This is insane! How many calls do you think he will get today?
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This is insane! How many calls do you think he will get today?
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Amazing grace how sweet the 8" vise that used to fulfill a "wreck" like me!
You once were lost but I found you
then hoarded you back for only me to see......
'Twas Demo that taught my desire to wonder and Demo that encourages the Hunt.....but no more 8's because they are small instead we will go for the 10's.....
Amazing grace how sweet the 10's with VISES and women too....I like them both we all know which one I would pick if forced to....
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I think the swivel base is for a Columbian because it had 606-3 on the bottom. The brass jaws are 4 1/2" and in nice shape, and the little vise is super cute. I know nothing about small vises (not that much about big ones either) so if anybody has an idea what it might be, fire away...jaws are 2 3/8" wide on the little guy.
I wish that was 608-3 so I could make my 508 a swiveling *******!
Bellaireroad
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va.grouseman
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G-man, don't know what you paid for all that, but you sure came away with some good stuff.---And the base looks good on the Wilton, Fits perfect and is probably stronger than a Wilton base.---Nice collection of Wiltons to.
mlisac
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I'm in KC. The ad has been up there for a long time. He reposted more than once. Originally, he wanted over $600 for the block grinder. Seriously. The only thing I can think of is that his wife wants him to sell and he doesn't so he prices it too high. "But, honey, I'm trying to sell it"
drivesitfar
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ML: i'll have to remember that one for future if needed.
"But, honey, I'm trying to sell it"
Vises: nice poem. i know which one i'd pick of the 2 10's, but not sure it's the same as you cause you are younger. i think we are on the same page though. good luck in the HUNT. just curious do you smile more on the way to pick up a huge piece of iron or on the way back after you've loaded in on or in your rig and it's yours??
Bcom: i think 12 inch wide jaws on the 695, but i think there is a patent on this thread someplace that might say if you can read it. or maybe it says in the ad.
if i find it i'm still wondering how i'm going to haul it home, but i think i'll figure it out.
"But, honey, I'm trying to sell it"
Vises: nice poem. i know which one i'd pick of the 2 10's, but not sure it's the same as you cause you are younger. i think we are on the same page though. good luck in the HUNT. just curious do you smile more on the way to pick up a huge piece of iron or on the way back after you've loaded in on or in your rig and it's yours??
Bcom: i think 12 inch wide jaws on the 695, but i think there is a patent on this thread someplace that might say if you can read it. or maybe it says in the ad.
if i find it i'm still wondering how i'm going to haul it home, but i think i'll figure it out.
tdcisco1
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that pole mount looks like a champion made by western tool & mfg in springfield oh. jump over to anvilfire.com and scroll down, looks to be the same. the pic shows the missing mount. hope this helps !
ML: i'll have to remember that one for future if needed.
"But, honey, I'm trying to sell it"
Vises: nice poem. i know which one i'd pick of the 2 10's, but not sure it's the same as you cause you are younger. i think we are on the same page though. good luck in the HUNT. just curious do you smile more on the way to pick up a huge piece of iron or on the way back after you've loaded in on or in your rig and it's yours??
Bcom: i think 12 inch wide jaws on the 695, but i think there is a patent on this thread someplace that might say if you can read it. or maybe it says in the ad.
if i find it i'm still wondering how i'm going to haul it home, but i think i'll figure it out.
I'm always smiling! Life is to short to do it any other way!
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drivesitfar
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Vises: AWESOME ATTITUDE!!
Danilo: you'd be surprised just how well the Baby Wiltons are made. if you use them as a third hand they WILL almost last FOREVER with just a little care and maintenance. mine is one of my favorite vises and i use it a fair amount for little stuff. if you can't find a baby in your price range keep your eyes open for a VERSA VISE which are very handy vises too.
Danilo: you'd be surprised just how well the Baby Wiltons are made. if you use them as a third hand they WILL almost last FOREVER with just a little care and maintenance. mine is one of my favorite vises and i use it a fair amount for little stuff. if you can't find a baby in your price range keep your eyes open for a VERSA VISE which are very handy vises too.
va.grouseman
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previously posted by EDGAR.
The picture below was previously posted by a GJ member, can't remember who, but he stated that it is an American Scale with 9 in jaws and 400 lbs.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265588&d=1372504808
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Who was it that said 400 pounders don't swivel?
