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I know the insulation conversation was a while ago, if you are doing the under slab, consider doing the foundation sides as well. It will keep heat from being lost to the surrounding soils in cold weather.

While it's always easy to spend others money, the slab and foundation insulation, along with the radiant heat tubes are a low cost addition that can't be added down the road. The insulation will pay from day one, the tubes can't hurt and you'll have the option of adding a very efficient heat source at a future date.

It appears this is a generational home for you, as they say, proper prior planning...

Great design and location! Looking forward to seeing your progress.
 
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Im a couple weeks out from my pole barn going up... I had a sudden epiphany after completeing my dirt work and staking out the shop -that i need to add another OHD to the gable wall.

I previously had a single 12x12 door in the gable wall with 13' sidewalls. The use of raised cord (1:12) trusses barely let the door fit. Now that i added another door my builder is saying that i have to go up another foot to 14 eve height. I don't want to do that.

So i am considering going with the (2) 12x10 doors in the gable instead.

My father built my house , its a lifetime home for us. If i do, i do not care about resale value.
I will never own an RV. We had one as a kid and ya no thanks.
I don't see myself owning a backhoe or anything large than a smaller tractor with FEL (like 40hp max).

I like hotrods, customs and trucks. My shop will be used for building cars, wood work, storage and a place to hang out. Honestly i can't find much justification for the 12x12 in the first place. Im kinda thinking about dropping down to 12' and sticking with all 10' tall doors.

Any body have any other reasons to talk me into why I need a bigger door? I would really appreciate your input, thanks for letting me run this by you all.

Here's a model I drew showing the 12x10 vs the 12x12

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PurdueSD said:
Im a couple weeks out from my pole barn going up... I had a sudden epiphany after completeing my dirt work and staking out the shop -that i need to add another OHD to the gable wall.

I previously had a single 12x12 door in the gable wall with 13' sidewalls. The use of raised cord (1:12) trusses barely let the door fit. Now that i added another door my builder is saying that i have to go up another foot to 14 eve height. I don't want to do that.

So i am considering going with the (2) 12x10 doors in the gable instead.

My father built my house , its a lifetime home for us. If i do, i do not care about resale value.
I will never own an RV. We had one as a kid and ya no thanks.
I don't see myself owning a backhoe or anything large than a smaller tractor with FEL (like 40hp max).

I like hotrods, customs and trucks. My shop will be used for building cars, wood work, storage and a place to hang out. Honestly i can't find much justification for the 12x12 in the first place. Im kinda thinking about dropping back to an 12' and sticking with all 10' tall doors.

Any body have any other reasons to talk me into why I need a bigger door? I would really appreciate your input, thanks for letting me run this by you all.
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IF and I mean IF you have no intentions of ever having an RV or anything taller and not needing a 12' tall door I think you will be fine with 10' tall doors.

On my last shop I had a 12' tall by 20' wide door and our first motorhome that barely fit it was needed. The first few years with that motorhome it was great until we upsized to a 38' long motorhome that would not fit due to the shop only being 34' deep (actually closer to 31' deep because of workbench). In the remaining 20 or so years I never really needed that 12' tall door because the motorhomes would not fit anyways and I didn't really work on anything that wouldn't have fit under a 10' door, even very high lifted trucks would fit comfortably under a 10' door.

That's my .02 anyways.

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Thanks! zm! Now they are saying they can use a low clearance track and maintain the 12' doors that i won't ever need ;) Hah!
 
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Thanks! zm! Now they are saying they can use a low clearance track and maintain the 12' doors that i won't ever need ;) Hah!
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Also keep in mind light placement. With a low clearance track it will tuck it up tighter to the ceiling and clearance with lights or anything else protruding down below the ceiling could possibly be an issue so just keep that in mind.

Congrats on breaking ground and having some progress take place.

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This.... I love this! You have obviously taken the time to place this on your property well, and have a very important thing- VISION. Not everyone will like your vision, but that's OK, it is YOURS. Personally, I love it. I am also in Southern Indiana (Near the thriving Metropolis of Hope) and I too am in my "forever home", Lord willing. Right next to the house I grew up in (dad still lives there, and 950 sg ft was not going to cut it for a family of 7, lol).

Not everyone "gets" southern Indiana. It is a special place. Yeah, we have some issues, but it's God's Country out here!

As for your layout and design, I wish the PO of our property had your vision. Our house is right on the road, Shop is too close to the property line and could have had a pond view (as could the house) but "it was cheaper to run the utilities a shorter distance". People can be so short-sighted sometimes. A one time cost holds too many folks back from greatness in design. The south facing windows will NOT freeze you out in the winter, quite the opposite. You will have a nice solar collector there, FREE heat, especially if you do your floor in a darker tone, and BOOM, heated floor too (well, partially, lol)

My biggest complaint about my shop (and advice #1 I would give to anyone building a shop) is to NEVER, EVER face a door due west. Not around here at least. The afternoon sun beats in, rain beat on the door and is a battle for water infiltration (or can be) and then if you have trees- leaves blow in, debris, etc.

Anyway, I love this, Subbing, and I would love to get a better idea where you are. I have traveled Indiana a good part of my career as a commercial HVAC tech, and know the state rather well. Beautiful place, great story too.
 
