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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover

Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.

rk_tek

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I have a feeling YouTube is about to be hit with cinematic greatness. Sure the actors will look like B grade **** stars, but if this goes anything like your other endeavors it will be best viewed at IMAX.

In all seriousness, I know that you like pushing yourself into the unknown and always striving to learn new skills. Unlike most YT content creators though, you'll go into your adventure armed with tons of research and the ability to work through the obstacles. So many channels are geared for weekend warrior Pinterest whores and cut corners to make content that looks good when photographed from 10ft and viewed on an iPhone.

If you monetize the videos, which i think you should if you're going through the effort to produce the content, make sure you understand the YT algorithms for maximizing the revenue. Many creators run multiple channels so they can upload short/off topic videos that cut into the main channel revenue. This thread is proof that people with greasy fingernails still like nice watches, match grade pistols, and artisan bread. It's all the rabbit holes that F'n Gregor digs that make us come back to see what he'll do next.

*ding* Popcorn's done. I'm waiting for the link to the first video.
 
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Don't forget Jack Olsen [12-Gauge Garage] is a screen writer. I'm sure his consulting fees are reasonable for fellow GJ artists. :)
 
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I am having the hardest time working on the house.

My head is all about the bike thing at the moment, and video. It's interesting to be learning so much new stuff and to be figuring out new gear. Having worked with video crews for a long time I have a tertiary understanding of most of it but practically it's all new.

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You can guess what one of the new "tools" is.

Not one I'm using on this project however...

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The back room has been a disaster for as long as we've had the house. Always a dumping ground for things and also where the TV went. We were given a couch and a TV which shows you how important those things are to us but it's time to try to fix that.

So to shake out the woodworking cobwebs we cleaned the room out and set about building a quick and simple project that has been neither quick nor simple and has taken at least a week. Small parts storage inspired by this thread here.

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If it wasn't for Lara I there's no way I'd be trying to tackle this. She's really good about keeping me on track. Well, she's good but I'm better at being distracted. Swing and a miss!

Also, I chose to use prefin plywood for this and regretted it the entire time. I choose it because I didn't think we'd be able to finish baltic birch inside the house as outside it's freezing cold. I also thought this would take 1-2 days tops so I didn't want to waste time.

Wrong on all counts.

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In order to set the spacing I cut a piece of scrap particle board at the correct size and then just step and repeat drilling the slides. 14" full extension slides off ebay - 25 pairs for $75 - the same that I used in the shop.

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I hate adhesive labels. A heat gun helps to get them off...

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So I just got sick and tired of pulling these containers out from under each other. Even if only stacked two high they're holding as much as 20lbs. of hardware each so it's a hassle. I have been using them for 5 years and they haven't broken and have proven to be reliable so I figured I had exactly the right amount of space in the walkway between the garage and I could have a better solution to small parts.

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I ordered a bunch more of the organizers - enough to go from floor to ceiling.

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It was a requirement that I could open the drawer without the bin sliding out and that I could open the lid with it in place. This would keep me from having to pull them out and set them on the bench or counter, something that kills space in nothing flat.

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So I bought a few larger ones and a lot more of the smaller ones: 6 and 20 or so of the smaller ones. I'm at about 50% capacity so that should hold me for a while. It's only been a day but it's so nice to just walk over, pull out a drawer and get the bolt I need and shut it without having to put the whole container on the counter. The upper ones will go toward things I don't use much since they'll be impractical to get to.

So, that's one project down. We've got to tackle the back room bookcases and office next...

Gregor
 

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Woohoo! A drone! Congrats on the new toy.

The storage solutions looks killer! Luckily/sadly I don't have as much need for such storage, but I'm thinking of using some Stanley T-Stack stuff since these clip-on to my DeWalt boxes. Good to read that these things are tough.
 

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So much awesome-ness!!

You taking the bike to the Touratech Rally in Plain? Trying to get there myself - would love to buy you a beer and chat bikes, builds, etc

I’ll be the guy in the ********* KTM 950. With BC plates.

M.
 

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Oh and while I think of it, if your new video endeavour includes some vids on KTM 950 mods and maintenance and you need a bike for demonstrations, I might just know of one....:thumbup:
 

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Ok
1) that is fantastic. I’ve seen these on Pinterest but it’s a bit more intimate when you watch someone build one and you have a connection.
2) your sister is kick ***...nuff said.


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So much awesome-ness!!

