henry29
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Looks like there are a bunch of suppliers not selling to sears anymore,
https://www.docdroid.net/CuPD0xd/sears-tools-discontinued-list.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/CuPD0xd/sears-tools-discontinued-list.pdf
Large list of craftsman tools soon to be discontinued
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jakemac
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Apex may not be backing out, per se.
They've been having product shortages and distribution issues for a while now. None of which will be solved until they can figure out how they can remove the thumb that they firmly shoved in the wrong place.
They've been having product shortages and distribution issues for a while now. None of which will be solved until they can figure out how they can remove the thumb that they firmly shoved in the wrong place.
Bockscar
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It hasn't ended entirely....Whirlpool will still make Kenmore
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I guess this is news about tools so it's germane to this discussion board. Can we just make a child forum for defunt tool brands? I understand the nostalgia for Craftsman. I grew up with them as well. But that is gone just like a pretty large number of brands. Sears is a cadaver, a zombie, dead man walking. Just like Radio Shack a company we all made purchases from which felt like it would always be around.
Things change and the world moves on. Talking about Sears dying is not very interesting though.
Things change and the world moves on. Talking about Sears dying is not very interesting though.
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jonesg
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Too true, maybe Amazon will buy Sears out and kill it off permanently.
When they're gone I expect bidding wars to drive the price of a socket on eBay to $50.
Because it's not about the tools.
Rustypigeon
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Looks like Hangzhou Great Star Tools replaces Western Forge for screwdrivers.
Gee, wonder where those are made.
They are made in Hangzhou Kansas of course.
finn
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You negative nanny’s are reading a lot into that list.
First, vendor changes happen every day in not only retail businesses, but in manufacturing too.
Second, the Whirlpool deal has been public for months, so what’s the surprise here.
Third, with SBD acquiring the Craftsman brand, why would one be surprised that there wouldn’t be changes in suppliers. Wasn’t that all part of the announcement?
Fourth, product models go out of production every day. Look at a Sears catalog from 1970 and find one sku that remains in their portfolio. (Whoops, sku’s weren’ Invented yet in 1970). I’m betting that 90% on the vendors are gone too.
First, vendor changes happen every day in not only retail businesses, but in manufacturing too.
Second, the Whirlpool deal has been public for months, so what’s the surprise here.
Third, with SBD acquiring the Craftsman brand, why would one be surprised that there wouldn’t be changes in suppliers. Wasn’t that all part of the announcement?
Fourth, product models go out of production every day. Look at a Sears catalog from 1970 and find one sku that remains in their portfolio. (Whoops, sku’s weren’ Invented yet in 1970). I’m betting that 90% on the vendors are gone too.
bcradio
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Thanks OP, I read that whole thing word for word. 
four.cycle
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finn said:
^ this.
red-lining items is normal day-to-day stuff in inventory management.
if it isn't moving, you dump it. simple.
my guess is the bean-counters wanted a faster turnover ratio.
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jonesg;6996584 Originally Posted by Tallpilot View Post said:
I'm confused by this. Craftsman will not be a defunct tool brand any time soon, with what SBD is doing they will be bigger than ever. In fact, Amazon has already signed on to carry Craftsman. I don't think Amazon would buy Sears, but if they did it would be for the retail stores to get them into all those malls, they would be Amazons, likely a real estate transaction in a Sears bankruptcy.
guy48065
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Well that would get me back through the door. Potentially WAY more interesting than any Sharper Image store!
Moose-LandTran
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Why would Amazon buy Sears? Their entire business model is online sales/e-commerce, no retail outlets and minimal overheads. Amazon is the total opposite of walk-in retail, so they would have no reason to move into that market when their business formula is what has made them have a 136 billion dollar operating revenue, a little under 10 times Sears' revenue.
Thanks, I missed that one. I also just read that Amazon will be selling Kenmore.
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kythri
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Except, Amazon is piloting walk-in retail store locations right now...
Of course, it's not the traditional style of store - you electronically sign-in when you enter, and there's no checkout line, electronic controls monitor what you leave with, and charge your account accordingly.
Here's another negative for you to explain away. A few weeks ago Sears stock was around 6 bucks. It is now $2.58. They are circling the drain. You can stand outside the boarded up store and rant at us "negative nannies". Just for fun, HD stock is close to $200 a share. Sears/Kmart closes a few hundred stores every few months. When they run out of stores and the stock goes much lower, they are GONE. They can probably hang on as an internet business but their web site really *****.
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I would be shocked if Amazon bought Sears. Why would a retail giant buy a store with such a horrible reputation?
Amazon bought Whole Foods. It may be too expensive for some folks, but it's a quality store with quality goods for sale. It didn't cause any harm to Amazon's reputation, and gave them almost 500 retail locations. Those locations already have decent employees who understand retail.
The last time I went into a Sears, it was dirty, unfriendly, poorly stocked and the staff was very clear that they didn't care about anything. I just don't see how Amazon would want to try and resurrect something so broken.
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Yes he's right, Amazon is getting into the retail world now. I look for Amazon stores to be everywhere in the not too distant future. The only way I see Amazon buying Sears would just for the actual locations themselves if they wanted them, and it would be in a way to just get the locations.
kythri
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It wasn't my intent to champion the idea that Amazon buy Sears. I only intended to point out that Amazon is looking at getting into the retail game.
Now that Sears has divested themselves of the Craftsman brand, and spun off the Kenmore and Diehard brand to a separate holding company (that formerly kept the Craftsman brand as well), I don't really see a whole lot of value in "Sears" as a business to someone with the money to buy it, considering their real estate holdings are seemingly collateral for the vast loans Lampert/ESL Investments have provided.
