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NC Rick

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You mean after running it through the planer? That's planer snipe, and you can avoid it by running a sacrificial board through before and after your "good" boards. Run all boards end to end with no gaps. First a sacrificial board, then all your real boards, then finish with another sacrificial one.
Yep! I didn’t know that and worse is that I was taking an evening wood-working class at the local tech college and the instructor didn’t know that either. We kept playing around with machine setup...:confused:
I didn’t learn anything besides that such a problem happens.
 
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I did run into planer snipe, but I was able to compensate by supporting the work as I fed it in. The sacrificial boards before and aft are a more consistent method.

But hey: back to vises! Amazing find of an "8' jaw width vice"...I didn't know they made immoral activities with mouths that big. :hitti

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Going on a road trip to buy this next weekend. These are the only pics i have from seller. Seller claims it opens 18 inches. im looking for a model number and date if possible. Maybe somebody has better eyes than me. heres the 2 pics i got


Wow, I've never seen a vise with an 18'' slide.---This I've got to see.:eyecrazy::willy_nil---Get ready KMS, this is one for the books.
 

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Wow, I've never seen a vise with an 18'' slide.---This I've got to see.:eyecrazy::willy_nil---Get ready KMS, this is one for the books.

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Here are all the Columbian Coachmakers listed in the vise spread sheet

Columbian USA 124 1/2 weight=46lb jaws=4 1/2" opening=11"
Columbian USA 324 1/2 54lb 4 1/2" 9 1/2"
Columbian USA 424 1/2 60lb 4 1/2" 10"

So say we consider the 124 1/2 which has the largest opening (11"). And add to that another 5"-6" for the front portion of the slide that starts at end of the housing and goes all the way to the dynamic jaw. We will conceivably end up with 16"-17" so it is in the realm of possibility.

We know that Coachmakers have very long slides to accommodate the large work pieces so this might not be too surprising. In fact the below vises might have slides that are at least as long if not longer than the Columbian 124 1/2 as their opening is 11" or more

Monarch (Prentiss) 229 11-1/2"
Reed 124 1/2 11"
Reed 224 1/2 11"
Reed 224-1/2 R 11 "
Rock Island 153 11"
Shepard Vise (Prentiss) 69 11"
Stephens 34 12"
 

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My guess is 14", remember as soon as the square slider is inside the Static stress on the dovetail casting and front support could happen.

Kevin is right (of course!)
Some users think that the maximum capacity is when the main screw is holding onto the nut by one thread. I suppose if you are doing extremely light work on an object that wide that isn’t very heavy you’d be OK. But people should realize the risk of serious vise damage at that point.
 

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I did misrepresent the post.---I guess the entire slide portion of the dynamic could be 18'' if taken totally out of the vise and measured, but the post said it opens 18''.---That's a pretty big Matzah balls hanging out there.---Seems like that would make the entire dynamic about 26'' to the end of the nob.:dunno:
 

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My guess is 11 inches as well. I havent requested a picture with the jaw all the way open. ... ill find out on sunday this weekend.. its about a 10 hour round trip for me. but ive never been to this part of Ontario.. so im looking forward to the road trip too .
 

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Looks like a model 124 1/2. I am not sure when the spindle changed from round to more cylinder like. I would guess around the 50's ?

i Think you are dead on. he sent me a picture of the jaws and they are 4 1/2 inches wide!! thanks for the quick reply! and the catalog photo!
 

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I have fixed two big vises with broken Dove-Tails, one was a Parker 79 and the other was a Reed 207. Once the square slider goes inside the Static the nut and cast dovetail takes all the stress.
 

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Z3: those old Coachmaker vises have slides that are surprisingly long. my Desmond Stephen 4.5 inch vise that i'm guessing is the same vintage has a slide as long or maybe longer than my REED 4c. the shelf it's sitting on in this picture is 24 inches deep so from front to back of dynamic is at least 24 inches and sorry I don't have time to give you an opening measurement, but you'll be happy with the size of that vise if you buy it if it's not welded or cracked.

Shift: how much smell is involved in your Simple Green crock pot vise cooking method?

Loydski? GREAT FAMILY PHOTO!! do you use a crock pot too or do tell?
 

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Naturally there is some smell, especially since I cook with no lid. To me, the odor is not unpleasant but everybody will have to decide that on their own. I run the set up in an attached garage with the inside door closed of course. The odor gets through gaps in the door. If that’s a problem, I don’t see why you couldn’t run a crock pot or a metal bucket or ??? over a hot plate outdoors.

I got the hot SG idea from loydski who uses an old cooking pot over a hot plate.
 
