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I finally got my high bays installed in my 60x50 barn (I'll post pics later) and need to light the barn bathroom now. The bathroom is 9'x9' with 9' ceiling and I'd like around 75 foot candles of light. Any suggestions on fixtures? Most of the round fixtures I found at Home Depot, etc. that are made for bathrooms are fairly low lumens -- 1000 or less, so am struggling to find something bright enough.

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Foozle - 75fc in a bathroom is pretty extreme considering the standard - Residential Interiors; Bathrooms, Vanities, Grooming = 28fc @ 30". You should also consider CCT as people tend to look ill if you use 5000K. Suggest 2700K to 3000K CCT. As a point of reference, two 4ft 2-lamp 5400lm (2700lm per bulb) strip lights in a 9x9x9 space yields 53fc @ 30". One strip light yields 28fc ... Bathrooms really should rely more on task lighting, which should not blind you.
 

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Foozle - 75fc in a bathroom is pretty extreme considering the standard - Residential Interiors; Bathrooms, Vanities, Grooming = 28fc @ 30". You should also consider CCT as people tend to look ill if you use 5000K. Suggest 2700K to 3000K CCT. As a point of reference, two 4ft 2-lamp 5400lm (2700lm per bulb) strip lights in a 9x9x9 space yields 53fc @ 30". One strip light yields 28fc ... Bathrooms really should rely more on task lighting, which should not blind you.

I was just going off a random web site that recommended 70-80 FC for bathrooms, so looks like they are way off.

http://www.maximlighting.com/how-much-light

Makes sense about the CCT. Do you have any recommended fixtures that would fit the bill? Thanks!
 
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This IES Footcandle chart (link) is accurate. Not sure where Maxim is getting their figures. I don't do residential lighting so I'm not your best resource, plus there are way too many options as this gets into aesthetic preferences.
 

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I picked up 24 of these today for general lighting in my 28x36x9 shop. The plan is to remove the ballasts & do LED bypass bulbs in 4 rows of 6. Surface mounted with EMT between. I'm thinking I'll wire them to 3 switches. Still have to pick the bulbs. Any comments are welcome. 708c129d5facb55b2f116cce30f3fd29.jpg

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I picked up 24 of these today for general lighting in my 28x36x9 shop. The plan is to remove the ballasts & do LED bypass bulbs in 4 rows of 6. Surface mounted with EMT between. I'm thinking I'll wire them to 3 switches. Still have to pick the bulbs. Any comments are welcome.
That's the same Metalux housing as post 1 of this thread. Also see post 1 for lamp recommendations.
 

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That's the same Metalux housing as post 1 of this thread. Also see post 1 for lamp recommendations.
I had no idea. I read the thread, but I was hesitant to order online. I know I paid a little more, but Lowe's is clearing them out. Had to hit 2 stores to get 24. I'm sure I'll be going online for the bulbs, but I'm gonna get everything up and wired first. Thanks for the help you've given everyone.

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Regarding the LED bulbs listed in post 1, can anyone comment on the statement from UL that the James LED Magic ZY-T8-18W1200 BIXX bulb is not UL compliant and may be a fire hazard (https://www.ul.com/newsroom/publicnotices/ul-warns-of-potentially-hazardous-led-tube-lamps/)?

MaxLite also has a presentation that calls out the James LEB bulb in particular, but goes on to warn about the dangers of dual-mode tubes in general (http://www.maxlite.com/webinar-materials/July27-17/MaxWebinars-July27-DualModeTubes.pdf).

I realize this James bulb is no longer listed on the first page. However the Greentek Energy Systems GT-T8-18W1200 BIXX looks to be the identical bulb offered under a different name.
 

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Regarding the LED bulbs listed in post 1, can anyone comment on the statement from UL that the James LED Magic ZY-T8-18W1200 BIXX bulb is not UL compliant and may be a fire hazard (https://www.ul.com/newsroom/publicnotices/ul-warns-of-potentially-hazardous-led-tube-lamps/)?

