Outlawmws
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Just the latch, I think IMO those with the (totally simple, easily picked) keys were more to ensure the thing stayed latched while carrying it, than for theft.
The VINTAGE toolboxes of Garage Journal!
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Sam'sAutoParts
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I think that is a good assumption, it appears to be a simple latch, very easily broken if the need arises to get into it if the key is not available.
Ole Slewfoot
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It says its a nokey
some sturdibilt like elements
https://www.etsy.com/listing/270783469
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111962236746
Not like the Union I picked up the other day. Missing a tray of course, but it had some tools.
Rochester factory would put it '29 -'32 somewhere
mid latch
side latch detail
I know I can make a key, question is can I make one that doesn't look like ***?
some sturdibilt like elements
https://www.etsy.com/listing/270783469
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111962236746
Not like the Union I picked up the other day. Missing a tray of course, but it had some tools.
Rochester factory would put it '29 -'32 somewhere
mid latch
side latch detail
I know I can make a key, question is can I make one that doesn't look like ***?
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Blue Frog
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Any GJ members near Marysville, OH (NW of Columbus) might consider this one.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5567239884.html
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http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/5567239884.html
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twertsy
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That's a steal.................
econotrk
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I've had this for probably 30 years, came out of an old timers shop that had passed away. Not your typical tool box, but I figured you guys would enjoy it. Surprising how little is missing being many of the pieces are of a consumable nature. I included a pic of the latch, a ball catch which I think is cool.
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FJ 432
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Super cool. Is it plastic,metal? Hard to tell.
econotrk
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It seems to be aluminum or maybe Zamac FJ.
safariknut
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Rust-O-Leum makes a brown hammer tone finish that is a close match in an aerosol can.
I bumped into this fella in a thrift store today. Didn't ask for a price, because it isn't really a user-friendly box. Just thought I'd share some pictures.
Edit - my assessment is not shared by others.
I figured, if the lids/trays contraption is supposed to work one-handed (open when you push down on the handle and close when you pick it up) it fails. Maybe lube at the pins would help, but fully loaded I think it would require two hands to open and close, making the always-sticking-up, full-length handle a storage liability.
A while back, I would have bought it, just because it says "Snap-on", with the idea if I didn't need it for myself, I could resell it. But the couple things I have put up on the classifieds thread haven't sold, so why tie up money on "investments" that won't cash out?
Edit - my assessment is not shared by others.
I figured, if the lids/trays contraption is supposed to work one-handed (open when you push down on the handle and close when you pick it up) it fails. Maybe lube at the pins would help, but fully loaded I think it would require two hands to open and close, making the always-sticking-up, full-length handle a storage liability.
A while back, I would have bought it, just because it says "Snap-on", with the idea if I didn't need it for myself, I could resell it. But the couple things I have put up on the classifieds thread haven't sold, so why tie up money on "investments" that won't cash out?
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Outlawmws
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I'd have grabbed it!
rickhigginshtbr
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what thrift store? **** I'll snag it tomorrow!
Sam'sAutoParts
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Oh dang, that is a cool box.
That reminds me how much I miss SEPA. I may have to make some stops on the way to the shore this summer
That reminds me how much I miss SEPA. I may have to make some stops on the way to the shore this summer
econotrk
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We don't find things like that in thrift stores around here, that would've come home with me. Looks like it doesn't need anything, better head back there today and save it.
Well, it's not a Goodwill or Salvation Army or pawn shop. More of an antiques place with a lot of vintage and thrift items. First time I went in, I picked some good stuff that wasn't marked with prices and negotiated a good deal at the register, but I think the proprietor is getting a bit more aware of the potential of some of those rusty old tools. Last time he refused to come down on some SK pieces, and I paid twice what I think they're worth because I had invested so much time sorting them out of a bin of Thaiwan junk. Yesterday, I pulled two early 1950s Snap-on DBEs (1-1/2+") and he said, "Snap-on! These are $30 each."
I needed them like another hole in the head, so I declined. But it shows he's putting a little more value on stuff that wasn't worth the effort of a price tag before.
