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FMC1959

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Drives / FMC: I have been looking for official specs on the 98 ever since getting one (way too many hours but have seen a lot of interesting stuff along the way) Still have not come up with anything ... I think the advertising for the 98 might be more rare than the vise itself :dunno: The only thing I have been able to quasi-pin-down is that it was mfg'd sometime between 1925-42. But!! I have my 98 in pieces right now so it was easy to weigh:

Lead screw/handle: 22#
Swivel base: 40#
Dynamic: 112#
Static: 144#

Total weight for the Prentiss 98 is 318#

Terrible pictures and obviously not a super scientific scale, but the 318# is really close. I'm thinking they probably marketed it at 320#.

Impressive and a beautiful find you have there :thumbup:
 
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Not to be nosey Junebug, But what line of work did you do when you were in contact with Beryllium?


I worked in a fabrication shop that built everything you could imagine for the Hanford nuke site....interesting work but, hazardous in regards to the materials and chemicals used.

The only way they'll put me down is cut my head off and hide it from me for a week (Superman pose). "I will endeavor to persevere" (borrowed from the movie "Outlaw Josey Wales) :)
 

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Here is my Trojan 704 vise I just got finished painting it. Does anyone know how old it is?

Clay! Sorry I got all wrapped up in the chat about the Prentiss 98 and never mentioned what a GREAT job you did on your Trojan :thumbup: Is that your first restore? Excellent work. I don't know much about that brand but someone here will, for sure. Also, use the "Search This Thread" tool and that might help out. But once again, nice work :) Welcome to the forum!!

EDIT: What kind of paint did you use?!?!?!
 
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No worries. I used rustoleum spray primer and paint I got from menards. Its my first restoration. I found this vise covered in rust in my grandfathers tool shed and he gave it to me. I used a wire wheel on a grinder to get it clean. It has no cracks or anything I have no idea what the value is or the age. I would really like to know more history on Trojan vise. If anyone has any information please let me know. Thanks.
 

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Indian: there are a few Trojan vises that have appeared on this thread the last couple years so do a search and you might find out more information. on the Vise Repair 101 thread on the #2 post that has a list of all the vise companies i had a note on the Trojan that Parker vise company made them. since your Trojan doesn't have the fancy Parker jaws i'm just guessing it's one of their economy lines sort of like Monarch was Prentiss' economy vise line. that said it was probably made in the 1930's or in that range and economy in those days meant very good quality and maybe not excellent.

Write2: your Rock Island vise restore looks great and nice work on the shoulder bolt. can you tell me why the jaws have a gap or is that just on the ends? i do like that Husqvarna orange and besides college colors it could be a Harley motorcycle vise too.

Scott: if you don't like all the movement with that old Parker i'd be happy to trade you a Wilton bullet for it, but i have no idea where you are located. can you put your location in your profile so we'll have some idea even if you just say SW US or Canada instead of city and state. welcome to our group and nice looking vise.

TJ: so you have a Prentiss #98? i thought you had the #58 and happy to hear you have his bigger brother. are you tired of lifting it yet or is it your new exercise program to improve your golf game? i think you need to post a bunch more pictures so i can save them to my laptop. PLEEEEEEEESE and thanks in advance. only 320 pounds? didn't it come with a 200 pound stand too??

Any of the English members can answer this: so Fretter's vise and now Dutch's and maybe Fraggles are all Parkinson for sure? i remember trying to help Fretters figure out what brand his was a few months ago because i have a vice like that too without a name on it if i remember correctly. i thought mine was/is a Record so is Parkinson the only maker of that vice? CW i'm sure you'll have one soon if you really want one.

thanks guys
 

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Dang, not even a guess?

Here's another.
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I picked up this Wilton 450s today for $50, I had no idea about Wilton vises (or any older vises) prior so I am pretty happy to find out they are so desired. I am officially hooked on old USA made vises now.

It's dated 1/77




 

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I worked in a fabrication shop that built everything you could imagine for the Hanford nuke site....interesting work but, hazardous in regards to the materials and chemicals used.