MaxLite also has a presentation that calls out the James LEB bulb in particular, but goes on to warn about the dangers of dual-mode tubes in general (http://www.maxlite.com/webinar-materials/July27-17/MaxWebinars-July27-DualModeTubes.pdf).

I realize this James bulb is no longer listed on the first page. However the Greentek Energy Systems GT-T8-18W1200 BIXX looks to be the identical bulb offered under a different name.

My 2 cents...

I'm a Maxlite dealer and a James dealer. We've sold over half a million James tubes over the past 3-4 years and I can count on one hand the amount of failures.

If you look at the UL link, the warning was for 1,000 tubes they made in 2014 as test samples before hitting the market. The fire issues Maxlite is using to drive sales to their tube could have been improper wiring, bad tombstones, etc. Imagine how many tubes are in the field. Tesla cars had some fires a couple years back. Did that stop anyone from buying a Tesla? I doubt it.

I currently have 2 large contractors who will ONLY buy the James tube, they are being installed in school districts all over Ohio and Michigan.

There are definitely some gray areas regarding UL regulations and DLC with dual mode Type A and B that they are working on.
 
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JayDL - That's old news about 1,000 suspect James bulbs in 2017 (manufacture date 2014). CREE recalled 700,000 in 2015. Osran Sylvania 50,000 in 2015. James has maintained their UL Listings in good standing so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. What you should be wary of is all the non-UL eBay and Amazon bulbs.
 
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We offer a "collapsible" 8' fixture. It's (2) 4' fixtures joined with a chase ****** and wired together. We're able to ship via FedEx ground vs LTL freight.

Save 7% with coupon code "GARAGEJOURNAL"

Without tubes: https://www.prolighting.com/sl913tk-1x8.html
With 5K tubes: https://www.prolighting.com/sl913tk-1x8-18w5k.html
With 4K tubes: https://www.prolighting.com/sl913tk-1x8-18w4k.html
Any pictures with the 5k 8' fixture installed? I would like 6 of these in my garage .

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My 2 cents...

I'm a Maxlite dealer and a James dealer.

I'd just like to say, thanks to you for directly talking to members and for obviously being part of this community. That is a rarity these days, especially the President of the company. I looked at many many sites and yours won me over. That, and I talked to one of the CS guys and felt very comfortable buying from you guys. My lights delivered today after ordering them only on Tuesday. You can't beat that!

Thanks again
 

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RE the James blubs: Thank you for the insights, Kyle and Platonic. I figure there's always a reality on the ground that's different from the press release, but with safety I like to be certain.
 

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I'd just like to say, thanks to you for directly talking to members and for obviously being part of this community. That is a rarity these days, especially the President of the company. I looked at many many sites and yours won me over. That, and I talked to one of the CS guys and felt very comfortable buying from you guys. My lights delivered today after ordering them only on Tuesday. You can't beat that!

Thanks again

CooperS - it is my pleasure. I should've joined sooner. We appreciate your business and the referrals from the forum. I realize that there are tons of places to buy lighting. Any help we can provide while also supplying quality products makes us happy and keeps us going. I'm currently revamping my 3-car garage. I used (5) 8' 4-lamp tandem fixtures per bay (15 total) with 4000K GLL tubes. 100 foot-candles at workplane, I'll try to post some pictures soon. Waiting to paint and do floors.
 

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Any pictures with the 5k 8' fixture installed? I would like 6 of these in my garage .

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I installed these in my garage with 4000K tubes. I prefer to work under 4000K rather than 5000K. Personal preference though. I'll try to grab some pictures this weekend.
 

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CooperS - it is my pleasure. I should've joined sooner. We appreciate your business and the referrals from the forum. I realize that there are tons of places to buy lighting. Any help we can provide while also supplying quality products makes us happy and keeps us going. I'm currently revamping my 3-car garage. I used (5) 8' 4-lamp tandem fixtures per bay (15 total) with 4000K GLL tubes. 100 foot-candles at workplane, I'll try to post some pictures soon. Waiting to paint and do floors.

