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I have recently read a post (that now eludes me) stating that there may be a thread dealing with the selling/purchasing if vise parts. Other than the classified section does anyone know if such a thread does exist? My search did not produce any matches.
 
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Picked up a Parker 976 at auction today for $45.00 all and all in very nice shape. Two issues; one of the screws on the retaining collar had broken off. What would be the best way to extract said screw? Second the dynamic jaw had been welded on to the slide but i see no cracks, breaks to the casting and i believe that i can grind said bead off and be able to restore back to original. I assume a flap wheel would be the best route then hand file? Pics to follow shortly as soon as i can manage to get it from the car to the work table.
 

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Well I have a Reed 203 R that needs a new handle so I found some Iron balls wife still has mine :scared: need to get some cold rolled steel for the handle but used a piece of hot rolled to hold the balls while I polished them (that sounds weird) :lol_hitti. Drilled the balls with 27/64 drill, taped to 1/2-13, threaded the rod 1/2-13, then used belt sander to get them cleaned up. Should have it finished this week and will show pics when done. I will probably use red lock tight to secure the balls. : [/IMG]
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CA, how big are those balls, and where did you get them? Just got some 1-3/8" steel balls from Amazon, but still looking for sources for other sizes. Was going to try King arch. Metals, but shipping was excessive, at least I thought so.
 

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454ragtop Picked these up at Southwest Steel in AZ . These are 1 inch they have larger ones 1.5 and 2 inch I think, they also have 3/4. These were $1.75 each they are cast iron so pretty soft but work for vise handles. I think I may drill all the way through tap and thread and heat and peen the ends for a super secure fit. Maybe not
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Trying to restore a Parker 976 i picked up over the weekend and looking for information on two parts. First, does anyone know what would be the correct screw sizing that would hold the retaining collar in place? Second, am i to assume that this model came with a wrench for the swivel base? if so, would anyone have a lead on where i could purchase said item?
 

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Trying to restore a Parker 976 i picked up over the weekend and looking for information on two parts. First, does anyone know what would be the correct screw sizing that would hold the retaining collar in place? Second, am i to assume that this model came with a wrench for the swivel base? if so, would anyone have a lead on where i could purchase said item?



Should be 5/16-18 machine screws for the collar. Keep searching eBay for the wrench. They are really hard to come by if you want an original but one might pop on on there. You can also find an old box end wrench and cut one side off to make a wrench that closely resembles the original.
 

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Tom, The Parker wrench is a #4. 1 1/16" I used it on my 978
I found a Williams with a longer handle for about $20 It works fine for my everyday user 976
 

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GET - Thanks for the info. I will look for either one of those options. Would you happen to have any other pics of your 978 that is restored? Also, what paint did you use i like the color.
 

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Well got ticked off at the TV again so went to the work shop and finished up the handle. Needs a little more work but this little three inch Reed should come out nice if I dont screw it up.
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GET - Thanks for the info. I will look for either one of those options. Would you happen to have any other pics of your 978 that is restored? Also, what paint did you use i like the color.

The color is Deep Forest with clear satin on top.

CA,. I'm sure that little Reed will come out great with your skills. I found it easier to peen the balls on than to thread them. I used forged steel instead of cast balls on the big Parker.
 

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Thanks for the comments !
The old lathe is good for polishing mostly. The chuck will only hold up to 5/8" and is worn to much for accurate work. It was a fun project to fix up and add the variable speed tread mill drive.
 

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Apologies in advance if i should post this elsewhere, but as i am familiar with posting on this thread and receiving insightful responses i was looking for advice in what disc/wheel would be best suited on an angle grinder to remove a bead of weld off of a vise. I would like to have some control over the amount of material to be removed so as not to damage the underlying cast if possible. Thanks in advance
 

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It kind of depends on the placement of the weld. If inside a 90 deg corner, you want an abrasive blade so you can work with the edge, either 1/8" or 1/4"

If it's an outside corner, you have multiple choices, but I like flap wheels or the purple sanding discs.

a welded flat surface you could go either way.