You taking the bike to the Touratech Rally in Plain? Trying to get there myself - would love to buy you a beer and chat bikes, builds, etc

I want to but we have a trip planned for that week so I don't think I'll be able to. I'd love to get to the Overland Rally West but don't know about that either.

Ok
1) that is fantastic. I’ve seen these on Pinterest but it’s a bit more intimate when you watch someone build one and you have a connection.
2) your sister is kick ***...nuff said.

1) Yeah, I've watched those same things and they look cool but I wondered how practical they were. Turns out they're really nice to have. I find that I get hardware out and put it back much more now and the containers stay in their spot and not on the counter. That's a huge win in a small shop.

2) I know right? I hope to be able to keep her here until the weather gets nice and she sees how great Oregon is.

So the big news for me is that I was invited to the Handbuilt Show - a show similar to the 1 Moto Show here in Portland but a bit more curated. The amount of publicity that the bike has been getting has been really surprising. I knew that a few places would pick it up which is why I wanted to do a real shoot for the bike before the 1 Show but I've been really surprised. It's in Austin in a few weeks and Lara and I will both be going to that so any Austin folks let us know the best Mexican places! Come and join us for some Negra Modelo's.


I think about 5 or 6 websites have done stories or features and at least three magazines have asked to feature it as well. While I don't have a bike to sell as part of my new endeavor this bike is doing the job of "building brand" as they say.

I need to be a bit more organized for the Handbuilt Show. Hopefully some printed information and at least one video done by then so we'll see how that goes.

Anyway, since I'll be driving down to Austin I wanted to deal with a creeping problem the van has had which is a weak charging system. It used to be about 13.9-14.1 volts but it's kept dropping but slowly enough I wasn't noticing. It kept starting and charging but with our recent cold snap it was really struggling. I knew my two DieHards were toast as even with a night on the charger they'd barely crank the van over.

It was time to get a serious battery and have the charging system checked out.

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The back battery had pretty hammered terminals and shortening them would mean moving the rusty battery box. I didn't want to replace the whole length of 1ga. wire so I opted for what I thought was going to be a simple solution - making a new battery box to hold two batteries and moving it forward so the cables would reach with new ends.

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Much like working with Russian Baltic Birch as opposed to cheap plywood I am done working with hot rolled steel. I will pay the price to not have to deal with mill scale on any steel ever again. Yuck. I had some angle iron (hot rolled of course) and figured this would be a good material and it was in the shop.

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Like most projects I thought it would take about a day and it took three days and was more complicated than I expected. I built the hooks on the back because a 65lb battery is a huge pain to try to hold with one hand and thread fasteners with the other. A jack works but I don't have one big enough to be stable. The hooks allow me to bench press the battery up over the frame cross member and then I drilled the holes. It's another belt and suspenders situation.

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I bought one of those inexpensive hydraulic crimpers and they're worth every one of the very few pennies they cost. Crimping the new battery terminals on was easy if you don't count laying on your back in the dirty driveway with dirt falling in your eyes.

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I got a little silly with the battery clamp. I made the wing nuts because I didn't want to be fiddling with a wrench over my head any more than I had to be. I noticed that the stainless 1" strap I used for the tie down sort of bowed a bit and so I made a brace from some scrap stainless rod. Also, that rule of 33's for stainless welding has changed my life. So. Much. Easier.

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So there you go. It's up quite a bit higher and more central. Not sure if that's an improvement or not. I want to use the space on the other side for the on board air compressor and tank.

One thing I will say is that these Odyssey Extreme batteries are expensive ($300ea times two!) and powerful. Like insanely powerful. It spins the starter up at what seems like twice the speed and the van starts instantly. My alternator was also diagnosed as failing so I put a new one in at the same time so the charging system is working at 100%. Massive improvement.

That's all - just a quick van improvement. I'll get the tires rotated again before we leave for Austin and I'd love to build the rear motorcycle carrier before then but I doubt there's time for that.

What with bookcases to build...

Gregor
 

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Just a comment on your battery mount.

I have a similar exposed mount in a tractor and find that when a thick layer of dirt collects on top of the battery and it gets wet it slowly discharges the battery. You need a cover over the battery to prevent this.

Hurry up with the videos. :thumbup:
 
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Just a comment on your battery mount.

I have a similar exposed mount in a tractor and find that when a thick layer of dirt collects on top of the battery and it gets wet it slowly discharges the battery. You need a cover over the battery to prevent this.

Hurry up with the videos. :thumbup:

I asked the guy at the alternator shop and he said it wasn’t a problem but that makes sense. I’ll look at how to do that but it may need to wait a bit.