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[QUOTE=drivesitfar;7770919]Z3: those old Coachmaker vises have slides that are surprisingly long. my Desmond Stephen 4.5 inch vise that i'm guessing is the same vintage has a slide as long or maybe longer than my REED 4c. the shelf it's sitting on in this picture is 24 inches deep so from front to back of dynamic is at least 24 inches and sorry I don't have time to give you an opening measurement, but you'll be happy with the size of that vise if you buy it if it's not welded or cracked.

Shift: how much smell is involved in your Simple Green crock pot vise cooking method?

Loydski? GREAT FAMILY PHOTO!! do you use a crock pot too or do tell?[/QUOTE]

Drives I use a hot plate and a large pot I was using a turkey fryer aluminum pot but I think the simple green ate through it because it developed a leak. The smell is not bad just smells like simple green. I like using this process because it strips the paint and degreases at the same time. Like SHIFT I also filter the SG I use a couple layers of cheese cloth it catches the large and fine sludge and is inexpensive.
 

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The crock pot has a glazed ceramic removable container so I doubt that the SG will damage that.
Here is my Cadet after treatment. I used a small brass brush under running water to remove the loose paint. I like the way the lettering is revealed with the factory sharp edges. This would also be a good method to use if you wanted to have the bare naked vintage look with BLO finish. Not as radical as heavy wire wheel stripping.
 

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I did misrepresent the post.---I guess the entire slide portion of the dynamic could be 18'' if taken totally out of the vise and measured, but the post said it opens 18''.---That's a pretty big Matzah balls hanging out there.---Seems like that would make the entire dynamic about 26'' to the end of the nob.:dunno:

My understanding was that it was referring to the entire slide portion and that is why I was saying 11” opening + 5”-6” for the rest of the slide. If the claim is that the opening alone is 18” that is crazy big and I have hard time believing it
 

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I finished my Parker 375 up today. Everything moves and functions like it should. I'm not too crazy about the color, but it's just paint and can be changed again. It's paint I had around, rustoleum gray hammered. I am sick of looking at this thing in pieces and glad its finished.
 

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Here’s a 204 1/2 R that I finished a couple months ago. It was in good shape except for a deep divot on the rear where a previous owner had used it to cut stuff. I filled it with Devcon epoxy and then got a little carried away and filled in all the rest of the spots it had, which were many.

These Reed "R" vises are the best of any I have restored. I especially like the adjustment on the front to take out the backlash. That combined with the adjustment on the main nut got this vise to about a quarter turn on the handle before the dynamic jaw starts to move.

Mike
 

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I use a common kitchen implement. No, not the one from OUR kitchen! This one I found at the recycling center.
This strainer fits into a large funnel. I pour the SG out of the crockpot back into the 2 1/2 gallon jug.

Drives I use a hot plate and a large pot I was using a turkey fryer aluminum pot but I think the simple green ate through it because it developed a leak. The smell is not bad just smells like simple green. I like using this process because it strips the paint and degreases at the same time. Like SHIFT I also filter the SG I use a couple layers of cheese cloth it catches the large and fine sludge and is inexpensive.

Some guys have used paint strainers for filtering SG and other solvents. Like the cheese cloth, it gets the fine stuff too.
 
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I finished my Parker 375 up today. Everything moves and functions like it should. I'm not too crazy about the color, but it's just paint and can be changed again. It's paint I had around, rustoleum gray hammered. I am sick of looking at this thing in pieces and glad its finished.

Fang
Great job, very nice:thumbup:
 

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Here’s a 204 1/2 R that I finished a couple months ago. It was in good shape except for a deep divot on the rear where a previous owner had used it to cut stuff. I filled it with Devcon epoxy and then got a little carried away and filled in all the rest of the spots it had, which were many.

These Reed "R" vises are the best of any I have restored. I especially like the adjustment on the front to take out the backlash. That combined with the adjustment on the main nut got this vise to about a quarter turn on the handle before the dynamic jaw starts to move.

Mike

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Looks great, love the color as well. Very well done:thumbup:
 

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Thanks for the compliments! I forgot to mention it was Duplicolor Ford Toreador Red over Duplicolor primer.

Mike
 

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I need another GOOD vise like a hole in the head. I need a cheap Chinese Wilton homeowners knockoff even less, but for $5 I couldn't resist. Figure I can sell off my actual wilton homeowners vise for $25, and use this pos for my welding vise.

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Yep! I didn’t know that and worse is that I was taking an evening wood-working class at the local tech college and the instructor didn’t know that either. We kept playing around with machine setup...:confused:
I didn’t learn anything besides that such a problem happens.