The real issue is getting setup so you CAN control the blade and the grinder as it bites. so completely free-handing it is tough; you need to setup so you have some sort of rest and can minimize the "wave it around" effect...
 

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Outlaw - This is mostly on a flat surface and i will try a flap wheel as suggested. I see that they have different grits depending on how aggressive one would like to be. I will see what i can come up with in regards to the rest to work with. Thanks
 

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Trying to strip off that "resale red" from this Prentiss NY 56. No surprises so far.
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Found this massive vise swivel base, marked 77C on the bottom. Three openings in the bottom, two round, and one a rectangle. Kind of reminds me of the Reed swivel restos that I've done. That is a Prentiss 56, 6 inch for scale.69075a233c46794fa4e4ad473c8f8c07.jpg


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I'm pretty sure that's a swivel base for a 6in rock island vise. My 5in rock island is stamped 75c on the bottom.

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Well got the paint and grime off the little Reed had to make the handle for the locking swivel nut used 3/8 round stock thread added two nuts ground and sanded to fit. Hopefully I will get the towers cleaned up and get some paint on it by they end of the week. Love these flat nose reeds kind of addicting.
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Finally got that pin removed from the Prentiss 22 vise that I bought back on 6/25/2016

What did the trick was a suggestion on Garage Journal (Topop101 #2914 and CwazyWabbit #2917) to use a bridge clamp, cheater bar and to cover the pin with a large ratchet socket and clamp off that end on inside hole using a small punch to push the pin out. It didn't work immediately, but over the course of three days if finally popped out. So, messing with it since 6/25/2016 and with those great suggestions, took only 3 more days to get it out.

Once got pin out, was able to finally move the rear dynamic jaw a little bit and eventually removed it (another 2 days).

This morning, wire wheeled those parts and did some hand filing and now dynamic jaw slides into position with a tap from rubber hammer.

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Found this massive vise swivel base, marked 77C on the bottom. Three openings in the bottom, two round, and one a rectangle. Kind of reminds me of the Reed swivel restos that I've done. That is a Prentiss 56, 6 inch for scale.
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My big 3" Rock Island 571 has 71C stamped on the underside.
 

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Finally got that pin removed from the Prentiss 22 vise that I bought back on 6/25/2016

What did the trick was a suggestion on Garage Journal (Topop101 #2914 and CwazyWabbit #2917) to use a bridge clamp, cheater bar and to cover the pin with a large ratchet socket and clamp off that end on inside hole using a small punch to push the pin out. It didn't work immediately, but over the course of three days if finally popped out. So, messing with it since 6/25/2016 and with those great suggestions, took only 3 more days to get it out.

Once got pin out, was able to finally move the rear dynamic jaw a little bit and eventually removed it (another 2 days).

This morning, wire wheeled those parts and did some hand filing and now dynamic jaw slides into position with a tap from rubber hammer.

Mike

Nice job Mike! I just found a Prentiss #22 myself. It is a BEAST. (pics to follow). My rear swivel jaw pin was stuck like a duck.

STUCK PIN: If anyone has to deal with a stuck pin, please feel free to contact me. My pin ordeal lasted 48 hours, but, with patience was able to get it to release from decades of stuckness. Hopefully not a long dissertation: I used PB Blaster from underneath and top. i used heat cycles with a MAPP torch. I used a magnetic engine block heater inside the casting, to warm up the casting around the pin. I used a lot of tapping from underneath as well as lateral tapping from top.
As mention above by Mike_P, The secret weapon was fabricating a small "jack post" from a piece of 1/2" threaded rod, and welding a nut to the rod, and welding a corresponding nut to a piece of 3/8" steel plate that spanned across the dovetails inside the casting. This is not what made it finally "pop" out, but I believe the ability to put the pin under upward tension during heating and cooling cycles was an important part of the puzzle.
The main issue I was fighting was that I was able to pool PB Blaster at the top of the pin but even overnight the PB would not penetrate. I used a dental pick to clean the ring around the pin/casting. Right after a Pin heating cycle, I tightened the little jack post mechanism another 1/4 turn and squirted a small amount of PB Blaster around the pin. The pin was still hot to the touch. I noticed some bubbling and it looked like the PB was actually penetrating! Using a drift and small hammer I tapped the pin from the top, with a slight upward angle. On about the 4th tap on the Pin, under tension, it literally POPPED OUT like a cork! It even made a cork-like sound. It went about 3" upward and landed back on top of the vise body casting.

