The Best Light Fixture Ever!
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AuroraSC
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I came across another lighting supply house that seems to have a better deal on the two-lamp LED fixtures by a few dollars. They can't seem to match the price on the 2600 lumen lamps unfortunately.
Anything I'm missing?
https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/200882/PLT-10916.html
Anything I'm missing?
https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/200882/PLT-10916.html
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Platonic Solid
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AuroraSC - Yes, there is something you're missing = The outrageous shipping charge.
AuroraSC
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At the quantity of 24 fixtures, my shipping rate was ~$82 which translates to about $3.42/ea. Doing a little math, I would be at $14.40/ea which is a little over a dollar less than the current leader. I'm sure this won't always translate depending on scale.
I've talked to one of their sales guys and it sounds like they can give quantity pricing for the area I'm at. I'll let you all know if I can get something worked out for any better pricing. Just trying to offer up another option for those of us bargain hunters.
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Platonic Solid
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Good catch, though actual shipping cost is a tough one to make allowance for as it may differ depending on location. For me in CT, my shipping rate for 24 fixtures is $145.18 which translates to $6.05/ea., thus $17.04 per housing. So if your near 1000bulbs home base of Garland, TX 75041 this is a viable option.
Bodaway
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Great information, but a bit overwhelming for a novice.
Simple 40x50 pole building, general homeowner use, working on cars, light wood working and light fabrication.
White metal throughout, with 12 foot ceilings.
One of the layouts that was in Platonic Solid's design thread should work for me.
Would the combination of the housing and bulbs in the original posting hung at 10' work for my application? Are reflectors or filters needed?
thanks,
John
Simple 40x50 pole building, general homeowner use, working on cars, light wood working and light fabrication.
White metal throughout, with 12 foot ceilings.
One of the layouts that was in Platonic Solid's design thread should work for me.
Would the combination of the housing and bulbs in the original posting hung at 10' work for my application? Are reflectors or filters needed?
thanks,
John
AuroraSC
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I used the site linked below as a general reference for the light output at work height for specific instances.
They described illumination in foot candles, which is defined as: a unit of illumination equal to that given by a source of one candela at a distance of one foot (equivalent to one lumen per square foot or 10.764 lux).
http://www.bristolite.com/interfaces/media/Footcandle Recommendations by Guth.pdf
I've seen where many on this board seem to want 85-100fc at your work surface, which is attainable but can be quite expensive for large areas. I'm targeting closer to 50fc for my 2400sqft shop and will use additional work lighting in areas as needed. This will help me stay within budget while still getting enough light to be satisfied. The decision of "how much light" will be different for each person and situation.
Use the link below as an aid in getting a rough idea of the output based on the geometry of your shop.
http://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/default.aspx?id=14782
This is all very elementary stuff for a good portion viewing this page, but these are all things I've had to figure out in the last few weeks and hopefully it gets other on track a little quicker.
They described illumination in foot candles, which is defined as: a unit of illumination equal to that given by a source of one candela at a distance of one foot (equivalent to one lumen per square foot or 10.764 lux).
http://www.bristolite.com/interfaces/media/Footcandle Recommendations by Guth.pdf
I've seen where many on this board seem to want 85-100fc at your work surface, which is attainable but can be quite expensive for large areas. I'm targeting closer to 50fc for my 2400sqft shop and will use additional work lighting in areas as needed. This will help me stay within budget while still getting enough light to be satisfied. The decision of "how much light" will be different for each person and situation.
Use the link below as an aid in getting a rough idea of the output based on the geometry of your shop.
http://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/default.aspx?id=14782
This is all very elementary stuff for a good portion viewing this page, but these are all things I've had to figure out in the last few weeks and hopefully it gets other on track a little quicker.
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Platonic Solid
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Thank you AuroraSC. There is just too much demand for me to address everyone's needs. It's not like I'm retired with nothing else to do. I have a full time+ job with many projects of my own. I actually left GJ for a year after being overwhelmed.
