stare at it for a while.
 
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Do not sell the motorcycle. Even if you only get out on it once in a while, you should keep it. Trust me. I sold both of mine a few years back and haven't replaced either yet. I even have permission from the wife. It does take up room but even if you aren't riding much, you can always just stare at it for a while.

I hear you, I really do. My neighbor said the same thing.

This is, I last got on the bike back in Oct/Nov and when I did, all I could think about was my son and how dumb I would be if something happened to me, given that it would have been totally avoidable with other alternative transportation fully accessible. For me, it was an active choice to stop riding, as the risk vs reward ratio just got too skewed. Don't get me wrong, I love bikes, I love motorcycles, but it will be 20 years before I ride conscience-free again and in that time I could probably buy another motorcycle:)

And...I could really make use of the space with cool vintage tools:D As with anything, have a good plan in place! ;)
 

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I hear you, I really do. My neighbor said the same thing.



This is, I last got on the bike back in Oct/Nov and when I did, all I could think about was my son and how dumb I would be if something happened to me, given that it would have been totally avoidable with other alternative transportation fully accessible. For me, it was an active choice to stop riding, as the risk vs reward ratio just got too skewed. Don't get me wrong, I love bikes, I love motorcycles, but it will be 20 years before I ride conscience-free again and in that time I could probably buy another motorcycle:)



And...I could really make use of the space with cool vintage tools:D As with anything, have a good plan in place! ;)


This is exactly why I sold my bike. I miss it but I just couldn't enjoy it anymore. So now I fix up a vintage car and old tools and my boys (3 of them) love to help.
 
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Congrats on the find! This thread is what got me into tools and garage journal. You are truly an inspiration! I've never actually posted on this but read it multiple times

Thanks man! That's a very humbling thought I don't know if I can take the credit for that, but still...isn't it just so fun? I mean, look at classic cars. Vintage baseball cards. Victorian houses. Antique musical instruments. All these these are prized valuables that nearly all of the time gain in monetary value monumentally to the point that they are outside the realm of all but the most diehard/rich collectors. And here we are, 2015, and people are still throwing out, selling for scrap, and setting out on the curb the very things we as collectors dearly cherish and value. It is a bittersweet thought for sure but I will definitely look on the 'glass half full' side and appreciate the fact that that since these tools have been so devalued in our current world, it makes them so much more accessible to people like me that really care about them. Yeah, I'll take that!
 
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This is exactly why I sold my bike. I miss it but I just couldn't enjoy it anymore. So now I fix up a vintage car and old tools and my boys (3 of them) love to help.

That's kinda what I was thinking - the motorcycle deal has been a blast, but now maybe I can focus my attention on something like a car/truck that more than just 1 person at a time can enjoy.
 
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Okay, here is my current disaster!

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And here is the 'workbench nirvana' thing I was talking about -

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...and just enough room on the right side for the fridge and tool chest for easy access:

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The closest thing I can use as an analogy to the state my garage is in right now is like the pageant model who let herself go haha:lol: But! She's gonna go on a diet! I'm going to do a spring purge and one of my goals is to get rid of a lot of stuff in the rafters so that I can eventually (either this summer or fall), finish my over-the-garage-door storage and then finish the rest of the ceiling off. A few things I'd like to consider for all this is:

Dust collection system up there somewhere
Air compressor line
Roll up extension cord

We'll see what happens this summer, but the diet is going to start today!:bounce:
 
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With an upcoming purge happening, I'll be throwing up some free stuff if anyone is interested, with pictures. Keep checking back:)
 
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Guys,

Trying to consider getting rid of the W/T band saw. It is going to need a lot of work...all the small parts that were not steel or cast iron melted. It can run again, but it is taking up space and not sure it is something I can tackle right now.

Thoughts?
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I don't know if many of you have heard of Burnsgreen. English, I believe.

My goodness, they made some fabulous tools -

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Speaking of cool bandsaws, this Heston and Anderson is probably one of the most amazing smaller band saws I've ever seen. I'm thinking it is definitely approaching a spot on my quest list:

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Dave, I think the W/T would be a small fortune to get back into good working condition. I say part it out and help complete the other W/T out there. Maybe keep the base and make it into a DP base for your Atlas and stick it right in that corner.