Pretty hard to get rid of all the planer snipe. I usually just cut off the sniped ends and just account for that with the length I need.
 

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Finally able to contribute after learning a lot. This Wilton 1750 (January 1997 dated on key and outside of spindle) was purchased from a machine shop and I did a quick clean up so far. I thought no paint was left so I got a wire wheel out and after an unfortunate strip of paint was lost from the back, realized almost immediately that the paint was there. About 1.5 hours of scrubbing, blue scotchbrite on belt sander and a trip to get new jaw screws (1/4-20), here we are. I still need to clean up the main handle. I only did the swivel locks.

Then my new project is at bottom. A Yost 33C that fell in my lap today. It lived life mounted to the top of a Military wrecker and the vise is frozen in that postiition. Seller sprayed kroil on it (hence the dark spots) before I picked it up. Will be researching how to free it up. The jaw faces and vice jaws look like they were barely used.
 

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Mike, what specific paint did you use on that Reed 204 1/2 R? I like it, and may want to use it for one of my future restorations.

Maui
 

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Mike, what specific paint did you use on that Reed 204 1/2 R? I like it, and may want to use it for one of my future restorations.

Maui

I was gonna ask the same question. That looks like a really nice red. He said it was...

Duplicolor Ford Toreador Red
 

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Here are all the Columbian Coachmakers listed in the vise spread sheet

Columbian USA 124 1/2 weight=46lb jaws=4 1/2" opening=11"
Columbian USA 324 1/2 54lb 4 1/2" 9 1/2"
Columbian USA 424 1/2 60lb 4 1/2" 10"

So say we consider the 124 1/2 which has the largest opening (11"). And add to that another 5"-6" for the front portion of the slide that starts at end of the housing and goes all the way to the dynamic jaw. We will conceivably end up with 16"-17" so it is in the realm of possibility.

We know that Coachmakers have very long slides to accommodate the large work pieces so this might not be too surprising. In fact the below vises might have slides that are at least as long if not longer than the Columbian 124 1/2 as their opening is 11" or more

Monarch (Prentiss) 229 11-1/2"
Reed 124 1/2 11"
Reed 224 1/2 11"
Reed 224-1/2 R 11 "
Rock Island 153 11"
Shepard Vise (Prentiss) 69 11"
Stephens 34 12"

I'll add one.

Morgan Milwaukee 38 coach vise. 4.5" jaws, 10" max opening, 16.5" slide length
 

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This vise/anvil combo has been on FB marketplace for a while now:


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Finally able to contribute after learning a lot. This Wilton 1750 (January 1997 dated on key and outside of spindle) was purchased from a machine shop and I did a quick clean up so far. I thought no paint was left so I got a wire wheel out and after an unfortunate strip of paint was lost from the back, realized almost immediately that the paint was there. About 1.5 hours of scrubbing, blue scotchbrite on belt sander and a trip to get new jaw screws (1/4-20), here we are. I still need to clean up the main handle. I only did the swivel locks.

Then my new project is at bottom. A Yost 33C that fell in my lap today. It lived life mounted to the top of a Military wrecker and the vise is frozen in that postiition. Seller sprayed kroil on it (hence the dark spots) before I picked it up. Will be researching how to free it up. The jaw faces and vice jaws look like they were barely used.

Nice job on resurrecting that 1750.

Regarding getting that Yost unstuck - whatever you do, don't go to wrenching on the jaws with a prybar to try to separate them. I've have some luck by removing the swivel mechanism/base and direct-bolting stuck vises to my 24x30 garden/project table, tipping it on its side and then placing a piece of 2x4 or 2x6 over the rear end of the slide and then after heating the body with a torch, whacking on the back of the slide with the 2x4 acting as a cushion/spacer with a deadblow hammer (sometimes a 3lb hammer, but not bigger...) a couple of times and then spraying more PB Blaster/Kroil/etc., and then walking away and working on something else for awhile, rinse and repeat.

(Obviously, in the pic below, I had to do it a little differently because it was a Wilton 1750 with an internal slide, but you get the point)
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In my opinion, the secret to doing it this way and not causing damage due to getting mad/over-vigorous is to be patient and not make it your mission to necessarily free it up that day. It may take a couple of days or weeks to get it to fully come apart, but if you're patient, in the end, you will free it up without damaging it. Remember, when you hit it, you want to make it an effective "whack" but you're not trying to drive a railroad tie. Also, just in case it isn't obvious, you need to remove the main screw during this process as well. Good luck and nice vise! :beer:
 

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Hi. I need your help with the identification of a vise. It's a 6-inch vise, it only has one 8-pointed star and the number 125. I did a lot of searching but I did not find anything.
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