Bodaway - Yes, the post 1 fixture/lamps will work nicely at 10ft without reflectors.
Bodaway - Yes, the post 1 fixture/lamps will work nicely at 10ft without reflectors.
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Platonic Solid
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Since I can't possibly keep up with the demand for lighting layouts I went through the Visual Photometric Tool that is prelinked to Acuity Brand IES files and selected a similar output and wattage Lithonia fixture to the LumenGen/Metalux striplight combo on page 1 (link).
The closest I can find to the LumenGen/Metalux striplight combo which is Lithonia CLX L48 5000LM. The LumenGen/Metalux striplight combo is an affordable option for up to 10ft mounting height. Here is the link with the CLX L48 5000LM fixture preselected.
Now select "TOOLS" (at top left), then "Interior".
Insert dimensions of your area in the boxes.
Standard Ceiling,wall,floor reflectance is 70,50,20. If your ceiling and walls are unfinished wood, change reflectance to 20,20,20.
Insert 100fc or your desired level at workplane in the illuminance criteria box. (Industry standard for Automotive Maintenance and Machine Repair is 93fc @ 30" workplane.)
Note every time you make a change it takes a few seconds to update.
Near the bottom you can change fixture rotation and Suspension Length (distance of fixture from the ceiling).
See illuminance changes and fixture Qty. upper right corner.
Check "layout" box (middle right) to see fixture location dimensions.
If you need to mount fixtures higher than 10ft Lithonia has highbay fixtures similar to James, DivaLite,... you just have to load the most similar Lithonia IES file to the fixture you're considering via "Open" on the main Visual Photometric Tool tab. Then go to Lithonia Lighting/High Bay/IBH and search the specs. Fastest way is to download the fixture PDF and compare specs that way, then select the corresponding IES file.
The closest I can find to the LumenGen/Metalux striplight combo which is Lithonia CLX L48 5000LM. The LumenGen/Metalux striplight combo is an affordable option for up to 10ft mounting height. Here is the link with the CLX L48 5000LM fixture preselected.
Now select "TOOLS" (at top left), then "Interior".
Insert dimensions of your area in the boxes.
Standard Ceiling,wall,floor reflectance is 70,50,20. If your ceiling and walls are unfinished wood, change reflectance to 20,20,20.
Insert 100fc or your desired level at workplane in the illuminance criteria box. (Industry standard for Automotive Maintenance and Machine Repair is 93fc @ 30" workplane.)
Note every time you make a change it takes a few seconds to update.
Near the bottom you can change fixture rotation and Suspension Length (distance of fixture from the ceiling).
See illuminance changes and fixture Qty. upper right corner.
Check "layout" box (middle right) to see fixture location dimensions.
If you need to mount fixtures higher than 10ft Lithonia has highbay fixtures similar to James, DivaLite,... you just have to load the most similar Lithonia IES file to the fixture you're considering via "Open" on the main Visual Photometric Tool tab. Then go to Lithonia Lighting/High Bay/IBH and search the specs. Fastest way is to download the fixture PDF and compare specs that way, then select the corresponding IES file.
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AP514
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thanks for the Calc tool..but to stay in my budget I can only go 60fc....24 fixtures.
wondering what kind of lite that will be...hard to compare. I guess it will be 100% better than the 4- T12's I have had in the garage all this time.....
wondering what kind of lite that will be...hard to compare. I guess it will be 100% better than the 4- T12's I have had in the garage all this time.....
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Platonic Solid
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60fc is fine. Just add task lighting to critical areas. 100fc is nice, but it's certainly not required.
Thanks for the link and info PS!
I was just about to ask about laying out lights for my shop.
building is 30x40x10, so about 29x39 inside. Its all white metal walls and ceiling, and will have light gray floor. I am planning on a infra red tube heater right down the center of the ceiling so no lights there. With the illuminance at 90, it looks like that will work. (24 fixtures)
Is the 70 50 20 a good setting for the all white interior and gray floor?