Speaking of which, I love the bench there. Looks like it was designed for that very spot.

Edit: could you mount some lights under that bottom shelf right above the bench?

As for the motorcycle, I get it. I sold mine last spring. Hard to fit a two car seats on it ;)

My motorcycle buddies told me how I would miss it, but honestly I have yet to miss it. I don't think I'm done with have a bike - I think I'm just done for right now.
 

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I have the same w/t without the base so I am biased. I say you should part it out to me. ;) Especially if it has the low speed gear box.

Being as unselfish as I can I would just weigh the project you have and spend your meager time (speaking as a dad with 3 under 10) on the ones you value most. Big projects can weigh you down when they stay unfinished for years. Also said from experience (as I look glumly at my 1963 Ford Fairlane 500).
 
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I have the same w/t without the base so I am biased. I say you should part it out to me. ;) Especially if it has the low speed gear box.

Being as unselfish as I can I would just weigh the project you have and spend your meager time (speaking as a dad with 3 under 10) on the ones you value most. Big projects can weigh you down when they stay unfinished for years. Also said from experience (as I look glumly at my 1963 Ford Fairlane 500).


I'll make you an offer you can't refuse - if you can figure out a way to get it out of my garage in the next month, and take the whole thing, it is yours for free. That includes the two low speed gearboxes I got with it.

I got it for free and free it shall be. I'd love to keep it, but that means replacing the motor, all the pot metal, the upper blade tensioner, and all the tags. I just don't have the resources or time right now. OWWM is a great resource for finding folks to take OWWM across the country.

Think about it and let me know:)
 
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I'll have some more things I'll try and post up today and if you all can figure out a way to get them out of the garage, they are yours:D
 
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Dave, I think the W/T would be a small fortune to get back into good working condition. I say part it out and help complete the other W/T out there. Maybe keep the base and make it into a DP base for your Atlas and stick it right in that corner.

Speaking of which, I love the bench there. Looks like it was designed for that very spot.

Edit: could you mount some lights under that bottom shelf right above the bench?

As for the motorcycle, I get it. I sold mine last spring. Hard to fit a two car seats on it ;)

My motorcycle buddies told me how I would miss it, but honestly I have yet to miss it. I don't think I'm done with have a bike - I think I'm just done for right now.

Yeah, I hear ya man. On all accounts. At first I thought I'd miss the bike, but now just knowing how I feel when I ride it...it is going to be another 20 years before I feel like I would truly be able to enjoy riding again, and a motorcycle is a big thing to just have sitting around for 20 years taking up space, at least in a 2 car garage.

Regarding the light - yes! I am actually going to move a 2 bulb 8T fluorescent light under there and it should fit perfectly. It will also make building my little support columns for the workbench a lot easier, although not quite as ornate. I also have grand plans to do some cool rope lighting around some of the decorative pillars and the top shelves and stuff, but then again, I've had those plans for 4 years:D
 

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I'll make you an offer you can't refuse - if you can figure out a way to get it out of my garage in the next month, and take the whole thing, it is yours for free. That includes the two low speed gearboxes I got with it.

I got it for free and free it shall be. I'd love to keep it, but that means replacing the motor, all the pot metal, the upper blade tensioner, and all the tags. I just don't have the resources or time right now. OWWM is a great resource for finding folks to take OWWM across the country.

Think about it and let me know:)


Wow!! Thanks for the incredible offer. I will look into some options and get back to you as soon as I can. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are close to Denver? My FIL and other family live near there so I may have some options.
 
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Wow!! Thanks for the incredible offer. I will look into some options and get back to you as soon as I can. Correct me if I'm wrong but you are close to Denver? My FIL and other family live near there so I may have some options.

Yep, about 30 min southeast of the actual city of Denver. in the suburb.


If you have folks nearby, that makes it easy. Let me know what you'd like to work out!
 
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