The picture below was previously posted by a GJ member, can't remember who, but he stated that it is an American Scale with 9 in jaws and 400 lbs.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265588&d=1372504808
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Who was it that said 400 pounders don't swivel?
FMC1959
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If anyone would know, I figured you would know. You are definitely the wiki-vise on this thread...thanks for the info and brochures. When you mentioned Stephens, I remembered the 380 lb...I might have the same orvsimiar brochure. But the Erie, that is almost a shocker. You don't see many to begin with, and for the most part are usually smaller utility vises when you do see one.
I have seen dozens of old and very old Parker brochures, I have never seen mention of a 979; do you have something on it?
The Parker's had a long life with the Eclipse series. The first were the 100 & 200 series. When they went to the 950 & 970 series, the oldest had patent dates and the "squigle" going down the shoulder of the static. Then came with no patent dates, but name and everything was still embossed and still had the squigle. Right around when Union bought Parker, the first ones still had Parker embossed, but the squigle was now a straight line at 45 degrees. Like yours had. The came the ones like yours that have that square indentation where they wrote Parker or Union, and an "A" after the model name. Lastly, I have seen the odd one wit a "B" after the model name....these may have been Union with no mention of Parker. The very last IIRC had gone to regular jaw face like on most vises. That is the unofficial Parker geneology on their most famous line, the Eclipse
EDIT, where I used the word embossed, cast raised lettering would probably be more correct
Originally posted by Demoman.
b100 - I can't believe I did not know this. Of course this means more time looking for the 10".
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Fred, see what you've done.---You've released the Kraken.
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meatsis
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Hey Va, the base on the 600 is an OEM Wilton base. The seller bought it from a guy who had it set up as a fixed base, and the swivel base was dirty, so he put it in the parts cleaner, which removed the paint. He painted it with normal black paint before mounting it on his bench. The good thing is, he said he only used the vise about ten times over the past few years....it was on the wrong side of his welding bench. I checked the swivel base carefully and it was in perfect condition.
The other swivel base is the one from a Columbian....I don't need it, but couldn't pass it up since I know someone out there needs one.
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PghJKB
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I have a number of advertisements for the Pittsburgh 695 pounder. None ever stated the jaw width. These ads state the slide is 7 inches in diameter and the jaw opening is 15 inches.
If the slide is 7 in. in diameter, figure 1.618(the so called Golden Ratio) times 7 for the jaw width? Rounding up from the product of the GR - guesstimate of 12 inches?
Here is a sample of the ads with specs:
Hey VA - What is the ratio between your "Little Pittsburgh" 's slide and jaw? Maybe we can extrapolate from yours to the Big One. Certainly not perfect, but most likely closer than my Golden Ratio product.
JKB
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So the vise (if still around) is 110 years old next month?
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PghJKB
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Bcom
The Pittsburgh design was patented in 1903 (20 Oct), but it looks like the Big One was not produced until 1907 - so...
The vise design is short of 114, the Big One would be 110 right around now (that particular advertisement was 21 Feb 1907).
JKB
CrotalusAtrox
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For every great deal I get I have 4 like this.
So let me paraphrase this ad from Cape Cod. '6" wilton, 4" columbian and metal table $165.00'
I called 1/2 hour aftet the ad was up. SOLD!! DAMN!!!
Joe if you would of gotten there first they probably would of thrown that anvil in to keep the deal together
.Thanks!
MissileBear
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Thanks for the info FMC. After really looking at the vise, I can't say that I'm very impressed with the quality of it. Castings are sloppy and uneven, there are some factory grind marks from flashing removal present, and the handle seems kind of flimsy. Definitely not on par with the older Parkers I have seen.
Not that I'm complaining....just an observation.
Not that I'm complaining....just an observation.
meatsis
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Comes on guys! No ones posted anything for 5 hours! More vise pics more vise pics!
Here's a couple 8 inch Parkers for ya. The last picture shows the big Parker 60X towering over an 8 inch Athol.
Comes on guys! No ones posted anything for 5 hours! More vise pics more vise pics!
This is the most compulsive / obsessive thread I have ever read. But I am reading it!!John
The only direct connection I have found between Reed and Hollands so far.