Thanks for the explanation.

I’m working on the video thing - kind of a lot to learn!

Gregor
 

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I asked the guy at the alternator shop and he said it wasn’t a problem but that makes sense. I’ll look at how to do that but it may need to wait a bit.

Thanks for the explanation.

I’m working on the video thing - kind of a lot to learn!

Gregor

Gregor, stellar work as usual! I agree, HR material is the worst..let's of prep to make it ready to TIG.

You said you were going to build 2 battery boxes. Did you only do 1? It looks like you mounted that on the crossmember in front of the stock spare location?

That looks like a great spot for a house system battery set up.
 

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I asked the guy at the alternator shop and he said it wasn’t a problem but that makes sense. I’ll look at how to do that but it may need to wait a bit.



Thanks for the explanation.



I’m working on the video thing - kind of a lot to learn!



Gregor
I second the battery cover suggestion. Especially under an overlanding vehicle that will see dirt roads. You see full battery boxes in most European vehicles, and a lot of modern vehicles in general for this reason. It also keeps the battery terminals in much better condition. Here in the northeast with the salty slurry covering our roads half the year the bare lead battery terminals turn to dust with a quickness if they're not kept clean. It's either that or the green crust travelling up the cables that kills them. What should be a simple battery replacement turns into new cables and a new tray.

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I may be stating the obvious but you never know!

If you run out of Goo-Gone WD-40 also does a decent job taking off labels or at least the residual stickiness . . .
 

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Gregor you really can tell a story...

Some years ago I started to read this thread because of the house. That is still what I like most, it is beautiful. I love your descriptions of the process, and how you think. As usual it is the things that goes wrong that is the most educating. Something I really take notes of is how you seek advice and listen to others and how you later shares your knowledge and experience with those seeking help. That is how I would like to behave myself, I have been trying for 20 years and I am getting better using you and others as inspiration.

All those small side projects and ventures is interesting from multiple aspects, the attention to details that most would never think about, the craftsmanship, the skills. All together breaths of quality. And while I am working with computers all day I think best with paper and pencil in my hands, some notes, a sketch or an actual drawing. So those pictures makes me feel like home. Pictures, don’t start me on the pictures! Let me just say that I am delighted by the skill and details in them.

Thank you for this educating and entertaining thread, I am waiting with anticipation for the next episode of the ongoing story. Did I say that the house is beautiful?
 

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palun....I completely agree....Gregor, I started reading about your 950 refresh on ADV Rider (which by the way, has me looking for a 950/990 myself now...LOL) and then found my way over to garage journal and life has not been the same since....I make a point of dropping in here every morning....a nice way to get the day going with a little distraction...LOL!!!

I have no idea how you find the time to do all that you do but much thanks for sure...

Regards, Grant
 
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Gregor, the bike is awesome and the whole build was really great to follow! I actually listen to brap talk podcast, but as I go in order, will have to wait to get to the comment on your bike. I think it is no surprise that you get the attention you are getting.

Just wanted to tell you my garage/build estimations, as it seems to be the same case with your last ones ;) A one hour job is half a day, a half a day job is two days, couple of days is a week, and a week's job is a month. Has worked nearly everytime!

I see that it is an exciting year to come for you, and for us to follow. Good luck with all of the different projects to come!
 
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Thank you, I'm really glad people find some inspiration here.

Okay, I've not posted because I've been in the weeds - the usual place I find myself with almost every project. And I went to NYC for a week.

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The back room. The "den" the "tv room" or the room that we just tend to put things we don't want in the house. It's been the red headed step child of the house but a room that I really want to make useful. Obviously all the house I want to be useful but this room needs to be. It's become my defacto office and where we watch movies on Friday night but there's zero storage. We have no book cases in the house - well, one in that room which is filled with kids coloring stuff.

Lara cleaned it out in preparation of this project. What do we have to work with...

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I of course measured with a tape as well but I'll be damned if they weren't a few mm apart. After literally months of thinking about how to layout the room we decide to go with a wall of cabinets on the long wall. We'll put the tv in the middle and probably get a long sectional. This will sit us closer to the TV and sort of make the experience a bit more... dramatic? Like hifi I'm into the idea of a "correct" viewing or listening distance. The short side of the room will put us in the "zone" so to speak.

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While I think that it would be helpful to draw this stuff out on Sketchup or something I just like drawing. The sketchbook is like a journal - it's a physical mark in time and something about a pencil on paper helps me to work through problems.