Excellent! I have some ceiling work as well, and I'll post pics after. I ended up going with 8 of the Maxlite/GLL 5000k and ended up with 55fc at workplane. I'm currently at 8fc under each of the only two incandescent bulbs so this will be a huge blessing! I don't do a LOT of repairing, mostly tinkering and detailing. I know Platonic suggested 18, but I just felt in my situation, that was just too much. I'mm add more later if I need to. So...I'm excited to get crackin'
 
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I had no idea. I read the thread, but I was hesitant to order online. I know I paid a little more, but Lowe's is clearing them out. Had to hit 2 stores to get 24. I'm sure I'll be going online for the bulbs, but I'm gonna get everything up and wired first. Thanks for the help you've given everyone.

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Light install is going well. I'm 1/2 done hanging fixtures. I'll be picking out bulbs soon.I'm spending about 5 minutes each stripping the ballasts and assembling the fixtures. Not bad. I still don't like the idea of throwing all those ballasts in the trash. I'm sort of a tree hugger. Sort of.ef3f466f1f3582c100f22ec9cb91b0e1.jpg

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Light install is going well. I'm 1/2 done hanging fixtures. I'll be picking out bulbs soon.I'm spending about 5 minutes each stripping the ballasts and assembling the fixtures. Not bad. I still don't like the idea of throwing all those ballasts in the trash. I'm sort of a tree hugger. Sort of.

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Typical Garage/Workshop Lamp options:
• Bare F54T5HO lamps produce too much glare when mounted below 15 feet. If you like them, put them in a wrap style or louvered fixture to cut down the glare.
• 400W Metal Halide can be quite efficient, but also produce too much glare when mounted below 15 feet. Additionally a 20,000 hr. 36,000 lumen 400W MH lamp will only produce 25,000 lumens after 8,000 hrs. = 30% light output loss.
• All T12 and T12HO Lamps should be considered obsolete. That doesn’t mean there aren’t some very efficient T12 options out there.
• Recessed Can type fixtures do not have the beam spread necessary to produce high lumen shadow free lighting unless you use a ridiculous amount of them.
• LED ballast-bypass 4ft retrofits are your best bang for the buck option. Long life, excellent efficiency and immediate full brightness in cold temperatures. Just be aware that there’s no shortage of no name Chinese LED bulbs and fixtures with questionable specifications and no third party certification.
• F32T8 Lamps are designed to be mounted below 20 feet and there’s quite a head spinning variety out there. Some are capable of lasting 84,000 hrs., providing 100+ lumens per watt and a reasonable 85 CRI.
• You can have higher CRI in both fluorescent and LED, but you will sacrifice efficiency and light output. I’m not going to address that here as the vast majority of people do not need CRI higher than 85 in their garage.

Here’s the original comparison spreadsheet, though as of this post edit (7/12/17) it's now almost 2 years old so all links and data are questionable: Lighting System Comparison. (I'll have to get around to making it mostly LED related.)
Has Lighting changed a lot since you 7/17 post? out side of seeing the "LED ballast-bypass 4ft retrofits are your best bang for the buck option" mentioned

I have about12 4ft t8 dual tube fixtures - none I have are led- im moving and taking most with me but newtome shop has 12ft - 13 ft (in center)tall ceiling, what do you think about trying to use the 4ft t8 and converting them to led for better lighting with it or should I look for different light assuming most lamps will be around the 11ft high mark perhaps 8ft fixtures? its pretty dark in the palce with the t12 8 ft that are so high

btw thank you for this post I see you started some years back and update it, that is awesome!
 
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tk06 - Yes, you can easily convert your 4ft 2-lamp strip lights to use 4ft LED bypass tubes. 11ft is fine for mounting height. How many you need is dependent on size and purpose of space. There are lots of alternative options, but at this point in time, they all cost quite a bit more. Post 931 (link) can help with layout.
 
