zoomieport
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I definitely wasn't talking about your restos Balane, yours are beautiful!!!
Classy and classic, Sir!
I watch your auctions all the time!
If I could do as good as you, I'd quit my day job!
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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I definitely wasn't talking about your restos Balane, yours are beautiful!!!
Classy and classic, Sir!
I watch your auctions all the time!
If I could do as good as you, I'd quit my day job!
torqueman2002
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Thanks for the comments, my replies are in Blue.
TM (Doc Block): your Monarch vise made by Prentiss looks great from my chair. nice find and not a common vise.
I like the Lion's Head. Probably most of the reason I bought it.
i thought you said you bought a Reed or is that for another post?
I know, I got the 2 mixed-up, what with the tall smooth jaws.
be careful as i mentioned the vice for vises can be strong especially if your block grinders are asking for friends.
i have a Prentiss #26 that looks similar except it has the swivel jaw and it's called a coachmaker's vise and not used for steel or wasn't made for that purpose.
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CwazyWabbit
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thoughts on this thing?
Listed for $175 on CL.
Thoughts are that most of it is missing, there are a couple of original ads posted earlier today on this thread
From time to time we see the combination repair vices that work as a drill, a grinder, a vice etc. Well I've yet to see one like in the advert below, it has a forge as well
FMC1959
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Here's another "stump"er:
Currently on eBay, really interested but the vise funds aren't quite there right now
The seller says that each of those "fingers" in the rear jaw has about 3/*" of independent movement and that they firm up with steel shot housed under the "please don;t use me as an anvil" portion.
Anyone have any info on this???
I would love to see one in person and see how it operates. Really cool find
FMC1959
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zoomieport
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Drives, that is a fine looking family you have there
Agreed!!!
And Miss Kara is about to receive a vise, with her name on it!
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balane
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Thanks everybody, I was just trying to explain my thoughts when refinishing vises for sale.
I'm not a vise collector, or any kind of collector really. I have just the one vise I use every day on my bench and that's a 6" Parker 976A with a Wilton 800S swivel base. I've had a couple of our machinist members here make some parts for me. Ritzblitz did the handle. KMScott cut me a brass thrust washer and the swivel plate that allowed me to attach the base properly.
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I'm not a vise collector, or any kind of collector really. I have just the one vise I use every day on my bench and that's a 6" Parker 976A with a Wilton 800S swivel base. I've had a couple of our machinist members here make some parts for me. Ritzblitz did the handle. KMScott cut me a brass thrust washer and the swivel plate that allowed me to attach the base properly.
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FMC1959
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A lot of valid points & opinions by everyone, I agree mostly with Mark & Balane.
There are for sure collectable items where refinishing or painting them kills the value. But like Mark mentions with cars, beautifully restored vehicles always bring in big bucks.
The same with vises. The big Parker 978 that Kevin had made the 8" jaws for, that went for $2000 (drives I think recalls who the buyer was), would never have gone for that kind of money unrestored, maybe 25% of the price unrestored?
Like Balane also said, there are tons of unrestored vises available for not much money, and many (on this thread) buy them and flip them for more.
The market for the item will determine what the value is and the condition buyers are looking for.
vintage nut
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Well I'm going to try to bake another coat of paint on the mill vise today. The truck is eating into my tool budget a fair bit here... Also needs a new battery, new upper rad hose, and hopefully not new injectors.... So much for seeing the snapon guy soon lol
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
trijeff
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Thinking that Balane's green Bic is the most photographed lighter ever - bet that thing could tell some great stories!! Pretty surprised you just have the one vise - that is REALLY impressive considering the self-control one must have to pass on the huge number of gems that have passed thru your workshop.
ALL: good chatter regarding the do-I or don't-I restore question, love seeing everyone's opinions.
ALL: good chatter regarding the do-I or don't-I restore question, love seeing everyone's opinions.
drivesitfar
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FMC: thanks for the good words about 3 of my bigger vices. they are all heading in a positive direction which is a good thing in my book. Big Parker 958 is resting in North Dakota maybe in his owner's dining room. i'll let him post new pictures, but here are a few took in Arizona before he hauled it home.