I was just about to ask about laying out lights for my shop.
building is 30x40x10, so about 29x39 inside. Its all white metal walls and ceiling, and will have light gray floor. I am planning on a infra red tube heater right down the center of the ceiling so no lights there. With the illuminance at 90, it looks like that will work. (24 fixtures)
Is the 70 50 20 a good setting for the all white interior and gray floor?
AP514
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Platonic Solid
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I would leave it at that. Those numbers are actually based on White paint = standard flat white ceiling paint and white eggshell walls. If you want more exact figures you'll have to ask the the various manufacturers for the reflectance of their white insulation and/or white finished interior metal.
AP514
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Well, I just checked the prices and 1000bulbs are cheap. But they added shipping to Houston..Still the cheapest so far 24 units was $335 total, Bees was $359 total. and the Shineretrofits was $383.
Thank you Sir!
AuroraSC
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I'm glad this was helpful info! Let us know what you think when you get them installed.
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Platonic Solid
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Vte - Yes, the bulbs are still the best deal I've found to-date. The housing is a good deal too, but as you see in recent posts above, you may save a few bucks from 1000bulbs... depending on shipping costs to your location.
4000K or 5000K either is fine.
4000K or 5000K either is fine.
bbd4
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I've been lurking since May when I started building my 26x24 detached Garage.
I feel compelled to 'break the ice' here with a heartfelt thank you to Platonic Solid for his tireless dedication to this thread.
You are a class act. As many before me, I can go forth with confidence in tackling a subject that was once confusing and daunting.
I'll dedicate the first flip of the switch to you.
Thank you
Bob D.
I feel compelled to 'break the ice' here with a heartfelt thank you to Platonic Solid for his tireless dedication to this thread.
You are a class act. As many before me, I can go forth with confidence in tackling a subject that was once confusing and daunting.
I'll dedicate the first flip of the switch to you.
Thank you
Bob D.
Kaufmanrider
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Platonic Solid
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Kaufmanrider - I know it's hard to get an accurate light representation from a picture, but that looks darn good even with wood walls and open ceiling. Thanks for posting a picture
biggziff
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Has anyone tried these Canopy lights?
https://beeslighting.com/led-canopy...MIoergo-rI1gIVCbjACh0oTgtMEAQYASABEgLJo_D_BwE
A friend is considering them and has me looking also.
15' ceilings, motorcoach sized garages.
Thanks
https://beeslighting.com/led-canopy...MIoergo-rI1gIVCbjACh0oTgtMEAQYASABEgLJo_D_BwE
A friend is considering them and has me looking also.
15' ceilings, motorcoach sized garages.
Thanks
1000 bulbs wants $131.00 to ship 24 to NJ. Total $395.70 + tax I guess. You have to create an account to see the final price?
Shine retro is $412.34 total, no shipping.
Lightup is at 335.52 for 24 bulbs, free shipping. I don't know about the tax here either.
Oh and whats the best color option? 3,4,5k? I must have missed it in all the reading.
I'm putting up white walls now and want to buy these soon.
Shine retro is $412.34 total, no shipping.
Lightup is at 335.52 for 24 bulbs, free shipping. I don't know about the tax here either.
Oh and whats the best color option? 3,4,5k? I must have missed it in all the reading.
I'm putting up white walls now and want to buy these soon.
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Platonic Solid
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No Manufacturer info.
No IES file.
No distribution plot.
Canopy Lights are for exterior use and likely have conical distribution which will give you the dark ceiling cave effect.
Not enough lumen output per fixture for 15ft mounting height.
Suggest seeking high bay fixtures with 18000 to 28000 lumen output.
Something like this: James High Bay, 2 Foot, 165 Watt, 24,563 lm, $150 (link)
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Platonic Solid
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Please be more specific on qty and items you're quoting.
Suggest going with post#1 recommendation if you're seeking LED strip lights.
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Woops, Sorry.
24 fixtures and 48 bulbs. I used links in first post and the last one posted to 1000bulbs.
