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Combine 2 existing 110v circuits for 110/220?

kf4zht

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Just bought a lathe that looks like it will require a 1-2 hp 220 VFD. The breaker panel in the shop is full, but not over capacity as I tend to only use one device at a time, plus a few residuals. I have 2 options I can think of to get power to it

1. Tap into existing overhead run to table saw. This is a little complicated as a it involves cutting into conduit, pulling slack and the wire is all phase taped Thhn, so I have to trace each wire (3 hots, 1 neutral, 2 grounds)

2. I have a quad box on the wall that is in a good place and has separated circuits for each side. I did this during installation to have matched numbers of outlets. Either side has 110v outlets on that sides respective circuits.

Can I safely combine the circuits in that box, tie those 2 breakers together and still run the 110v outlets on the rest of the circuit? My logic says yes, it isn't any different than a 4 wire dryer or multi branch setup.

I am probably going to run 4 wire to the lathe anyway and add a plug box for coolant pumps, lights or other accessories
 
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The Cobbler

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not an electrician here, but when my sparky wired my shop we did several 14/3 circuits that are run to a split duplex receptacle and a 240 receptacle. both legs have to be on a double breaker.
code in your area could be different, but here it was OK to do
 

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The breaker in the panel that serves those two combined circuits for 240V needs to be a double pole common trip breaker because of being used for a Line-to-Line load. Don't use a handle tie on two single pole breakers because that will be independent trip which is okay on a multiwire branch circuit serving just Line-to-Neutral loads.
 

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We do something similar where I work doing Trade show electric. We use 3 phase 120/ 208v power and have boxes with both 3, 120v receptacles and 1, 208v 20a recpt. in the same box. The 208v plug is supplied by 2 of the 3 available phases so it is possible to use both voltage types at the same time as long as you don't overload the panel breaker. You could put a 220v plug on one side of your double box and a 20a duplex next to it with the hot jumper tab removed to get both voltages out of one box as long as your 2 hot phases are not on the same phase at the breaker panel.
 
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kf4zht

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Perfect. Just need to pick up a double breaker, unless I have one in the spares box.

Now I just have to figure out everything I need to wire the vfd, but that will wait till the lathe gets here
 

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You cannot use phase tape to mark neutrals & grounding conductors smaller then 4 AWG, and all 120 volt receptacles in shops, garages, & outbuildings require GFCI protection, with no exceptions. Need to check code on some other issues. What NEC edition is GA on?
 
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