Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack

Pipe · Nov 11, 2016

Shaners256 said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. What was your benefit?

Being able to reasonably negotiate the price of the jack. So it wasn't over 3X as much like another poster mentioned as reasoning for getting a Daytona.

Bear in mind I've never tried talking a harbor freight manager down on a price but without having a history with him/her I can't imagine it going well.

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Shaners256 · Nov 11, 2016

Pipe said:
Being able to reasonably negotiate the price of the jack. So it wasn't over 3X as much like another poster mentioned as reasoning for getting a Daytona.

Bear in mind I've never tried talking a harbor freight manager down on a price but without having a history with him/her I can't imagine it going well.

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Ah gotcha. I guess I didn't know the MSRP of the SO jack.

FWIW, I'm just a home gamer and have absolutely no access to a dealer, so I'm SOL in that regards. I am pretty excited though that I did get the Daytona shipped to my door for $95. My old floor jack quit working sometime in September, and I finally have a replacement.

Pipe · Nov 11, 2016

Shaners256 said:
Ah gotcha. I guess I didn't know the MSRP of the SO jack.

FWIW, I'm just a home gamer and have absolutely no access to a dealer, so I'm SOL in that regards. I am pretty excited though that I did get the Daytona shipped to my door for $95. My old floor jack quit working sometime in September, and I finally have a replacement.

Best of luck [emoji106]

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jwsia · Nov 11, 2016

Mine updated to "Shipped" today. Looks like its shipping through FedEx. Hopefully see it on Monday

WWheeler · Nov 11, 2016

Roberts210 said:
I believe Milwaukee Hydraulics is the only U.S. company making and assembling their jacks here in the U.S.

[snip]

Well, there's also US Jacks that are 100% US made parts/assembly. Their smallest floor jack is a 4 ton that'll likely run you upwards of $1300 plus freight.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

WWheeler said:
Well, there's also US Jacks that are 100% US made parts/assembly. Their smallest floor jack is a 4 ton that'll likely run you upwards of $1300 plus freight.

The US jack 4-10-20 ton jacks are Weaver OEM (castle equipment) and you also have Gray Manufacturing to go along with Milwaukee.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

Run Away... Daytona does have Ucups on both the pump Pistons.

But utilizes the old crappy Oring/Shell on the Main Ram.. Junk.. Junk... And more Junk.

Not to mention the Cartridge valve system, Mickey Mouse magnetic filtering system which consists of magnets stuck to the cylinder and the screen right below it, in this case it wasn't even touching the screen on one side.

If the Snap on consists of these internals, it's even a bigger POS. Sorry I didn't have time to add more detailed pictures, but work has been crazy busy. I would also like to add, the hydraulic unit casting was ****, you can already see metal particles on the magnets.

Pipe · Nov 11, 2016

Damnnn

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General Geoff · Nov 11, 2016

Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to tear one of these down, Hiball. All that's left is the test of time, I made sure to scan my receipt so if the jack fails within 3 years, I can just get it replaced instead of needing to tear it down. If there's a large number of returns/exchanges due to failure, perhaps they'll change the internals to improve longevity.

miguelvldz · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
Run Away... Daytona does have Ucups on both the pump Pistons.

But utilizes the old crappy Oring/Shell on the Main Ram.. Junk.. Junk... And more Junk.

Not to mention the Cartridge valve system, Mickey Mouse magnetic filtering system which consists of magnets stuck to the cylinder and the screen right below it, in this case it wasn't even touching the screen on one side.

If the Snap on consists of these internals, it's even a bigger POS. Sorry I didn't have time to add more detailed pictures, but work has been crazy busy. I would also like to add, the hydraulic unit casting was ****, you can already see metal particles on the magnets.

Thanks for your time posting this.

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WWheeler · Nov 11, 2016

Yeah, although I was definitely hoping for some better findings, I really appreciate Hiball taking the time and effort to dig into one of these jacks.

Now I'm really curious how they might or might not differ from the Snap On 2 & 3 tons.

miguelvldz · Nov 11, 2016

WWheeler said:
Yeah, although I was definitely hoping for some better findings, I really appreciate Hiball taking the time and effort to dig into one of these jacks.

Now I'm really curious how they might or might not differ from the Snap On 2 & 3 tons.

Lol same here

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MN_Runner · Nov 11, 2016

Pipe said:
Another benefit to having a relationship with an American tool dealer. I showed him that harbor freight comparison ad, said I wanted apples to apples, and I paid 500 dollars for the fj300

Again not trying to cause a ******* match. I'm sure the Daytona is a good jack. But when the thread turned into gambling with an ebay seller, I wanted to share how I prefer to handle business.

That sounds great as you only paid 2.5X the price of Daytona with the yellow paint instead of the SO red. I think you did very well.

Pipe · Nov 11, 2016

MN_Runner said:
That sounds great as you only paid 2.5X the price of Daytona with the yellow paint instead of the SO red. I think you did very well.