I made a typo when I mentioned Lightup, should have ben 48, not 24.
So it looks like shine retro and lightup is my best bet.
24 fixtures and 48 bulbs. I used links in first post and the last one posted to 1000bulbs.
I made a typo when I mentioned Lightup, should have ben 48, not 24.
So it looks like shine retro and lightup is my best bet.
biggziff
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Thank you for the info. Greatly appreciated.
how many fc is that thanks
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Platonic Solid
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47 fc @ 30" workplane with Ceiling|Wall|Floor reflectance of 70|50|20
38 fc ... 20|20|20 Bare wood ceiling and walls
Kaufmanrider
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I don't have a light meter but I used one of Platonic Solid's recommendations, post #15 on https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289441
The lower right recommendation. Call it number 4.
My electrician was going to do 6 4ft LED lights which he thought would be enough but I insisted on the 9 laid out in rows of three.
Long time lurker.
Thank to @PS and others for helping us out with our questions.
I've got a pretty standard garage set up and bought fixtures and bulbs based on others input.
Not sure if someone has mention this un a previous post. To save a little more from Light Up use this code for an additional 10%. Every little bit helps.
www.lightup.com
REVIEW10
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Thank to @PS and others for helping us out with our questions.
I've got a pretty standard garage set up and bought fixtures and bulbs based on others input.
Not sure if someone has mention this un a previous post. To save a little more from Light Up use this code for an additional 10%. Every little bit helps.
www.lightup.com
REVIEW10
Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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Platonic Solid
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xjfan - 10% off an already low price is darn good! Please confirm this is 10% and not $10 and I'll update post #1 accordingly.
Thank you
Thank you
Here are part the emails I received.
I got 2 emails with codes.
One for subscribing.
One for reviewing.
(Subscription email)
Thanks for your subscription.
As a newsletter subscriber you'll receive the latest news from LightUp.com, including sale information and valuable coupons.
As our way of saying thanks we would like to offer you a 10% discount* on your next purchase!
To redeem this offer, please enter the following coupon code at checkout:
NEWS10%
...........................................
(Review email)
Dear Valued Customer,
Thanks again for ordering from us. Please post an online review of the product(s) you purchased and receive an additional 10% OFF your next order.
Use Coupon Code: REVIEW10
......................................................
Hope this will help others. I'm pretty sure either code should work.
If something changes, I'll update this thread.
Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
I got 2 emails with codes.
One for subscribing.
One for reviewing.
(Subscription email)
Thanks for your subscription.
As a newsletter subscriber you'll receive the latest news from LightUp.com, including sale information and valuable coupons.
As our way of saying thanks we would like to offer you a 10% discount* on your next purchase!
To redeem this offer, please enter the following coupon code at checkout:
NEWS10%
...........................................
(Review email)
Dear Valued Customer,
Thanks again for ordering from us. Please post an online review of the product(s) you purchased and receive an additional 10% OFF your next order.
Use Coupon Code: REVIEW10
......................................................
Hope this will help others. I'm pretty sure either code should work.
If something changes, I'll update this thread.
Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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ShadowRuleZ
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xjfan - 10% off an already low price is darn good! Please confirm this is 10% and not $10 and I'll update post #1 accordingly.
Thank you
Came up for 10% for me, really close to ordering. Any concerns with a CRI of 80?
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Platonic Solid
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No concern with CRI 80. People have been functioning just fine for decades in fluorescent environments with CRI less than 80.
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Platonic Solid
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Page 1 updated with lightup.com 10% off codes.
pointer80
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Hello Platonic Solid, I am getting ready to install lights in my work shop and was wondering what kind of layout you recommend. I included a rough sketch of my shop, I was going to go with the lights and bulbs that you recommend at the start of this thread. My space is 30x30 with approximately 10 foot ceiling height. The walls and ceiling are osb. painted flat white. I also have a L shaped work bench. I am in my mid 50's and my eyes are not getting any better..lol. Thank you so much for the input.
