They’ve been for sale for quite a while. I think if he put a $475 tag on them they would have sold a long time ago.
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Knowledge is power when vice shopping. Once people realize that you know what you’re talking about they treat you differently.Yes you're right. I had one fun experience buying a vise, the seller only spoke spanish. Wouldn't respond to me in english, but I could see they were reading my messages on facebook marketplace. So I took a gamble and used google translate and started talking to them in spanish. Got an immediate response, did a back and forth of translating my stuff into spanish, and their replies into english and was able to pick it up and utilize my 2 years of high school spanish from 15 years ago to make the transaction in person.
KMScott
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Shucks, all this chit chat and no vise pictures. Here is a 2" #87 Athol that had from the factory a cheesy way to hold the meatball. so I built a bronze collar and added a new handle. This little guy will have new custom jaws too.
Smitty, do you work on vises or just buy and resell.
Smitty, do you work on vises or just buy and resell.
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bsaint
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I dont know but I dont think they made it 3000 miles out here. But Athol, Prentis and Parkers are abundant as they were all made locally.
Look carefully at this photo. Does anything look familiar?
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KMScott
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Nice, pictures are a good thing.
I have no machine shop capabilities but as a life long cabinet maker I have some skills. This was my first restoration of an athol vise that I found at an antique mall.
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Thanks for the jaws, your work is amazing. I’m waiting to get the handle from you so I can put it all together.
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va.grouseman
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He's the Master.
KMScott
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Nice work Smitty.
That FZA Mondial forged steel vise is sure nice Pureleaf. If I were to buy a new vise I would look at those if available here in the States. How do they serrate those jaws.
That FZA Mondial forged steel vise is sure nice Pureleaf. If I were to buy a new vise I would look at those if available here in the States. How do they serrate those jaws.
KMScott
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What Handle, Those jaws look familiar. Thanks.
Not for much longer VA, I hope someone takes over where I leave off. My knees and hands can not work much longer.
I'm located in California, so they're definitely available in the USA. I also have 2 Ridgid (peddinghaus) vises which are very similar, come with the same non replaceable jaws, but Ridgid does give them a lifetime warranty, and says they'll replace them if you ever break the jaws. Hopefully I never find out about that.
The hard part has been locating accessories for this FZA vise. I contacted Gedore (the re-brander) about purchasing the option pipe jaws for it. After they did some back and forth with the German home base, they're specially shipping out and selling me a pair at double the price if I was in the EU (50 bucks). Theres also a swivel base available but finding it in the 150mm size, the price was like 140 euros + 40 euros to ship it. I've already got 2 swivel based vises that I never swivel ever. So this vise can stay stationary.
The only small let down of the FZA vise has been that they didn't stamp it "Made in Italy", though it seems clear from all documentation provided by FZA that it is.
Here is an up close of the jaws
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What Handle, Those jaws look familiar. Thanks.
Not for much longer VA, I hope someone takes over where I leave off. My knees and hands can not work much longer.[/
I’ll need a proper handle for this vise.
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KMScott
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Hopefully you can make one more before you retire. I would prefer to have it as close to stock as possible. I’ll contact you in a week or so..
KMScott
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I see how they cut the jaws now, thanks for sharing. Heat Treated anvil pad and hardened ways. Nice vise.
The jaws on the Ridgid (Germany) vises look virtually identical with the curved serrations and general shape. In fact, the entire vise shares an uncanny resemblance to the Gedore (Italy?) vise.
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KMScott
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There is another vise made in Germany that is very similar just to tired to remember, starts with a B if I got any memory cells left.
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I've heard there are little blue pills for that endeavor apparently. Or the Swedes will sell you a vacuum device.
Here is a Parker 974 I just fixed up. The flat area behind the jaws on the main body had been hammered on and broke off. The original collar is long gone and the collar screw was broke off. The jaw were loose, as the pins were broke off. This old vise was very abused with hammer marks all over it. I ended up grinding the broken area on the main body down so it was smooth, and could follow the shape of rest of it. Repinned the jaws, and made a new collar from a piece of steel.
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va.grouseman
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Well, that is a vise restorers death nail.---And if my old back and knees and all the other bones didn't ache all the time, I'd say "NOOOOOOOOOO, Don't Do It KM".---But as it stands, I totally understand.
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Dr Scott
One of the most used phrases in Old Testament is “it came to pass” . And it is true in life that both good and bad things come to pass.
In this case one might say “it came to pass” that the great vise master laid his tools down to rest. One can equally state that it “it can to pass” that the vise restoration world was left orphaned.
So while we as your friends will be very happy for you to get well deserved rest, the day you retire will also be a very sad day for the vise world. And leave one to wonder then if it was a good or a bad thing that came to pass.
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I drove 2 hours this morning to pick up this vise. It's a Parker "no" F, as best I can determine it's an 1890's vise of their mid priced "vulcan" line. Has 5-1/2" jaws and weighs about 100lbs.
Jaws still ahve some crosshatching, screw looks nice. Not sure if the front screw retainer is original or not - did the lower priced vises have the fancy scripted retainer? did they even exist in the 1890s?
Jaws still ahve some crosshatching, screw looks nice. Not sure if the front screw retainer is original or not - did the lower priced vises have the fancy scripted retainer? did they even exist in the 1890s?
KMScott
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I am not worthy of these words Gman. But thanks. I still have over 100 vises that will end up in someone's home or shop even after retiring building vise parts for customers. They will be restored, that will be my hobby.
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Ken
Nice find
I do not believe the collar (retainer) is original OEM and in fact I think it is a washer that someone cut up and fashioned as the collar!
Outlawmws
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Ken
Nice find
I do not believe the collar (retainer) is original OEM and in fact I think it is a washer that someone cut up and fashioned as the collar!
Ken
Nice find
I do not believe the collar (retainer) is original OEM and in fact I think it is a washer that someone cut up and fashioned as the collar!
Darn!
Oh well, time for me to remember how to use my cnc mill and at least fashion something more presentable.
These older vises require a huge cutout of the bench to mount unfortunately, so i don't know if it will become a user.
Outlawmws
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Use a spacer block with the 45 deg notch in it.
Fierljeppen
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kenc184...I was shooting guns with my Holland MI cousins last year, and my cousin started talking about his Parker "Vulcan" grade shotgun. I told him about the Parker vise models with the same name and decided to investigate a little.
Yep, there's definitely a correlation. The Vulcan steel preceded the Trojan steel and was -1- grade higher. The Parker Trojan shotgun was introduced in 1912, just as the Trojan vises were. Hope this next part doesn't bum out any current Trojan vise owners. The Trojan steel was imported and graded the lowest at no-0.
Your vise was advertised from (1899 - 1912). I dropped you some information that relates to your questions. Good data can get you top $ when it's time to sell.
I'm gifting my cousin an old Parker #19 gunsmith vise next year and hoping he reciprocates with one of his Parker shotguns.
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Fierljeppen
As per usual you have once again educated us with very informative and fascinating facts! Thanks much