So the plan is cabinets that go the full length of the room and a set of book shelves on top with the TV on the wall in the middle. Or something like that - the cabinets are certain, the bookshelves are less so but the experience of building the parts container with prefin plywood left me bitter - I loathe poor materials and I won't be using prefin.

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Some notes on measuring. I was always taught to make a "V" when I make a cut mark. The point of the "V" is the measurement as a line can vary or not be straight but marks are the least accurate way to make cuts because they vary.

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"Stops" are the most accurate or at least more accurate as the wood is hitting the same spot and you're hopefully able to repeat the process.

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Hopefully.

This is the bane of my existence. I use the stops, I check my work, I take my time and yet I get variation that, while perhaps only 2mm, is something that can add up. I can work in tenths or at least thousandths in metal but wood eludes me. I went back here and triple checked the set up and ended up cutting the boards all the same orientation. I think the table was a bit less than 1mm out of square over about 400mm but if you flip a board you now have 2mm...

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It's a hassle to finish but I have yet to regret using Baltic Birch for anything. It cuts perfectly, it sands perfectly, it finishes well. It's not "fancy" but it's honest. It's plywood but the best sort. I think it's the right choice for the room because it's a dark room and it's a casual room.

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The plan is to divide the length of base cabinets into something that is divisible by a sheet of plywood. Most of my dimension choices are based on how to get the most out of a sheet. Making three base cabinets of about 2040mm that are divided in half should give me a generous 7-8mm of room...

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I have a couple of sheets of 3/4" prefin left over so I rip a bunch of 100mm tall strips to serve as the bases. I use pocket screws here because, well, I still have a bunch of pocket screws. It will also let me hide the screws and just have plain fronts.

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We start by just ripping the sheets, making the bases and then cutting the parts to length. In order to try to keep these as accurate as humanly possible I don't move or reset the stops. All the long parts are cut at the same time, all the next longest parts are cut after. I make sure I don't go backwards to try to repeat a cut that was missed.

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I bring out the Festool 32mm spacer rail and again, I try to be as meticulous as I can.

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I find the paint marks from the garage cabinets and ironically I'm using the same measurements. I decide to drill the vertical panels all the same so they can be flipped if need be but then realize that some of the panels are not perfect multiples of 32mm - again, it's only 1mm out but when I built the kitchen cabinets this bit me in the ***. Flipping the rail and measuring from the other side now doubles the error and your shelves will not sit perfectly. Sure, once there's some plates on them but I really want to do this better.

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Nonetheless, mistakes are made. I overdrilled a set of holes where the hinges were - not a big deal. I decide to reference all the holes off the bottom edge. This way all doors can be similarly referenced and mistakes not multiplied. Slowly I'm coming to realize that you can't not make mistakes but you can take precautions to not let them multiply and grow with tolerance stacking.

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There's no reason for me to use markers on my sketches other than I love to use markers on my sketches. As the idea solidifies I'll add ink. My notes multiply and details get flushed out. In the above sketch I realized how I wanted to detail the opening with an Ogee bit on a bevel. That came to me in NYC. I'm not keen on hardware so the tops of the doors will be cut at an angle and there will be just enough room for your fingers to reach in and pull.

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I just love the look of that rounded angle - I've had that router bit for maybe 12 years and I don't get tired of what it does.

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While I'm ripping boards, Lara is finishing them. We're having a run of perfect weather so we take advantage of it and lay down the poly before we build.

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The plan is to assemble them and put on the last coat of poly in situ.

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I'm cutting away but haven't yet decided on how I'm actually putting the cases together. Like staining or prefinished plywood I've also decided I really don't like glue unless I absolutely have to use it. I did predrill this test piece but not with a drill that was long enough. I was curious if the screw would split the baltic birch or not and so now I know.

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I decide that I'm going to use the Domino to hold the boards together in alignment but I end up spending about two hours adjusting the Domino so that it's perfect. It was close - less than 1mm off - but again, I'm trying to chase down every opportunity for tolerance stacking. I'd rather put the time in to adjust the tool perfectly.

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The time put in adjusting the Domino pays off. Each domino is perfect, each board is perfect, each face is in alignment. I am way less than 1mm now on the joints and I feel like I made some sort of leap in skills but really I was just more careful.

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I used 1/4" or 6mm baltic birch for the backs and measure from corner to corner to check for squareness and am thrilled to find that I'm only 1mm out over 2100mm. When I tell that to Lara she deadpans, "Wow, how are you going to fix that?"