The only way they'll put me down is cut my head off and hide it from me for a week (Superman pose). "I will endeavor to persevere" (borrowed from the movie "Outlaw Josey Wales) :)

Can't keep a good man down. I know they used a lot of that material in the space program. I've seen videos on the making and milling of it. Stronger than steel, light as plastic an unaffected by temps.

Gods speed and best wishes to you and yours.
 

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I picked up this Wilton 450s today for $50, I had no idea about Wilton vises (or any older vises) prior so I am pretty happy to find out they are so desired. I am officially hooked on old USA made vises now.

It's dated 1/77





Welcome and let me be the first to say, You ****! Don't worry it's a good thing around here. That's a smoking deal for a Wilton that size so, you **** again.
I'm actually just starting a restoration on a 400 and your decals will help me get the placement correct once I'm done. Nice find:beer:
 

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Any of the English members can answer this: so Fretter's vise and now Dutch's and maybe Fraggles are all Parkinson for sure? i remember trying to help Fretters figure out what brand his was a few months ago because i have a vice like that too without a name on it if i remember correctly. i thought mine was/is a Record so is Parkinson the only maker of that vice? CW i'm sure you'll have one soon if you really want one.

Yup, they're definitely Parkinson Handy's. Aye, it's that one we had a devil of a time figuring the other month. :D Didn't we guess yours was likely a Paramo, or am I thinking of the wrong one?
 

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You ****!
Although I really don't need it, I'd still love a bullet someday. Thinking an old fixed base Chicago one. I'm going to wait to find one locally though. I don't need one bad enough for what they're worth. Probably be more of a shop decoration than anything lol

you can never have too many tools
 

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Rad: no clue and from the first picture i thought it might be an imported copy of a Wilton and now it looks like it has the old style swivel base from under the bench. i haven't got a clue.

Riley: i pay 4 times that for those old Wilton Bullets and they are worth a bit more than that. you did good, but that will be a tough one to follow. have fun looking and welcome to GJ and our vise squad.

Fretters: good memory and i had it under Paramo and here are the pictures now that we have several others to compare it to. thanks

JB: was some of the metals titanium because i remember playing golf in Tri Cities in the summers 30 to 40 years ago and using that type of steel in my golf shafts. i know i should put on my masks and use ear protection more often because i never used to at all and I'm sure i'd hear and breath better if i had used them years ago.again I (we) hope you find a method to keep you around either making those awesome knives or just helping us if you would like to. cheers
 

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I picked up this Wilton 450s today for $50, I had no idea about Wilton vises (or any older vises) prior so I am pretty happy to find out they are so desired. I am officially hooked on old USA made vises now.

A 450S is just about the perfect size home use Wilton machinist vise...

Any bigger, is almost always too big for the space available...

Lots of 1755/65/80's out there...

Tradesman = weaker than the machinist series...but they do have pipe jaws...

People mistake them for "Bullet vises"...

Folks think they're "Huge vises"...

Nope...big not huge...

Like a Doberman Pinscher is a "Big Dog"...

A St Bernard is a "Huge Dog"...

See the difference in the Tradesman vs Machinist sizes....

Included the cutaway picture, so you can see where all the parts go...

Oh...

And, by the way...

Your price *****!!!

And, so do you!!!

Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
 

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TJ: i think you might have figured out Rad's mystery vise.

UNA3: those Craftsmans are good solid vises. turn it over and does it say Made in Japan on the bottom of it? or is that a made in USA model?
 

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I picked up this Wilton 450s today for $50, I had no idea about Wilton vises (or any older vises) prior so I am pretty happy to find out they are so desired. I am officially hooked on old USA made vises now.

It's dated 1/77






You ****! Welcome to the start of vise collecting.
That's how I got hooked, buying a cheap Wilton. Next thing you know, you'll own close to a dozen or more vises. Great buy!
:thumbup:


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I also have an "identify that vise" pic. This is the only picture I have and the owner said it reads Wilton 7 on it but didn't tell me the jaw width. Does it appear to swivel? For the experts, does the 7 narrow it down to a particular style of Wilton? Thanks!