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Big Daddy Chop Shop said:
This.... I love this! You have obviously taken the time to place this on your property well, and have a very important thing- VISION. Not everyone will like your vision, but that's OK, it is YOURS. Personally, I love it. I am also in Southern Indiana (Near the thriving Metropolis of Hope) and I too am in my "forever home", Lord willing. Right next to the house I grew up in (dad still lives there, and 950 sg ft was not going to cut it for a family of 7, lol).

Not everyone "gets" southern Indiana. It is a special place. Yeah, we have some issues, but it's God's Country out here!

As for your layout and design, I wish the PO of our property had your vision. Our house is right on the road, Shop is too close to the property line and could have had a pond view (as could the house) but "it was cheaper to run the utilities a shorter distance". People can be so short-sighted sometimes. A one time cost holds too many folks back from greatness in design. The south facing windows will NOT freeze you out in the winter, quite the opposite. You will have a nice solar collector there, FREE heat, especially if you do your floor in a darker tone, and BOOM, heated floor too (well, partially, lol)

My biggest complaint about my shop (and advice #1 I would give to anyone building a shop) is to NEVER, EVER face a door due west. Not around here at least. The afternoon sun beats in, rain beat on the door and is a battle for water infiltration (or can be) and then if you have trees- leaves blow in, debris, etc.

Anyway, I love this, Subbing, and I would love to get a better idea where you are. I have traveled Indiana a good part of my career as a commercial HVAC tech, and know the state rather well. Beautiful place, great story too.
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Thank you! If I'm being honest i have to admit that I really enjoy the design/ layout process. Im a bit of an over thinker on my personal projects.

I agree with you about southern indiana. Although i am sure I'm partial. (I've lived here my whole life basically) Some of the stuff i read on here that people in other parts of the country have to deal with blows me away.

Anyways, My doors face SW and SE. Its not what i would pick for exposure ideally but simply what my site dictates. I am very happy with it now that i have it all staked out. A large maple and edge of woodline will block most all the sun on the SW side in the summer. The SE side of the shop will get a bit of late morning summer sun, but ill probably plant another tree to eventually cure that.

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What do you guys think about my lighting plan?
It will have an spiral HVAC supply run shown in the diagram. My main work areas will be where i have set the strips of T8s. Workbenches, welding etc.

Looking at it it seemed like i have an awful lot of light, maybe too much. My last shop had a 10' ceiling and 3 rows of t8s spaced about 9' apart. It was plenty of light for my needs.

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I think I've got all the pictures uploaded here and changed over, boy that was fun.

Anyways, BUILDING DELIVERY TOMORROW!!
 
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Day 2 wrap up/ morning of Day 3

Initial impressions. To say I'm impressed so far would be an understatement. Ive worked with "above average" barn builders before. The level of thought, planning and materials that Morton has used, is more than worth the extra money. I was stuck between building this barn myself with traditional foundation and stick walls and going with Morton. I can honestly say (so far) Im am very happy with my decision. There is so much pre engineered prep in the delivered materials that this barn is easily twice as nice as post frame buildings i have been around previously.

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Ryan said:
This is gonna be really fun to watch... I like your design aesthetic a lot!
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Thanks ryan! Big compliment coming from you, I've enjoyed watching your shop come together! I also got to check out rex rods while at the lsru this year, steal an idea here, steal one there... etc.

( I'm the guy that you shared that picture of my wife and I in our phaeton on congress with... a couple years back in front of C boys.)
 
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Going to be a nice place .. Morton does do a nice job, you pay for it however
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You do, but if you break their quote down and make sure that you are comparing apples to apples its not as bad as you think. Take for instance... Company X didn't have garage door openers quoted on all the doors. Morton's first price always has extras in it... cupolas, vented soffit and ridge, insulation, interior skin, etc. What initially looks like a very big number actually isn't as bad as you would think.

ON A SERATE BUILD.
I had morton and company X quote a barn at a hunting property i built. Initially the quote was like 30% higher from morton. After dissecting it down and making sure the quotes where for the same extras... Morton was around 10% higher.

On my last barn, I chose company X. They are the other top barn builder in my area, supposedly premium level. The build was nightmare city. I waited 4 weeks while the barn was half built for them to deliver the windows after they ordered them wrong. In the end, the quality of finished product was less than i had hoped. Ive had a couple issues with quality of work I've had to address. Covered porch has steel wrapped columns that they set the steel on the concrete. When the ground froze the first winter it ruined the column wraps. Also parts of the barn are wavy which drives me crazy everytime i drive up. The lumber they delivered and used was really crappy and twisty.

It really made the build an unpleasant experience. For this one I sucked it up and payed a bit more. The building is going to be 50% nicer in the end it looks like so far. Chevrolet vs Cadillac. Actually maybe more like Hyundai vs BMW.
 
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Big Dad said:
I priced one before I built what I did ..

Much higher
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Really? I have tended to find that when you "compare apples with apples" with companies who have a reputation of being expensive they are often not as expensive as they initially appear.

PurdueSD has clearly made a considered decision to pay for someone to build this to the right quality at a price he is happy with. Bearing mind that he is not planning to move in the foreseeable future I consider that a sensible move.

Also reputable companies tend to deal with issues which crop-up in a more professional manner.

Finally bearing in mind the major disruption a build causes the speed of the build is money in the bank in my opinion.
 
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I had two 10x10 dual pane doors facing south,well insulated shop,required very little heat during the day in winter. Gave up some at night, had a little snowmelt above the doors but very minor. Very nice looking for sure.
 

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