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So I'll post this shot of her...

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The first box goes in on the leveled base. It's off the floor because I shimmed the base to be level with blocks screwed to the back side. A new floor will cover the gap.

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I have brought out and used nearly all the Festool gear I have and am now getting back to familiarity with the process and tools again.

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The second box goes against the other wall...

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And my extra 7mm turns out to be about 2-3mm too short. Today I'll trim the base a bit to get it to fit and then just shorten that cabinet overall by 3mm. I may need to actually build it in place because it's so tight but overall I'm still pleased. As Ben said when he stopped by - nothing in the house is actually square, it's an old house.

The goal is to get the bases complete and locked in today and start work on the doors before spring break.

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And, apropos of nothing besides the first day of spring, we grilled outside this week for the first time. Skirt steak is a favorite with some grilled vegetables.

Gregor
 

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Hi Gregor,

It can be a little harder to find, but you can usually find prefinished/UV lacquered Baltic Birch plywood at most hardwood/specialty lumber stores.

In Southern California, finding someone that stocked 18mm prefinished was nearly impossible, everyone stocks 12mm and 6mm. But with a little patience and planning, you can usually get your supplier to send out as many sheets as you want to their finisher with their regular orders. I actually ended up purchasing a whole unit (22 sheets of 5x5 BB) because they gave me a significant volume discount, I didn't have to wait, and I am doing three bathrooms and a kitchen.
 

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Great to see you back with the Festool stuff! As a new TS55 owner (because of you, I might add), I was wondering what your recommendations are for rails. I bought the LR32 rail with the saw. Do you find yourself using the 75 or the 106 rail more for breaking down sheet goods?

I was thinking about buying the 106, but it seems like the best baltic birch is 5x5s, so it really wouldn't be necessary if I just committed to using that for my cabinets in the future.

I suspect the answer is to just buy both.
 
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Hi Gregor,

It can be a little harder to find, but you can usually find prefinished/UV lacquered Baltic Birch plywood at most hardwood/specialty lumber stores.

Wow, that would be awesome but I haven't found that yet. Ben probably knows about that up here but I haven't found that yet. I'll look though.

Great to see you back with the Festool stuff! As a new TS55 owner (because of you, I might add), I was wondering what your recommendations are for rails. I bought the LR32 rail with the saw. Do you find yourself using the 75 or the 106 rail more for breaking down sheet goods?

I was thinking about buying the 106, but it seems like the best baltic birch is 5x5s, so it really wouldn't be necessary if I just committed to using that for my cabinets in the future.

I suspect the answer is to just buy both.

I use the 106 all the time because I tend to buy the 4x8' sheets of baltic birch because it's a shade cheaper and it's easier for me to get the longer runs. Each of the three bases I'm using is 2040mm so more than 5' but I could probably have done four 1270mm cabinets. The long rail is a pain but I use it all the time. Before I had that I would put the 75 and the short LR32 rail together but I seem to recall it was just a bit short.

You might consider the long LR rail for tall cabinets. I seem to think it's a tad shorter than the 106 for some reason...

Gregor
 

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Glad to see you haven't been just basking in the afterglow of the BMW build. Cabinet building is one of the few times that I think a tablesaw absolutely out performs the tracksaw for repeatable cuts. Nevertheless, minor variation does occur. When I worked in construction, the same tape measure was used for the field measurements then in the shop all the way through the project. And like your process, all the rips of one dimension were made before moving on to the next. We also always cut a few extra pieces just in case. The skill of a true craftsman is not in achieving perfection, but accounting for the imperfection. Filler panels and reveals weren't created for aesthetic. They solve the problem of covering up the discrepancies. Ultra clean, minimalist design is the hardest to create. When you can cover it with 3 layers of trim and slather it in caulk and paint, nobody knows you can't read a tape measure.
 

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Great to see you back with the Festool stuff! As a new TS55 owner (because of you, I might add), I was wondering what your recommendations are for rails. I bought the LR32 rail with the saw. Do you find yourself using the 75 or the 106 rail more for breaking down sheet goods?

I was thinking about buying the 106, but it seems like the best baltic birch is 5x5s, so it really wouldn't be necessary if I just committed to using that for my cabinets in the future.

I suspect the answer is to just buy both.

The 118" rail is the way to go. Not having to make sure the rail is perfectly placed on the sheet saves a ton of time and frustration.
 

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It's always enjoyable when you post about your projects.