 

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I also have an "identify that vise" pic. This is the only picture I have and the owner said it reads Wilton 7 on it but didn't tell me the jaw width. Does it appear to swivel? For the experts, does the 7 narrow it down to a particular style of Wilton? Thanks!


Since it has the acorn nuts instead of lockdown handles, it's probably a Wilton Vice Co. Patent Pending No. 4. Those were the earliest of the Wilton's and it appears to be in good shape.
 

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I went to Google for pictures of the Bugatti vise. I found my Miller Falls & stand 6 rows down on the right ? Maybe it is worth more than I thought to be included with the Bugatti's :headscrat
 

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Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner. Good eye.

This belongs to my father-in-law who got it from his dad who bought it new. This has to be the most precision vise I have ever seen. The tolerances and finish are what you would expect to find in an engine. Smooth one finger operation, no side to side play, the jaws mate perfectly. The slide fit is like a hydraulic cylinder. Pretty amazing.

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Here is my Trojan 704 vise I just got finished painting it. Does anyone know how old it is?

I don't know a heck of a lot about it, like Drives said, I read it was an entry level or sub brand of the Parker vises, but still considered to be a solid vise. Could have been a built in the 30's when Parker and many MFR's had financial struggles and looking for something less expensive to increase sales. Could have also been late 50's to early 60's when Union was making the Parker's. They did eventually go to regular jaws on the standard Parker also.

I attached this brochure I had found in the early pages of this thread, but it is not good quality and difficult to make out what's written. Maybe someone has a better copy or another Trojan brochure.
 

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FMC I wish! Unfortunately, my only chance at owning this on is if my father-in-law decides to leave it to me in his will. I'm in no rush to own it, I was happy to have the opportunity to examine it and share it with you guys (and girl occasionally ;) ) I added to the earlier post to give a little more clarification.

Drives I'm not sure if the larger anvil plate seen on the vise in the pics you posted, is something added to the later production or for a special purpose. This one did not have it nor did I see a place for it to attach.
 
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http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/tls/4991641656.html

Saw this ad this morning. HUGE chunk missing on the base. Worth picking up for parts? I've got a call in now...

OK spoke to the seller (she has the most gorgeous Irish accent) and I'm getting more pics with a model#.

Joe,

as much as we love you on here, you really redefine the term "masshole" to something it was really never meant to me. It was once a term used out of anger for those Mass drivers that were perplexed by the simplicity of operating a vehicle. Now its going to be used out of jealousy for the endless supply of large/quality iron you seem to fall over on your way out of bed.

Good find, Joe:beer: Keep them coming
 

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Joe,

as much as we love you on here, you really redefine the term "masshole" to something it was really never meant to me. It was once a term used out of anger for those Mass drivers that were perplexed by the simplicity of operating a vehicle. Now its going to be used out of jealousy for the endless supply of large/quality iron you seem to fall over on your way out of bed.

Good find, Joe:beer: Keep them coming

Boy at first I was afraid to read this comment!:lol_hitti. I never took the term Masshole as a compliment.

I did want opinions. I hate buying broken vises, so often they end up under the bench, and it not like it is 40 bucks.

So I'm not sure i will pick it up. Seller called me, It is a 405, so thats good but an early 3 footed Reed base well that may be a bit more difficult to find. Ask Jakemac about that.

If anyone here wants it I'll pass so you can pick it up.
 

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I have finally made some progress on my American Scale 3". I tend to be a glutton for punishment when it comes to resurrecting things that many would pass on and my first old vise resto or resto/mod in this case is no different. I was basically given this vise so I had nothing to lose in case it didn't work out but I had to at least try. It helps to have the mindset of "don't let perfection get in the way of an improvement" when working with these old broken things.