Time will tell. Maybe hiball will dissect a snap on one and see if its junk like yours.

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MN_Runner · Nov 11, 2016

Pipe said:
Time will tell. Maybe hiball will dissect a snap on one and see if its junk like yours.

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If my jack (FJ200) is a junk then your jack (FJ300) is surely a junk too. Thank you for pointing that out.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

MN_Runner said:
That sounds great as you only paid 2.5X the price of Daytona with the yellow paint instead of the SO red. I think you did very well.

You don't know that... The Hydraulic unit that is used in the Daytona is shared with the lower priced HF jacks, the only difference is the seals used on the pump Pistons and magnets (snicker), so for everyone following along, this means these jacks can be optioned out via the manufactuer. Until someone (I'm working on securing one) takes the time to dissect the SO model it's only internet chatter.

MN_Runner · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
Until someone (I'm working on securing one) takes the time to dissect the SO model it's only internet chatter.

I am not planning to send out my FJ200 to you. I hope you understand.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

MN_Runner said:
I am not planning to send out my FJ200 to you. I hope you understand.

I never asked? :dunno:

I have some some connections..then again, it's 4 bolts on the hydraulic unit, 2 bolts holding the cross bar in, 1 cotter key and a socket to fit the tank nut. I would hope in a garage forum we would have some members willing to dissect for science. Lol..

MN_Runner · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
I never asked? I have some some connections..

I know as I was just kidding. :thumbup:

Pipe · Nov 11, 2016

MN_Runner said:
If my jack (FJ200) is a junk then your jack (FJ300) is surely a junk too. Thank you for pointing that out.

I was under the impression you had a Daytona [emoji111]

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Burgerkong · Nov 11, 2016

Guess it's time to start finding a replacement ucup to replace the oring in place? Then again, we have gained a (vastly) better built jack (aside from the power unit) for the same price as say an Arcan or one of HF's regular jacks. However, at the retail price of $200 that makes it a tough sell.

Really curious about the SO now!

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

Burgerkong said:
Guess it's time to start finding a replacement ucup to replace the oring in place? Then again, we have gained a (vastly) better built jack (aside from the power unit) for the same price as say an Arcan or one of HF's regular jacks. However, at the retail price of $200 that makes it a tough sell.

Really curious about the SO now!

I'll report the Ucup size next time im at the shop, and any fitment issues that need to be addressed prior to installing it.

MN_Runner · Nov 11, 2016

Pipe said:
I was under the impression you had a Daytona [emoji111]
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I have never said I bought a Dayonta jack. If SO is reasonably priced then I think more people will buy SO floor jacks. That is my point.

Reasonable Price for FJ200 = $275, FJ300= $325

M6erfan · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
Run Away... Daytona does have Ucups on both the pump Pistons.

But utilizes the old crappy Oring/Shell on the Main Ram.. Junk.. Junk... And more Junk

Not to mention the Cartridge valve system, Mickey Mouse magnetic filtering system which consists of magnets stuck to the cylinder and the screen right below it, in this case it wasn't even touching the screen on one side.

If the Snap on consists of these internals, it's even a bigger POS. Sorry I didn't have time to add more detailed pictures, but work has been crazy busy. I would also like to add, the hydraulic unit casting was ****, you can already see metal particles on the magnets.

Ive been following this thread with some interest. I didn't order a jack but these findings are very interesting Hiball, thanks for taking the time to tear down and report :beer:

Slowcorrado · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball,

Thanks for taking the time to check this out! Could you do me and some of other less informed members a favor and add some perspective to your claim of its "junkiness".

As an above average home-use user, I have an OTC 2 ton aluminum jack with a lifetime warranty that's been excellent over the past 5 years. It's starting to leak a little (more like damp) at the pistons and main ram and it seems that the hardware is constantly loosening up. Here's a stock pic:

Not knowing any better, I always thought this was an excellent jack for the money (around $250), but am totally questioning it after seeing this thread and what can also be had for $180. Can you contrast the quality of the Daytona to a jack of my type? I'm sure a few others are wondering if the Daytona really is "junk" in relation to their current jacks. Thanks!

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

Slowcorrado said:
Can you contrast the quality of the Daytona to a jack of my type? I'm sure a few others are wondering if the Daytona really is "junk" in relation to their current jacks. Thanks!

Lemme be Clear... The Daytona Jack and its 3 year warranty is marketable, I've stated that earlier in this thread. My reference to the Junkiness of the Jack stems from years of dealing with hydraulic jacks and there various systems/seals. The thing that bothers me about these 2016 import jacks isn't that the system is ****, it's seals that they using, there not choosing a Oring/Shell over a Ucup to save money.. Now they are advertising "premium seals" but "only" on the pump Pistons... Wtf is that. IMO It's a way to control the longevity of the Jack and future sales. I have a sticky that shows the majority of seals used throughout the history of hydraulic jacks. I don't want anyone's feelings hurt over this Jack, if you own a Daytona Jack... Use it, and always regardless of what brand of Jack you are using, utilize Jack stands.