My pockets are only so deep. I've got three kids in college, and I am reserving some cash for a flea market tomorrow and an eBay item I missed and hope gets relisted. Haven't gotten the hang of flipping stuff yet, so I left the Snap-on (couple screwdrivers, a 1/2dr extension, and an adjustable wrench, too) for another dude to find.
If fate puts it in reach again, maybe I'll snap it up, but for now I have to make choices.
Update: Son graduated, put him on a plane, moved some of his stuff out if my space and into his new apartment. Then went back and snapped up that Snap-on K11 duplex box. Thunderstorm as I'm bringing it home helped me decide how to clean it out. Looks pretty much the same, but with less dust.
I needed them like another hole in the head, so I declined. But it shows he's putting a little more value on stuff that wasn't worth the effort of a price tag before.
My pockets are only so deep. I've got three kids in college, and I am reserving some cash for a flea market tomorrow and an eBay item I missed and hope gets relisted. Haven't gotten the hang of flipping stuff yet, so I left the Snap-on (couple screwdrivers, a 1/2dr extension, and an adjustable wrench, too) for another dude to find.
If fate puts it in reach again, maybe I'll snap it up, but for now I have to make choices.
Update: Son graduated, put him on a plane, moved some of his stuff out if my space and into his new apartment. Then went back and snapped up that Snap-on K11 duplex box. Thunderstorm as I'm bringing it home helped me decide how to clean it out. Looks pretty much the same, but with less dust.
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Here is a Huot, not often seen around here, and it is for sale....$40. Don't need any more or I'd already have it.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-storage...ox/1163008072?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-storage...ox/1163008072?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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$8 is a good buy. That box has all the hallmarks of a Union made box. Tray handle is flat, and rounded edges at the top of the feet. There may be a Union sticker under that gray paint, usually somewhere near the middle of one of lids, inside the box.
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My road box is that style but a different make. I love it. It's a bit heavy though...
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I wish that was closer. I really want a huot setup and that price is definitely within my budget.
$8 is a good buy. That box has all the hallmarks of a Union made box. Tray handle is flat, and rounded edges at the top of the feet. There may be a Union sticker under that gray paint, usually somewhere near the middle of one of lids, inside the box.
Yes, there's a rectangular bump in the paint, either a sticker or the glue of a sticker. I gave the whole box a wash with ecofriendly cleanser, to see if the gray would soften or peel, but looks like it won't come off without taking the original with it. I had hoped to see if there was a stencil. I may give it superfinegrit wetsanding to smooth up the brushstrokes and embedded dust, and maybe the gray will change its mind then.
Private Lugnutz
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It’s an armorer’s chest, used for carrying tools, cleaning gear, and spare parts. I am not familiar with the M6, so I can't tell you what gun(s) it was associated with. I know the M5 (D28243), which was very similar, very well. The M5 was associated with the .30 and .50 cal Browning Machine Gun, M1919A4, A5, and A6. D28201 and D28243 are Ordnance Dept drawing numbers. My hunch is something similar. As for Mfgr, my guess, based on features, would be Hamilton Metal Products in Hamilton, Ohio. I am not with my reference material, but I will look it up for you later this week.
Here are a couple of M5’s, one with corner supports bottom and top (likely Union Steel Chest Corp), and one with corner supports only on the bottom (likely Hamilton).
Here is an image of an M5 from a 1943 manual
And here is an M5 presented for inspection
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Good luck cleaning it up. I've heard of some people using a heat gun and a scraper to get the top layer off.
It would have come in O.D. from Union, but being that it's gray, it could very well have seen service in the Navy. They painted everything gray!
The sticker would look very much like this one.
Private Lugnutz
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It is. Post-war flip-tops typically don't have corner supports and the handle brackets are riveted instead of welded. Based on the shape of the corner supports (rounded vs ornate French leaf), the number of hinge elements (33), and the flat handle on the top tray (vs round), I can almost guarantee that your box was made by Union Steel Chest Corp in Leroy, NY. The other makers (Hamilton, E.J. McAleer) had different features, including the habit of embossing or stamping their name in the lids. Union used a foil label that is almost always completely eroded or painted over.
