The vintage Blackhawk Thread

notlob · Apr 7, 2018

Nice jack. Where is it?

SAA44-40 · Apr 7, 2018

Thankfully, on my workbench

Oldtuleguy · Apr 7, 2018

Oh, so your just taunting us

SAA44-40 · Apr 7, 2018

Ha Oldtule- I hope I didn’t come across as rude. I am indeed grateful to have it. It is in excellent shape.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 7, 2018

Just giving you a hard time! I am a long way from texas

Oldtuleguy · Apr 8, 2018

Blackhawk 19015 box, very small, 11.5 inches long. Anyone know what came in this?

twertsy · Apr 8, 2018

Oldtuleguy said:
Blackhawk 19015 box, very small, 11.5 inches long. Anyone know what came in this?

Looks like the #13H box in the '32 catalog.

This little set of wee handles and tiny double hexagon sockets ideal for use on work in close quarters such as: Automotive universal joints, oil pump screws, terminals, water pumps and fan assembly located in front of motor, carburetor joints, cap screws, generator bolts, pole pieces and brushes, universal generator and water pump couplings, distributors and numerous other electrical and automotive devices. Ideal for aviation work. Set contains 13 tools, one each of items, pictured at right.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 8, 2018

That's an odd decal! The top is Q.D. era, obviously, but, as you guys know, Q.D. era set model numbers were numbers (indicating the number of pieces in the set) followed by a letter or series of letters indicating the box or case and configuration (whether the sockets were single or double hex). I don't recognize the other number, even by format, but I'm less versed in early Lock-On era sets, and I'm on my phone, in the city for the day, so I can't check later 30's catalogs, but I'd hazard a hunch that it's transition. Q.D. box with a Q.D. decal, with a banner with an early Lock-On era set number underneath instead of a Q.D. era set number.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 8, 2018

So early midget box? Hmmm. I can find no reference to a 19015 set.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 8, 2018

Like I said, odd. Even the shape of the decal for the set number is not Q.D. era. Those were flying banners. These rectangles can be seen in later 30s catalogs. But that number is weird. I wonder if it's not a Blackhawk number but a distributor or retail store number!

Oldtuleguy · Apr 8, 2018

I have seen one other in this format with rectangular set number decal 19020. It is in turtles ebay collection

Private Lugnutz · Apr 8, 2018

Interesting. I'm still leaning toward set numbers that were used by a big hardware store or a catalog company. Going back to your previous post - no, it's not a midget box. Blackhawk did not make 1/4-inch drive sockets and handles in the Q.D. era. And when they did start making 1/4-inch drive tools (1935), they didn't come in H boxes, they came in N boxes, with a single socket compartment in the back or the front. The H boxes were only used for 3/8-inch drive sets as far as I know.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 8, 2018

So 3/8 then. I have not seen alot of early 3/8 blackhawk, I am guessing it's scarce.

Sunset_Z28 · Apr 8, 2018

This reminded me that I came across an early 3/8” drive socket the other day. I see 3/4” drive like the one shown in my pic pretty regular but this is the first 3/8” I’ve seen in the wild.

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twertsy · Apr 15, 2018

Folks, I'm working on this 1/2" Blackhawk socket set. I need this style D20 and D32 (5/8 & 1"). "Double-dotted knurl" Any assistance greatly appreciated!

UPDATE: I found a D20, all I need is the D32 1" socket.

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Oldtuleguy · Apr 15, 2018

Nice set! What year are those?

notlob · Apr 16, 2018

twertsy said:
Folks, I'm working on this 1/2" Blackhawk socket set. I need this style D20 and D32 (5/8 & 1"). "Double-dotted knurl" Any assistance greatly appreciated!

UPDATE: I found a D20, all I need is the D32 1" socket.

I'll check my BH stash - I have a bunch of that style. I owe you some pics!

twertsy · Apr 16, 2018

Oldtuleguy said:
Nice set! What year are those?

Without being able to access my catalogs at work, I'm guessing mid-late 30's, but I'm not sure off-hand.

thehorse13 · Apr 16, 2018

Thanks to Twertsy, this treasure chest now has the appropriate 3/4 inch baldie ratchet!

notlob · Apr 16, 2018

Oldtuleguy said:
Nice set! What year are those?

That style BH socket appears in the 1935 BH catalog; the 1937 catalog shows primarily the more common multi-ridged style.

:pimpflash

Oldtuleguy · Apr 16, 2018

Interesting. Blackhawk is one of the few companies I have seen that would sell more than one style at a time.

notlob · Apr 17, 2018

twertsy said:
UPDATE: I found a D20, all I need is the D32 1" socket.

So Twertsy posted the above, looking to complete his Dxx Blackhawk socket set.

I took a look at my similar BH sockets, and discovered the following:

My series Dxx sockets don't have 2 rows of square knurls, but rather 3 or 4.

And my sockets that have 2 rows of square (perhaps rectangular(?)) knurls are numbered 84xx series.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

Picked up a 1930's era Blackhawk 1/2-inch drive O16 (square) with a 1/2" service opening today at the flea market. (Ignore the wartime black oxide Walden-Worcester and Duro-Chrome that are flanking it. Just conserving time.)