The key to unsticking a tapered pin is getting a penetrating oil to finally flow. Upward tension, tapping, and heat/cooling cycle.

The pin was not corroded or rusted in there, either, it was fairly clean, minus a very thin layer of oxidation.

As Mike mentions above, then it was on to making the rear swivel jaw actually swivel both directions. More PB Blaster, a small block of wood, and lateral tapping all around the sides of the swivel jaw casting. It would move an extra 1mm each time it was tapped. After 10 or 15 minutes of this, it was swivelling a good bit and finally able to be removed. Once removed both mating surfaces were cleaned up, tested the swivel jaw back in the body, still felt some interference. Using chalk, I found the place where it was rubbing, and used fine wet/dry paper to smooth it out.

WELDING: It was missing one of it's three bolt hole mounting flanges on the swivel base.
Yesterday I was able to make a new mounting flange and weld it on. I have had good luck welding these old vises. I have welded Parkers, Prentiss's, Rock Island, and Columbians. I use Lincoln 1/8" 7018AC rod at 120Amps, which is mid range for this rod. For the Prentiss 22 swivel base, I have a woodstove in the work shop, so I placed the swivel base and the newly fabricated flange on the woodstove. The surface temp was probably at 450F. Let them warm up together.
Then welded, paying attention to heat control, NOT just zipping across the entire piece, but tacking in various places, top and bottom, to keep it stable, then running beads to finish up. After welding it was placed back on the woodstove. I then shut the inlet air to the woodstove and let the fire go out. This cooled the piece sowly over the course of the next few hours. I still had to use welding gloves to pick it up. No visible cracking, no signs of distress. Careful grinding, and it looks like it will hold.

That's where I am right now. Having extended family members over for Christmas Eve dinner, Visecapades will continue on Dec. 26th. I promise pictures! I just wanted to get this posted under Mike_P's to get the Prentiss #22 info on the same page.
Merry Christmas everyone!
 
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Nice job Mike!

The pin was not corroded or rusted in there, either, it was fairly clean, minus a very thin layer of oxidation.

That's where I am right now. Having extended family members over for Christmas Eve dinner, Visecapades will continue on Dec. 26th. I promise pictures! I just wanted to get this posted under Mike_P's to get the Prentiss #22 info on the same page.
Merry Christmas everyone!

SkunkWerX:

Congrats on getting your Prentiss 22 stuck pin and the dynamic jaw working again.

Like you, I looked at the corrosion on my pulled pin and there wasn't much to it either. Pic 1 showed what it looked like, while pic 2 shows it cleaned up.

Thks for sharing and thats what is best about this thread!!!

Merry Christmas to all!!!

Mike
 

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Mike, yes, my pin looked very similar. A dark looking film of oxidation.

The top of my pin is bit more chewed up, looks like a beaver tried to loosen it before I got it. :)
I'm wondering about turning it down a little to clean it up, then press fitting a piece of thick round tubing over it, welding, then turning it to look more like a knob. I have also read about people suggesting drilling a hole through it to aid in future unsticking. not sure if I'll go that route. Leaning toward polishing more, and using anti-sieze grease.

Testing the pin's holding ability, it only takes a slight tap from a small tack hammer to "set" the pin. The swivel jaw locks right up tightly.
 