Richard Pier Wright (1909-1964) was a Director of Reed Mfg for 36 years, treasurer for 16 and it's Senior Vice-President for a decade. http://www.jstor.org/stable/27773175...n_tab_contents
Richard Pier Wright married Emily Louise Rilling in 1936. Emily was the treasurer for Hollands and the daughter of the former treasurer and president of Hollands, Emil Louis Rilling. I don't have exact dates for Emil's presidency but it is probably about from 1926 when his older brother, who was Hollands president dies in 1926 until at least 1942 when he is listed as the president and maybe until Hollands end in 1959.
Richard Pier Wright (1909-1964) was a Director of Reed Mfg for 36 years, treasurer for 16 and it's Senior Vice-President for a decade. http://www.jstor.org/stable/27773175...n_tab_contents
Richard Pier Wright married Emily Louise Rilling in 1936. Emily was the treasurer for Hollands and the daughter of the former treasurer and president of Hollands, Emil Louis Rilling. I don't have exact dates for Emil's presidency but it is probably about from 1926 when his older brother, who was Hollands president dies in 1926 until at least 1942 when he is listed as the president and maybe until Hollands end in 1959.
Hahaha! Look what i got in the mail today for FREE! Thank you member (VISEs)! It will have a good home here. I can use a nice smaller vise. Grand #3 quickcet !
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Somebody was asking about Simplex the other day, but I can't find the post. Damn, this thread moves fast.
Here's what I have on the ownership of Simplex
1923 Simplex Tool Company of Woonsocket came to market with the "Simplex Gray" bench vise. The claimed improvement was the all steel slide which would eliminate breakage.
1931 the company was taken over by the similarly named Simplex Corporation who continued production of the vises.
1939 ? first reference I can find to Desmond owning the name
The Desmond- Stephan Mfg. Co., Urbana, Ohio, has recently brought out two new Simplex .
1964 Sold by Desmond Stephan to The Ridge Tool Co (RIDGID is a trade name of Ridge) - (Ridge became part of Emerson in 1966)
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SIMPLEX BENCH VISE A bench vise known as the "Simplex Gray" is made by the Simplex Tool Co., Woonsocket, R. I. The particular feature of this vise is the fact that it is provided with an all-steel slide for the purpose of eliminating breakage.
1923 Machinery - Volume 30 -- Page 485
The square thread screw is machine cut and is retained in place by a cap in front of the sliding jaw, which eliminates the necessity of coring the inside of the vise for a collar. The Simplex Gray, as it is called, is made in sizes of from 3 to 7 in.
1924 Motor Transport - Page 103
Vise Has All Steel Slide The Simplex Tool Co., Woonsocket, R- I- has placed on the market a vise having an all steel slide. The body of the vise is cast of special crucible metal and the jaws are made of fine grade steel hardened and ground.
1924 The Iron Trade Review - Volume 74 - Page 426
Simplex Corporation, Woonsocket, R. I., has taken over the Simplex Tool Co. The new company will specialize in the manufacture of the Simplex line of steel slide vises developed by the old company in 1924.
1931 Machinery - Volume 38 page 80
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We thank you for your interest in our Simplex Vises. We made a number of models from the small utility vise to the larger industrial models. We sold this division to the Ridge Tool Company in Elyria, Ohio back in 1964. They are now part of Emerson Electric. I have enclosed several pages out of our catalog published at that time.
We started making these vises back in 1929, and sold them through the industrial supply distributors. Hope this information is of some help
Very Truly,
The Desmond Stephan MFG. Co.
R.B.McConnell President
Here's what I have on the ownership of Simplex
1923 Simplex Tool Company of Woonsocket came to market with the "Simplex Gray" bench vise. The claimed improvement was the all steel slide which would eliminate breakage.
1931 the company was taken over by the similarly named Simplex Corporation who continued production of the vises.
1939 ? first reference I can find to Desmond owning the name
The Desmond- Stephan Mfg. Co., Urbana, Ohio, has recently brought out two new Simplex .
1964 Sold by Desmond Stephan to The Ridge Tool Co (RIDGID is a trade name of Ridge) - (Ridge became part of Emerson in 1966)
reference info
SIMPLEX BENCH VISE A bench vise known as the "Simplex Gray" is made by the Simplex Tool Co., Woonsocket, R. I. The particular feature of this vise is the fact that it is provided with an all-steel slide for the purpose of eliminating breakage.