B_Bimmer · Nov 11, 2016

Now this thread is getting interesting, thank you hiball. My question now is if someone were to bother taking a new jack apart and cleaning up the castings, assembly errors, etc. Would it be possible to switch to better seals and end up with a jack that would last a long time?

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

B_Bimmer said:
Now this thread is getting interesting, thank you hiball. My question now is if someone were to bother taking a new jack apart and cleaning up the castings, assembly errors, etc. Would it be possible to switch to better seals and end up with a jack that would last a long time?

Possible... But you still have to deal with the Cartridge valve system, and even using the proper sized socket, the Hex portion looks like I used a hammer to disassemble. The fit and finish of this Jack compared to the big boys is sad... The average consumer doesn't care, thus the warranty is marketable

oldtools · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball, thank for taking the time to disassemble the Daytona jack. Guess the seal is not as premium as HF claim. Hope SO has better seal. Currently looking for another jack. Might go with a used Milwaukee or HW or rebuild my leaky HW.

evintho · Nov 11, 2016

Darn! If I had only waited! HiBall posted his findings at 2:30 this afternoon. I was at HF at noon and bought a Daytona! I needed a jack pronto as my old one just started leaking like a sieve. I think it's an Arcan 2-ton. I bought it at Costco 30 years ago for $25. Guess I got my moneys worth!

Anyhow, snapped a few pics. Here's the Daytona.............

Here's my leaking, antique Costco jack. It's pretty well beat............

The two side by side.....................

The Daytona is a beast. Very heavy but rolls easily, lifts quickly and I like the almost 2' lift height! I figured the internals weren't of good quality and Hiball just confirmed that. Hopefully, it'll last well beyond the 3 year warranty. My jacks get used about 80-100 times a year. Here's a question...........how hard will it be to get a ram rebuild kit for the Daytona should it start leaking or does the aforementioned cartridge valve system replace that?

Burgerkong · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
Possible... But you still have to deal with the Cartridge valve system, and even using the proper sized socket, the Hex portion looks like I used a hammer to disassemble. The fit and finish of this Jack compared to the big boys is sad... The average consumer doesn't care, thus the warranty is marketable

For the record what size of socket did you use?

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

evintho said:
Here's a question...........how hard will it be to get a ram rebuild kit for the Daytona should it start leaking or does the aforementioned cartridge valve system replace that?

1st off Congrats on your Jack.. Secondly, in regards to the seal kits, it's possible that there will be some suppliers assembling kits, but they will be crazy priced. Your typical hydraulic Jack utilizes a series of balls/seats to transfer the oil from the reservoir to the cylinder when you pump the handle, the cartridge system is a all in one piece that doesn't lend to ease of serviceability (some issues can be rectified) and typically they are problematic over the typical life of the Jack.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

Burgerkong said:
For the record what size of socket did you use?

I never even looked, I keep all my 3/4 sockets in a carry box and simply grabbed the one that fit, I can verify next time I'm at the shop.

L.Cheapo · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
I never even looked, I keep all my 3/4 sockets in a carry box and simply grabbed the one that fit, I can verify next time I'm at the shop.

Hiball, thank you for the time and energy you put in to this. I've been looking forward to seeing your results all week! Hopefully you can secure that Snap-On jack, whats inside will be very interesting. Thanks again.

koviack · Nov 11, 2016

Pipe said:
Being able to reasonably negotiate the price of the jack. So it wasn't over 3X as much like another poster mentioned as reasoning for getting a Daytona.

Bear in mind I've never tried talking a harbor freight manager down on a price but without having a history with him/her I can't imagine it going well.

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You're a terrible shill :lol_hitti

Roberts210 · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball thanks for all your hard work.

Hiball · Nov 11, 2016

Roberts210 said:
Hiball thanks for all your hard work.

Lol... Hardest part of the job was getting the Jack out of the box, I had it drained and disassembled in less than 5 min.

Burgerkong · Nov 11, 2016

Hiball said:
Lol... Hardest part of the job was getting the Jack out of the box, I had it drained and disassembled in less than 5 min.

Appreciate the effort, you have no idea how many people are waiting on your SO teardown haha.

:thumbup:

B_Bimmer · Nov 11, 2016

Burgerkong said:
Appreciate the effort, you have no idea how many people are waiting on your SO teardown haha.

This is true. I wonder since snap on was monitoring this thread if they are fearing the result, or confident... If hiball disappears we'll know what happened... If he becomes very rich we'll suspect what happened... and if he finds that "there is a difference" life will go on for all parties.

Burgerkong · Nov 12, 2016

B_Bimmer said:
This is true. I wonder since snap on was monitoring this thread if they are fearing the result, or confident... If hiball disappears we'll know what happened... If he becomes very rich we'll suspect what happened... and if he finds that "there is a difference" life will go on for all parties.

I doubt they'll be able to silence users who are genuinely interested with their tools. Hiball just has his interests placed in jacks lol.

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