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Someone in another thread suggested that I post up a quick solution to the older Prentiss "castle" style of main screw retainer. A recent CL Prentiss 56 is the subject.



The castle retainer comes with EIGHT tabs that are designed to be bent into TWO machined indents in the main screw to hold it together.



I figured the only way to remove was to break the existing TWO holding tabs with a blow from a hammer/ chisel. This effectively gives you 3 cracks at removing this retainer until you're on your last go. Mine had already been removed once leaving me with 2 remaining reassembly/s. I wanted a better solution for the next 100 years in the life of this Prentiss 56



larry4406 posted a nice solution when lacking the collar to just buy a set screw shaft collar. This was an easy and nice solution for a few bucks.



I figured I would just drill, tap, and set screw into the main shaft similar to my older Reeds and others. Bought a 1/4-20x 1/2 set screw and performed the work on my Delta/ Rockwell 665.



Thanks go to drivesitfar and larry4406. Hope this helps someone else.
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Still a work in progress, looking to clean up the outward jaw faces next.

Link to another thread with ideas
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I have a Morgan Chicago 6" vise that I'm finishing up. Having a few issues. The nut is a bit loosey goosey where it fits into the static jaw, so I put a thin layer of JB weld on the mating surfaces.

Has new jaws, but one of them is stripped. I thought the screws were 5/16 - 18 but that's not fitting my thread checker. Are these a different type of thread? Different pitch, maybe?

Looks like I may also need a new metal dowel pin to hold the nut in place -- the original size is loosey goosey (sensing a trend here?) and leans back a bit. Can probably drill it out and go with a larger dowel.

Will get some pics posted.
 

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bulletpruf,

A lot of the pins I have/had that hold the nut in are leaning back / bent / on purpose. Most are a "S' shape almost. Maybe for assembly ease. just fyi....
 

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bulletpruf,

A lot of the pins I have/had that hold the nut in are leaning back / bent / on purpose. Most are a "S' shape almost. Maybe for assembly ease. just fyi....

Thanks, Dave. That's good to know.

Also, on the screws, they are indeed 5/16 - 18. I cleaned 'em up with my Craftsman thread restorer set (purchased after seeing it on the Hot Deals thread), but that didn't quite fix the problem. What I really need are some longer screws -- the ones that Morgan sent with the new jaws are 3/4" long. The originals are 1" long. With an extra 1/4" of engagement, I should be fine.

Where do y'all mail order specialty bolts/nuts? McMaster Carr? Looking for grade 8, 5/16 - 18, flat top .568" in diameter (give or take a thousandth), preferably for an Allen wrench or maybe a Torx?

EDIT - found 'em at McMaster Carr. Hex head. $10 for a box of 25.

Thanks,

Scott
 
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BP: some of the guys have tapped the holes and put a bolt or something machined to fill the gap and keep the vise nut in place. i think it needs a little movement, but you'll have to ask the machinists and guys working on these old vises daily to get your answer if you might want to do that. i'm guessing pin in the hole that was bent in place was for assembly line work to make it fairly easy, inexpensive and quick to do.

if you might need a special angle on the vise jaw screw heads some of the guys put them in a drill and put them up against a grinder's stone or use their DP and a file and several examples have been posted.

good luck and hope you find some great old Bison and other European vices on your next trip i see you mentioned you were going to take on a different thread.

Scooter: looks like a good fix to me. WELL DONE!!

ALL: for those of you trying to do what Scooter did and maybe cracking the crown nut you can buy a sleeve with a set screw in it for not much online or maybe at your local hardware store.

thank you all for posting your vise fixes, repairs and restorations on this thread and keep doing so if you have the time to.
 

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Stop what your doing, buy a deburring wheel, now. Don't wait like i did, what a great tool. This one is a Norton convolute, medium i recall. Even snagged a new to me craftsman block on CL to run it. The polishing in this pic took me only a few minutes.
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