That real estate seems to be the only real value anymore.
jakemac
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Ahh, but here's the problem with that.
Sear's Retail division no longer solely owns the real estate. It's property is held under Sears Holdings, which is almost completely controlled by Eddie Lampert through leins on the real estate that he secured through personal loans to the company.
Sears goes belly up, and Lampert is the primary beneficiary of the bankruptcy claims. That's why he's been running the company into the ground. He's playing a long game.
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I am well aware of this which is why I left that last sentence in. I could see Eddie pulling something where he doesn't want to sell the real estate so he could force Amazon to buy Sears to pick up the leases so no one else could get them. I still highly doubt any kind of Amazon buy out. It's likely the only way Amazon stores would appear in Sears locations would be after Sears folds the tent.
They recently bought Whole Foods, a brick and mortar, upscale supermarket chain. They recently opened some kind of store for Premium members only, They have a pilot supermarket (Seattle?) where cameras and sensors watch your every move. You just take the food and go;no checkout, billed to your Amazon account. They are definitely getting into brick and mortar. I read they are going into malls but the anchor stores in those malls have refusal rights and they have been blocked in some cases. Bezos scares me. If owning all the stores is not enough, he also owns the Washington post.
He can now tell you what to eat, what to think, what to buy, what to read....
ARFLY
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Did anyone notice that the 12" miter saw made by Black and Decker is on the list. That seems strange to me.
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Yes, I see no way Sears would have any bargaining leverage at all over Amazon, or anyone else for that matter. I look at those lease holdings as a white elephant, not an asset. Who is going to buy them, either collectively, or even individually? As for Amazon, all they would have to do, assuming they would even want such sites, is wait for the tent to collapse and pick up the leftovers at fire sale prices.
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Large List of Craftsman Tools Soon To Be Discontinued..
Was the Craftsman Title used to attempt to bait Me into the store for the closeout sales?
Thinking I had best keep out of those Sear's Stores.
With My rotten luck; when they chain the doors, I would be locked in.
Then My car would be towed when left overnight in the parking lot.
Thinking My recliner chair, hot coffee, and laptop are a better choice; as long as I stay off the Sears parts website... I was informed over two weeks ago the 10 Jumbo wrenches ordered Dec 19 were not available, and a refund will be issued. (someday).... Cripe, HJE, Zoro, and other favored toolsites are far more reliable places to shop.
Was the Craftsman Title used to attempt to bait Me into the store for the closeout sales?
Thinking I had best keep out of those Sear's Stores.
With My rotten luck; when they chain the doors, I would be locked in.
Then My car would be towed when left overnight in the parking lot.
Thinking My recliner chair, hot coffee, and laptop are a better choice; as long as I stay off the Sears parts website... I was informed over two weeks ago the 10 Jumbo wrenches ordered Dec 19 were not available, and a refund will be issued. (someday).... Cripe, HJE, Zoro, and other favored toolsites are far more reliable places to shop.
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finn
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There’s no question that Sears is in serious trouble and very well may fail.
That’s not the issue.
However, the existence of the subject list likely has no bearing, and is not evedence of impending doom.
Lowe’s and Home Depot regularly change vendors, discontinue items, and clear old stock out too.
Look up the $.01 deals...
It’s ironic to me that Sears became big on mailorder sales, and moved to brick and mortar stores and eventually failed because they didn’t keep up with online sales. Now the big online retailer is looking to move to brick and mortar. Perhaps Amazon buying Sears would be the perfect way for them to repeat history.
Frankly I am holding out hope that the SBD tools will return Craftsman to what it once was.
Frankly I am holding out hope that the SBD tools will return Craftsman to what it once was.
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If history repeats itself, and in the same type of time frame, none of us will be around to see it.
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I have been saying this for the past year. Amazon needs Sears's ship to store capability to compete with Walmart.
Walmart's pickup in store works pretty well, but not as good as Sears (at least the ones I shop at).
The malls need an Amazon showroom, maybe like the old Service Merchandise to attract millennials.
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All Sears owned locations have ship to store capability built in and their technology systems are a lot more advanced than people realize. Amazon needs this to compete with WallyWorld. A company like Amazon could negotiate some sweet leases with the large mall owners and an Amazon store front could be a trigger to revitalize the dying malls.
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For the tech. Amazon does not have an inventory and tracking system which can do ship to store from any of 2000+ other location or the warehouses.
Amazon can bring what the Sears stores were built to do.
Obviously the Stores woudl no longer be called Sears and Kmart would be dumped along with all the debt.
Think also, Amazon already signed deals to sell Diehard and Kenmore and someone mentioned to sell Craftsman online.
I will eat my crow like a man if events prove my predictions wrong:
There have been many posts here by well meaning individuals who have an unshakable faith that SBD intends to resurrect Craftsman into something it really hasn’t been since the early 80s. That being a brand that markets reasonably decent USA made tools and sells them with lifetime warranties at prices barely above cost.
I reiterate in no uncertain terms that is not going to happen. At best Craftsman will be an also ran marketer of serviceable but mostly crappy import tools. Of which you may have noticed we already have plenty of.
SBD already has quality USA made tool divisions. They won’t undercut those. But they will use the Craftsman name to put lipstick on a pig and fool people who for nostalgia’s sake approach their offerings with a prodigious willing suspension of disbelief.
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jvitez
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All Sears Canada stores have closed, so no Craftsman tools available here anymore. No big deal really, I haven't set foot in a Sears in about 10 years. Sears USA had better quality tools, Sears Canada Craftsman were basically all rebranded Chinese stuff I could get cheaper elsewhere for a long time already.
But I still use the Craftsman =V= tools my Dad bought in the 60's.
But I still use the Craftsman =V= tools my Dad bought in the 60's.