Zoomie: you are awesome and Kara will wonder what the heck i'm giving her for her upcoming college graduation so i better put a few Benjamins inside it for her. i'm sure when i go to her place to bend some part of her titanium wheel chair back straight because she popped a wheelie or took a corner too quick or just threw it in the back seat of her car onto something hard to bend it then she will then like that vise a lot more. when we named her we were running out of names because she is a twin and we already had 3 kids so we thought we sort of made up that name. In the 25 years since Kara has been around we've met and seen the name more than a few times.
thanks again for your gesture of kindness
Balane: didn't Kevin also make your Parker's jaws too? for a $20 vise it sure looks awesome, but it's sort of like McBrownie's $20 craftsman block that he might have 4+ Benjamins in it now to look like your Parker does today. as someone that has seen your before and after vises up close you do amazing work and thanks for sharing your pictures and secrets as you keep sharpening your skills. BTW i forgot to give you kudos for that 2 inch Athol and are you going to maybe keep that one since it won't take up much room?
Zoomie: you are awesome and Kara will wonder what the heck i'm giving her for her upcoming college graduation so i better put a few Benjamins inside it for her. i'm sure when i go to her place to bend some part of her titanium wheel chair back straight because she popped a wheelie or took a corner too quick or just threw it in the back seat of her car onto something hard to bend it then she will then like that vise a lot more. when we named her we were running out of names because she is a twin and we already had 3 kids so we thought we sort of made up that name. In the 25 years since Kara has been around we've met and seen the name more than a few times.
thanks again for your gesture of kindness
Balane: didn't Kevin also make your Parker's jaws too? for a $20 vise it sure looks awesome, but it's sort of like McBrownie's $20 craftsman block that he might have 4+ Benjamins in it now to look like your Parker does today. as someone that has seen your before and after vises up close you do amazing work and thanks for sharing your pictures and secrets as you keep sharpening your skills. BTW i forgot to give you kudos for that 2 inch Athol and are you going to maybe keep that one since it won't take up much room?
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balane
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I have no use for that 2" Athol, it's up on eBay now and ends Sunday. I've sold a number of nice baby vises, they always seem to do surprisingly well. I can't imagine ever having more than one vise for myself.
The jaws on that Parker are the ones that came on it. I've thought about having new ones made but can't really justify it since they're pretty nice. I have a total of $335 into my Parker now. Went up quite a bit from my original $20 purchase. The swivel adaption was mostly for investment, I never use the swivel feature but I got a good deal on the 8" Wilton base which fits perfectly. The new handle and Kevin's thrust washer make it a real joy to use though.
Thanks for the kind words.
The jaws on that Parker are the ones that came on it. I've thought about having new ones made but can't really justify it since they're pretty nice. I have a total of $335 into my Parker now. Went up quite a bit from my original $20 purchase. The swivel adaption was mostly for investment, I never use the swivel feature but I got a good deal on the 8" Wilton base which fits perfectly. The new handle and Kevin's thrust washer make it a real joy to use though.
Thanks for the kind words.
sbosecker
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FMC1959,
Again, thank you for this information.
Until this morning I had forgotten I had some larger bolts in my "box of many wonders". I could have just done what I will describe in the next paragraph without bothering anyone. Sorry about that.
This morning, remembering that I had a few 5/8" bolts in my parts cabinet, I fetched an appropriate bolt and inserted it into the handle hole. It rattled around quite a bit. I returned the bolt to my accumulation and noticed I had a single 3/4" bolt in the drawer as well. I brought it out to the vise and I'd say that's the right size.
Any chance they've changed the size of the handle on the Yost 33C at some time?
Best regards,
Scott
topop101
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Spot on Balane Not to mention there is nothing wrong with taking a mistreated machine and treating it right. These old vise's were made by some of the best craftsman in the world at the time. Our American tool history from the industrial revolution deserves our efforts to preserve as many of these treasures as we can. 100 years from now who knows what will be left of them or our manufactures . Our paint will wear off in time just as the original did if they were painted. A well painted and /or polished vise may be treated better than one that was not.
Besides, it's fun as hell. Making a few coins only allows us flippers to save more iron... Your welcome !
bl00
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Here's another "stump"er:
Anyone have any info on this???