SAA44-40 · Apr 21, 2018

I posted these pics on the vintage box thread- but should have here. I just purchased this without knowing much about it. However, it looked neat so...

notlob · Apr 22, 2018

Nice! What does it say under "Blackhawk" on the round emblem?

thehorse13 · Apr 22, 2018

SAA44-40 said:
I posted these pics on the vintage box thread- but should have here. I just purchased this without knowing much about it. However, it looked neat so...

That's a Porto Power that appears to have been sitting in a damp place for a looooong time. I would have grabbed that in a heartbeat and then used it to bait Twertsy. lol

SAA44-40 · Apr 24, 2018

Finally brought this home. Thankfully, its very solid just covered in surface rust. It was a family affair gently removing the rust with a scotchbrite pad. It appears to even have the OEM rubber mats. Attached are pics before the flea dipping occurred. I originally planned to wax, but am leaning toward linseed oil treatment

d42jeep · Apr 24, 2018

notlob said:
So Twertsy posted the above, looking to complete his Dxx Blackhawk socket set.

I took a look at my similar BH sockets, and discovered the following:

My series Dxx sockets don't have 2 rows of square knurls, but rather 3 or 4.

And my sockets that have 2 rows of square (perhaps rectangular(?)) knurls are numbered 84xx series.

Mine is like yours. Maybe it’s a West Coast thing.
-Don

txlonghorn1989 · Apr 26, 2018

Saw this Blackhawk tool at an estate sale this morning. What is it? Looks like an old multi-head tool. Not sure I'd have paid $5 for it much less the $10 they were asking. Should I go back for it? Has "Blackhawk 4 151" on the handle. Thanks, Mike

PS I'm not interested in collecting it. If it's good trade bait I'd like to know.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 26, 2018

Basically a drain plug wrench. Not sure what they are worth, maybe do ebay history search.

thehorse13 · Apr 26, 2018

txlonghorn1989 said:
Saw this Blackhawk tool at an estate sale this morning. What is it? Looks like an old multi-head tool. Not sure I'd have paid $5 for it much less the $10 they were asking. Should I go back for it? Has "Blackhawk 4 151" on the handle. Thanks, Mike

PS I'm not interested in collecting it. If it's good trade bait I'd like to know.

They sell on the flea bay for 25-45 bucks regularly. Anything north of that, they sit unsold.

It's a drain plug wrench. I would have paid 5 bucks for it.

Ole Slewfoot · Apr 26, 2018

I don't think I've seen an adjustable drain plug wrench before, that's pretty cool.

Private Lugnutz · May 18, 2018

I think this is the first so-called "Small" series (3/8-inch drive) Lock-On wartime era socket I have ever found. Has all the right features and the markings, including a 1941 ("1") date code. I'm a little puzzled by the 31522 model number. These were 30xxx sockets in the 1939 and 1943 catalogs, and this 11/16" opening was model number 30022. EDIT: Never mind. It's a Nugget! DOH! If I rarely see 3/8-inch drive, I NEVER see Nuggets! :lol:

thehorse13 · May 19, 2018

Private Lugnutz said:
I think this is the first so-called "Small" series (3/8-inch drive) Lock-On wartime era socket I have ever found. Has all the right features and the markings, including a 1941 ("1") date code. I'm a little puzzled by the 31522 model number. These were 30xxx sockets in the 1939 and 1943 catalogs, and this 11/16" opening was model number 30022. EDIT: Never mind. It's a Nugget! DOH! If I rarely see 3/8-inch drive, I NEVER see Nuggets!

I came across a set of 3/8ths Blackhawk sockets this weekend. The dates range from 41 up to 49. I had to cough up 20 clams for the set but like you I never see 3/8ths so I grabbed them.

twertsy · May 19, 2018

thehorse13 said:
I came across a set of 3/8ths Blackhawk sockets this weekend. The dates range from 41 up to 49. I had to cough up 20 clams for the set but like you I never see 3/8ths so I grabbed them.

Nice snag Sonny! :beer:

thehorse13 · May 19, 2018

twertsy said:
Nice snag Sonny!

Given that we're under a state of emergency with half the roads and bridges closed due to flooding, I was shocked when I found this set. I was 50/50 on getting out of the car for a rainy indoor basement sale but I'm glad that I rolled the dice. I also got some other cool stuff like a Firestone hatchet.

Private Lugnutz · May 19, 2018

Very nice! Except for Craftsman and Snap-on, sockets are typically $1 each up here, but most vendors know that complete matching sets are special, regardless of the brand, so even if your guy didn't know Blackhawk was collectible, $20 was a great deal for 13 sockets. For 13 Blackhawk 3/8-inch drive sockets, that's a score.

They're a little late for that 70-piece R Case "Treasure Chest" you have, which is 1930's era as I recall, with some original 1930's era tools, but that little anachronism wouldn't stop me from putting them in there for the time being, and maybe forever. I have a few situations like that.

Oldtuleguy · May 19, 2018

Your lucky to find any early blackhawk 3/8 stuff.

thehorse13 · May 19, 2018

I guess I was still half asleep when I bought this set. Turns out that it's not a 3/8ths set like I first thought. It's a 7/16ths nugget set. I went to clean these up a little bit and that's when I realized what I actually have here. I guess I have to start looking for a 7/16th ratchet and extension now!

Oldtuleguy · May 19, 2018

U and lugz both!

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