1923 Machinery - Volume 30 -- Page 485
The square thread screw is machine cut and is retained in place by a cap in front of the sliding jaw, which eliminates the necessity of coring the inside of the vise for a collar. The Simplex Gray, as it is called, is made in sizes of from 3 to 7 in.
1924 Motor Transport - Page 103
Vise Has All Steel Slide The Simplex Tool Co., Woonsocket, R- I- has placed on the market a vise having an all steel slide. The body of the vise is cast of special crucible metal and the jaws are made of fine grade steel hardened and ground.
1924 The Iron Trade Review - Volume 74 - Page 426
Simplex Corporation, Woonsocket, R. I., has taken over the Simplex Tool Co. The new company will specialize in the manufacture of the Simplex line of steel slide vises developed by the old company in 1924.
1931 Machinery - Volume 38 page 80
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http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3190212&postcount=8714
We thank you for your interest in our Simplex Vises. We made a number of models from the small utility vise to the larger industrial models. We sold this division to the Ridge Tool Company in Elyria, Ohio back in 1964. They are now part of Emerson Electric. I have enclosed several pages out of our catalog published at that time.
We started making these vises back in 1929, and sold them through the industrial supply distributors. Hope this information is of some help
Very Truly,
The Desmond Stephan MFG. Co.
R.B.McConnell President
454ragtop
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Thanks B100, that helps clear up a question I had in that other thread you referred to. That thread is here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182108
A little trick to find threads you have already responded to is to scan down the left side and any threads that you have a post in will have a green box, makes it pretty quick since you don't have to read the titles.
A little trick to find threads you have already responded to is to scan down the left side and any threads that you have a post in will have a green box, makes it pretty quick since you don't have to read the titles.
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by PghJKB.
Hey VA - What is the ratio between your "Little Pittsburgh" 's slide and jaw? Maybe we can extrapolate from yours to the Big One. Certainly not perfect, but most likely closer than my Golden Ratio product.
JKB[/QUOTE]
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Sorry about the delay, been traveling today.---Here's what I have.---Hope you can work with this.---NOTE the key and keyway, with its grease, kind of like a Wilton.---It weighs 4.2 lbs. and has 1 3/4'' jaws with screwed in replaceable jaw inserts.---Slide carriage is 3 1/4''.
Do I need to measure the length of the entire dynamic?
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Hey VA - What is the ratio between your "Little Pittsburgh" 's slide and jaw? Maybe we can extrapolate from yours to the Big One. Certainly not perfect, but most likely closer than my Golden Ratio product.
JKB[/QUOTE]
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Sorry about the delay, been traveling today.---Here's what I have.---Hope you can work with this.---NOTE the key and keyway, with its grease, kind of like a Wilton.---It weighs 4.2 lbs. and has 1 3/4'' jaws with screwed in replaceable jaw inserts.---Slide carriage is 3 1/4''.
Do I need to measure the length of the entire dynamic?
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_1885.jpg
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_1884.jpg
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_1878.jpg
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ganymede
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Oh weird. If the Desmond presidents statement is correct then they were manufacturing vises at the same time Simplex Co was.
Thanks for posting that and thanks to Kevin for emailing them !!
Hahaha! Look what i got in the mail today for FREE! Thank you member (VISEs)! It will have a good home here. I can use a nice smaller vise. Grand #3 quickcet !
Get r done!!
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Outlawmws
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Yet another Wilton forerunner!
jimreed2160
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I have over a dozen vises mounted and in use in my woodworking shop. Then there are the dozen or so in the back room. I know everyone here understands the need to be surrounded by cast iron.
So my daughter recently took up jewelry making as a hobby. I started her off with a few small vises from my stash. In the last few months, she has gotten serious and has made some really nice earrings and such. I sent her a picture of a nice Craftsman screw mount and asked her if she needed it. Her response was priceless. Here is the direct quote.
"Sure. You can't have too many vises."
So my daughter recently took up jewelry making as a hobby. I started her off with a few small vises from my stash. In the last few months, she has gotten serious and has made some really nice earrings and such. I sent her a picture of a nice Craftsman screw mount and asked her if she needed it. Her response was priceless. Here is the direct quote.
"Sure. You can't have too many vises."