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bradleykd - I use Linear High bays quite often in GJ layouts with ceiling heights from 12ft and above. With 20% off that's a good price you found. Shineretrofits also sells ATG brand.
 

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Thanks all for this infomation.

Just ordered 21 of the Maxlite LSS2XT8USE4803 and 42 of the GLLUSA GL07103-3M(5000K) bulbs from Kyle at Prolighting. Very helpful and organized.
 

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tk06 - Yes, you can easily convert your 4ft 2-lamp strip lights to use 4ft LED bypass tubes. 11ft is fine for mounting height. How many you need is dependent on size and purpose of space. There are lots of alternative options, but at this point in time, they all cost quite a bit more. Post 931 (link) can help with layout.

thanks, I dont mind spending a little more for better life expectancy, particularly in age vs light loss, with less beam angle i think i might need more fixtures than I currently used at my old shop, thought about switching to some 8 foot long for between lifts (M/C lifts)
 
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tk06 - I could see maybe using an independently switched 8ft FA8 base bulb at around 3ft up on a wall next to a lift as task lighting. FA8 base permits you aim bulb by rotation.
 

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I don't know if these have been mentioned here, but they are relatively cheap and really bright. I just put 4 of these in my 25x30 garage. They are awesome. It is brighter than daylight in there in every corner now.

https://www.lightingdesignexperts.c...MIu5mqv5r42QIVioR-Ch11UwM0EAkYAiABEgL2aPD_BwE

http://www.atgelectronics.com/LEDLinearHighBay/skyline-linear-highbay.htm



Very interesting. ATG web site says they have their own manufacturing facilities in China. 10 year warranty (have not read the fine print yet). Is it me or does the linked light look just like the James/Greentek/Alphalite?

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I am interested in a Linear High Bay fixture for a 34L x 30W x 14H area of my pole barn and the ATG HBEL-2FT-90-50-F was showing great promise in the Acuity Brands Visual 3d tool. A grid of 9 fixtures was showing 95 fc at a 2.5' workplane. Unfortunately it doesn't appear the ATG Skyline fixtures will be available within the next 30 to 45 days. Both Lightingdesignexperts and Shineretrofits confirmed that the fixtures are "on the water" and they could not confirm when they would be available. Does anyone have a recommendation for a more readily available fixture?
 
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Thank you PS! I ordered 12 of the fixtures you recommended from ProLighting. They were helpful on the phone and were impressed with the garagejournal 7% discount.
 
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Thank you PS! I ordered 12 of the fixtures you recommended from ProLighting. They were helpful on the phone and were impressed with the garagejournal 7% discount.
Why did you select the most expensive option?

ProLighting = $115 - 7% = 106.95 x 12 = $1283.40 + shipping

ledlightingwholesaleinc = $91.25 x 12 = $1095 free shipping

greenlightdepot = $85.00 x 12 = $1020 free shipping

Not only is the greenlightdepot fixture less expensive, but it's also higher lumen output and better efficiency at same wattage.
 
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Why did you select the most expensive option?

ProLighting = $115 - 7% = 106.95 x 12 = $1283.40 + shipping

ledlightingwholesaleinc = $91.25 x 12 = $1095 free shipping

greenlightdepot = $85.00 x 12 = $1020 free shipping

Not only is the greenlightdepot fixture less expensive, but it's also higher lumen output and better efficiency at same wattage.

The fixture from ProLighting had a longer rated life of 90,000 vs 50,000 and it also comes with a prewired 6' 18/3 whip which will speed up installation a bit.
 
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The fixture from ProLighting had a longer rated life of 90,000 vs 50,000 and it also comes with a prewired 6' 18/3 whip which will speed up installation a bit.
I find that spec sheet rather suspect since it also states 50,000 hr. rated life. What did MI to Washington State shipping cost?
 
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