I believe it was made by American Machinery Company although I can't find evidence of that particular style. Here's a couple links to patent info showing the same jaw. The second link has a bit of info on a clamp on bench vise. They also used the trade name Ampogrip for the vises. Super cool vise!
https://www.google.com/patents/US2658415
http://www.datamp.org/patents/search/advance.php?pn=2658415&id=51493&set=1000
trijeff
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Wow! Thanks bl00!! With this encyclopedic knowledge and all the materials you have, if you don't have anything on the Prentiss 98 then I'm about to call it quits
Thanks again
Thanks again
CwazyWabbit
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Wow! Thanks bl00!! With this encyclopedic knowledge and all the materials you have, if you don't have anything on the Prentiss 98 then I'm about to call it quits
Thanks again
Not sure how I missed that one, they were sold in the UK under the Berjo brand, not sure where it originates though.
From 1930's catalogue
Found a 1927 advert as well and it shows the Berjo vise was made by Berl & Joksch of Austria
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drivesitfar
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TJ: i just saw that your big green machine is doing fairly well on the Bay with 4 hours to go. i was checking on some new vise prices for Wilton and saw your auction in that list. i hope you get some last minute action so you can put some funds in the kitty to keep the divorce papers in the drawer.
Bl00: i wish i lived closer so you could maybe teach me or i could learn how you are able to find these vises and their history. very nice work AGAIN on TJ's interesting vise he posted yesterday. BTW what is your favorite vise or do you have a top 5 and please list if you would. thanks
CW: nice work digging up the cataloug page too
Bl00: i wish i lived closer so you could maybe teach me or i could learn how you are able to find these vises and their history. very nice work AGAIN on TJ's interesting vise he posted yesterday. BTW what is your favorite vise or do you have a top 5 and please list if you would. thanks
CW: nice work digging up the cataloug page too
CwazyWabbit
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DIF: There are some differences between the vice in the catalogue and the one on eBay but I'd put that down to being a different one in the range or an earlier/later model perhaps?
FMC1959
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Yost has been making vises since the early 1900's, and the 33C has been around for a while.
Mine isn't old, I bought it new about 2 years ago. If yours was built 30, 50 or more years ago, it is possible they made slight changes over that time.
zoomieport
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It's my pleasure, Sir! I hope Kara and you enjoy it!
(I think she is going to think we are both nuts, LOL!)
Take care Dean!
ZOOM
trijeff
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Thanks to you, too, CW!! Man there is a wealth of knowledge on this forum, really appreciate you weighing in
Indeed, Drives! Doing much better than I expected
If there is a bid off in the last few minutes then I just might owe Lu-Max a beer - we bet on the amount it would go for and the winner gets some suds. Honestly, I hope he wins because that would be incredible $$ for a 1750 and really, when beer's involved, is there really any losers?? 
zoomieport
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Mmmmmmmm, beer!
sbosecker
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FMC1959,
Another question if I may.
On my Yost the bolts for the swivel nuts have a small weld between the head of the bolt and the bottom of the vise.
Does your vise have that or are the bolts "loose".
Best regards,
Scott
zoomieport
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Was your Yost made in Meadville, Pa., Muskegon, Mi. or Holland, Mi.?
Hounddog
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I finally finished my first vise resto/mod. For paint I went with Rustoleum hammered black, Rustoleum Regal Red and Rustoleum Metallic Silver. I need to get my garden shed done so I can put this little guy to work. In case you haven't seen how the turd used to look I included the before pics. Enjoy and keep the old iron out of the scrapyard.
Sure would be nice to see that build up and re-contour....do you have any of those pics? Before and after are sure impressive....looking forward to seeing how you got there.
sbosecker
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ZoomiePort,
Mine has "Holland MI USA" on the side of it.
Zoomieport... Colorado Springs?
Best regards,
Scott
zoomieport
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Outlawmws
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Sacrilege!
But seriously Bench vise, wood working vise, Drill press vise, Mill vise...
Only one?...
jakemac
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Which one ? Which one !!?!!? 
balane
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Bench vise: Check
wood working vise: Had one, never used it, sold it.
Drill press vise: If I had a second vise this would be what I would get but, to date, haven't needed one.
Mill vise: No mill.
The one or two times a second vise helped me I just grabbed something off the unfinished pile and used it temporarily.
wood working vise: Had one, never used it, sold it.