If the tray supports, which I can’t see, are four pieces spot welded into each inside corner (vs two shelves welded onto either side), I will change my almost guarantee to 100% guarantee.
Here are some shots of one of my Union wartime boxes if you want to compare.
Private Lugnutz
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I see that UNAIU already identified it as a Union for you! Disregard my post. But do check the inside tray supports. If they're in the corners - it's definitely Union.
I certainly will NOT disregard your post, which confirms and expands upon UNAIU's ID. Thanks to you both.
My new old box has the supports you describe, except they are not extra pieces spot welded on, but rather (more elegantly economical of material and labor) tabs punched inward from the short end walls, the resulting holes being closed by the overlap of the long walls.
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Private Lugnutz
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Yes, that's them. I was going from memory. Thanks for reminding me about their ingenious, efficient design.
Ole Slewfoot
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Im not saying what yours is or isn't, but if you look at my post # 5612, my significantly prewar Union is pretty much that color too.
Private Lugnutz
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John Coe lived in Jamestown, NY, which is 20 miles from Sherman, NY, which is where Duplex Mfg Co was located. Duplex Mfg Co had wartime multiple contracts with the US Army Ordnance Department for these toolboxes and sold them hand over fist. All of them still had the 1926 patent stamped or embossed on them.
Here are some photos of one:
Here’s another one, owned by GJ member, zepher.
And here’s one from the 12th Armored Division’s website.
I suspect that box was made for Snap-On by Duplex. Snap-On did supply tookits to the US Army Ordnance Dept during the war, as well as the US Army Air corps, and the Navy. But I have never seen an OD box of this type with anything but a Duplex stamp on it.
As a now-Displaced Lesser Native Son of NE Pennsyltucky (born and raised in Palmerton, in Carbon County...now living down the shore, by way of many other worldwide locations), old enough to remember when A-Treat and Horlacher beer were delivered to the front porch in the same wooden case, when the name “Bonney” rolled off the lips of oldtimers hanging around garages, machines shops, and foundries with the same sort of reverence given to Mack trucks and Martin guitar, who still considers Mario Andretti the best race car driver – any surface, any car –of all time --- I REALLY wish you would tell me where this thrift shop is!
joe.striper
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Can anyone please help me with info on this metal over wood Dunlap I just picked up, with contents, for $40? I cannot find a thing on it.
Also any help with an ID on this old factory made carpenters box. It has the key.I pd $20 for it.
Also any help with an ID on this old factory made carpenters box. It has the key.I pd $20 for it.
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RedVise
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Another site estimated my metal over wood Dunlap chest as 40's era...
Yours is the same as mine, but very clean, nice find.
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stewed baker
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A lot of the old carpenters boxes were hand made. It served to show to an employer the skill of the carpenter. Before he was hired. Also showed what tools he had.
joe.striper
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Wow, if thats the case this on was well made. The lock is mortised beautifully
twertsy
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crewchief888
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recently found this pic when i was rummaging through a box of old pics.
kennedy top and roller cab i bought around '78 or so, side cab and mid box i bought in '85 or so when i was at the 1st dealer i worked at.
top, bottom and mid ended up as trade ins when i bought my kr 550/555 combo.
still have the side box
kennedy top and roller cab i bought around '78 or so, side cab and mid box i bought in '85 or so when i was at the 1st dealer i worked at.
top, bottom and mid ended up as trade ins when i bought my kr 550/555 combo.
still have the side box
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bobcatdan
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recently found this pic when i was rummaging through a box of old pics.
kennedy top and roller cab i bought around '78 or so, side cab and mid box i bought in '85 or so when i was at the 1st dealer i worked at.
top, bottom and mid ended up as trade ins when i bought my kr 550/555 combo.
still have the side box
What ever skidsteer is in the background , I feel sorry for you back then. Can't tell if it's a 30 series with the cab pulled or a damn 825.