The before pics show how sad the jaw perches were and the crack on the dynamic slide. I made the best of a bad deal by milling off the jaw perches all together and created a step for the new jaws to rest on. Unfortunately there wasn't a square edge anywhere on the static jaw or the body so I had to rely on the dial indicator and the set-ups took longer than I anticipated. I am hoping the three screws I added to the slide will at least keep the crack from spreading. I also had to drill and tap through both jaws as I wasn't left with many threads even after bottom tapping the holes.












The slightest gap at the bottom of the jaws went away just by applying hand pressure. I was happy with that.








Like I said, there isn't a square edge on this vise. Below you can see how much taper is on the bottom of the static.




The last thing I had to refrain from fixing was the lack of concentricity between the base ring and the static jaw base. Initially I started thinking of how I would go about fixing it. I considered sweeping the hole and shifting over then boring a larger hole then install a bushing but I remembered it has been that way for many years, why bother fixing it now.




My next step is paint. Any suggestions? I know the star used to be red originally and I am thinking the body was perhaps black but not sure.
 
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Joe: i think Jake has been looking for a 4 footed Reed base for a 4 inch vise and pretty sure he's found lots of 3 footed bases. i'll let him chime in on that point. if you can meet a gal with a nice Irish accent and haul off that Reed 405 as you leave so she doesn't have to lift it you will be doing yourself and her a favor. those swivel jaw Reeds are worth saving even if only for parts.

BTW it seems like you are competing with Balane now on the turn around process of getting a vise from the farm fresh stage to like new. congrats and nice work. sorry to hear you are selling the XY table because it will have it's use on almost any DP especially if you take the jaws off the one you are keeping which I've seen on several mill machines.

Rad: sorry my pictures were so small of the Bugatti vise. i think i grabbed them off of Ebay a while back so you might want to do a search and see if you can find them and save them in a different format. your FIL's Bugatti looks amazing.

TJ: nice call on the Bugatti

XC: you did a nice job bringing that old vise back in to working condition. might i add that you maybe should drill a hole at the end of the crack on the slide so it won't crack more. any pictures of that multiple screw fix from the underside so we can see what they look like? sounds like you own a mill, but you are not a welder yet so nice fix with the skills and tools you own.

UNA3: Japan made Craftsman vises are solid and will last a long time if treated like a vise and not an anvil or a press. good luck with the sticking and should only be crud needing to be cleaned up and hopefully not something broken.
 
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I have finally made some progress on my American Scale 3". I tend to be a glutton for punishment when it comes to resurrecting things that many would pass on and my first old vise resto or resto/mod in this case is no different. I was basically given this vise so I had nothing to lose in case it didn't work out but I had to at least try. It helps to have the mindset of "don't let perfection get in the way of an improvement" when working with these old broken things.

The before pics show how sad the jaw perches were and the crack on the dynamic slide. I made the best of a bad deal by milling off the jaw perches all together and created a step for the new jaws to rest on. Unfortunately there wasn't a square edge anywhere on the static jaw or the body so I had to rely on the dial indicator and the set-ups took longer than I anticipated. I am hoping the three screws I added to the slide will at least keep the crack from spreading. I also had to drill and tap through both jaws as I wasn't left with many threads even after bottom tapping the holes.

The slightest gap at the bottom of the jaws went away just by applying hand pressure. I was happy with that.

Like I said, there isn't a square edge on this vise. Below you can see how much taper is on the bottom of the static.

The last thing I had to refrain from fixing was the lack of concentricity between the base ring and the static jaw base. Initially I started thinking of how I would go about fixing it. I considered sweeping the hole and shifting over then boring a larger hole then install a bushing but I remembered it has been that way for many years, why bother fixing it now.

Nice Fix XCMTB83, totally know what you were dealing with, I am going to do the same thing on a couple of my Prentiss's with the square slide crack, I will also braze mine but add the cap screws like you did. Now you have a vise that will serve you.
I painted mine Red and used gold paint for the text and label.
 

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