Drill press vise: If I had a second vise this would be what I would get but, to date, haven't needed one.
Mill vise: No mill.
The one or two times a second vise helped me I just grabbed something off the unfinished pile and used it temporarily.
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vintage nut
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I would say at least 4 vises are useful. A 6" or bigger one for the big heavy work. A small (ideally swivel jaw like my rock island) for the machinist bench. A mill vise for the drill press (and another if you have a mill) and a cheap vise you really don't care about for the welding table.
Add in at least 2 more if you do woodworking. (front vise, and tail vise) and if you do machining, a couple more mill and drill press vises of various types and sizes. And knifemaking makes a small vise on an angle mount useful.
you can never have too many tools
Add in at least 2 more if you do woodworking. (front vise, and tail vise) and if you do machining, a couple more mill and drill press vises of various types and sizes. And knifemaking makes a small vise on an angle mount useful.
you can never have too many tools
CwazyWabbit
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Don't forget vintage nut you need at least one to trip over repeatedly, everyone has to have at least one of those
Outlawmws
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Don't forget vintage nut you need at least one to trip over repeatedly, everyone has to have at least one of those
They call those Door stops!
alinc100
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Hi All,
Just got back from a week in Hawaii thanks to my awesome Father in Law .His goal was to get us all to Hawaii to see "his" ship. He served on the USS Missouri in 1946-52.Nine of us made the trip from Detroit to Honolulu and spent a day aboard the USS Missouri. With my father-in law's veteran status and having served on that ship we were able to access parts that the public did not see.
One of those was a gun turret control/loading/firing area.Inside it found this beauty of a Rock Island Vise:
I'm sure y'all were wondering how this belonged in the vise thread and not just a pure gloat about a week in hawaii
Just got back from a week in Hawaii thanks to my awesome Father in Law .His goal was to get us all to Hawaii to see "his" ship. He served on the USS Missouri in 1946-52.Nine of us made the trip from Detroit to Honolulu and spent a day aboard the USS Missouri. With my father-in law's veteran status and having served on that ship we were able to access parts that the public did not see.
One of those was a gun turret control/loading/firing area.Inside it found this beauty of a Rock Island Vise:
I'm sure y'all were wondering how this belonged in the vise thread and not just a pure gloat about a week in hawaii
vintage nut
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I have one of those too, but I'm giving it to my uncle for his birthday. He only has a post vise in his farm shop.Don't forget vintage nut you need at least one to trip over repeatedly, everyone has to have at least one of those
It's job will probably be replaced by one of the records lol
you can never have too many tools
Smokeshow69
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Hi All,
Just got back from a week in Hawaii thanks to my awesome Father in Law .His goal was to get us all to Hawaii to see "his" ship. He served on the USS Missouri in 1946-52.Nine of us made the trip from Detroit to Honolulu and spent a day aboard the USS Missouri. With my father-in law's veteran status and having served on that ship we were able to access parts that the public did not see.
One of those was a gun turret control/loading/firing area.Inside it found this beauty of a Rock Island Vise:
I'm sure y'all were wondering how this belonged in the vise thread and not just a pure gloat about a week in hawaii
I was in one of those turrets but I didn't see that beauty
Then again I was younger and not into tools then like I am now We bought the extended tour package and I have to say it was really worth it! For you other guys, if you ever go to Pearl Harbor, I highly recommend touring this ship and taking the behind the scenes tour! It really is something to see how big that ship is yet how cramped the quarters are. They knew how to build 'em back then. Also you need to tour the U.S.S. Bow fin as well! Really tight quarters in there too.wrenchguy
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Hi All,
Just got back from a week in Hawaii thanks to my awesome Father in Law .His goal was to get us all to Hawaii to see "his" ship. He served on the USS Missouri in 1946-52.Nine of us made the trip from Detroit to Honolulu and spent a day aboard the USS Missouri. With my father-in law's veteran status and having served on that ship we were able to access parts that the public did not see.
One of those was a gun turret control/loading/firing area.Inside it found this beauty of a Rock Island Vise:
I'm sure y'all were wondering how this belonged in the vise thread and not just a pure gloat about a week in hawaii
nice, real nice,vise that is, not the trip