What am I looking at in this photo? You wrote that it's an Ogee bit, but I've never seen one with a tapered bearing. Is it a sleeve? Did you make it? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'd like to make a cabinet for our living room that has edge detail that closely approximates an Arne Vodder piece that we have. I've resigned to have to cut the profile in stages, but knowing that something like this exists in the world, makes me think that I have a chance at getting close.
 

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Prefinished Maple ply is available from my suppliers in KC, hadn't found prefinished Baltic Birch, hadn't thought to look for it. The Maple is lower quality core but works great where it gets the edges banded or other wise covered.

I like the structural integrity and ability to finish a raw BB ply edge, looks good with no voids. It also takes certain stains well too as seen on these end tables I did a long time ago.
Jason
 

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It's always enjoyable when you post about your projects.

What am I looking at in this photo? You wrote that it's an Ogee bit, but I've never seen one with a tapered bearing. Is it a sleeve? Did you make it? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'd like to make a cabinet for our living room that has edge detail that closely approximates an Arne Vodder piece that we have. I've resigned to have to cut the profile in stages, but knowing that something like this exists in the world, makes me think that I have a chance at getting close.

It's a Festool bit - 491135 but it seems like it's not part of the catalog anymore. It's a 6mm radius roundover bit to match a 30 degree cut with a bearing that has a sleeve. Setting the height correctly gives you a perfect rounded edge on a beveled edge.

So basically I cut the board at 30 degrees and then run this over it with the router and I get that detail. It always felt very midcentury and it was the first bit I bought when I got the router so many years ago. I made a nice cherry table top with it as my first project. It's still my favorite bit and I think you can still find it out there although it seems more likely in Europe.

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ApplePly comes in 4x8 sheets, and you can also get 3/4" in 4x10 sheets. They can also provide it with different species used for the face veneers, although i believe that's a special order.
 

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Gregor, have you looked into Cabinotch? They have a facility Salem. I had planned on building all my cabinets, but then someone turned me on to them. Depending on how far along you are they may be worth checking out...
 

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Gregor, have you looked into Cabinotch? They have a facility Salem. I had planned on building all my cabinets, but then someone turned me on to them. Depending on how far along you are they may be worth checking out...

Weird synchronicity--I've been admiring Gregor's work for a while now, and read this last night. Today my lovely wife found me a supplier of BB plywood in our area for some cabinet projects--just across the border in Northern New Jersey--turns out they are also a supplier of Cabinotch cabinets....
 
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I asked at the lumber place that I get my baltic birch from and they don't offer any prefinished and can't order it. So it's back to poly and sanding.

We left off with the middle case being about 3mm too large...

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I took off about three mm's on the bottom panel and the fit was about perfect so I set about building the reduced size case.

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I built up the case and then Lara and I tried to fit it into place. It was like a tight slip fit. We had to put it in perfectly square and slide each side in equally at the same time so it stayed straight and once it was mostly in place it slid the rest of the way in.

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I have to say that I feel pretty good about the cases lining up. I was certain that I'd have to fill the sides with some kind of filler panel but it's nearly perfect.

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I found a scrap of walnut ply and used it as a door hinge test piece. I noticed that the cup distance was not exactly equal and decided that since I was on a tool calibrating roll that I should try to figure out that issue.

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My solution was to make a small round in the lathe from stainless that was exactly 10mm in diameter and then set the guides to 5mm (the radius) and check to see if they were lined up perfectly. They weren't and so I made the adjustment and put the new tool in the case with the rest of the LR tools.

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I then started to drill the cups with very tiny adjustments based on the case size so that the doors would all be perfectly aligned since it seemed like my doors were all too small by about 2-3mm. The second mistake I didn't see until I was this far along. Can you see it? It's glaringly obvious once you try to mount the next door in either case as I quickly discovered.

If you guessed that I was using full overlay hinges on the center section instead of half overlay hinges you win!

And I lose!

But in what can only be described as a complete freak accident my two wrongs made a right. They actually cancelled each other out. I returned half the hinges for half overlay hinges and that brought the doors together by about 3-4mm and my two mistakes fixed each other. I just never get that lucky but this time I did.

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Once I had the right hinges the door gaps took care of themselves and in some cases were too tight but I was able to just shave off a few mm to get them to fit.

Don't worry, I made an odd number of mistakes so you still get a free one.

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I got too comfortable and flipped the rail and then bored the pocket at the wrong spot by one hole off. I turned a plug on the lathe and glued it in place and that's our little secret.

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We did the last coat of poly in place on the cabinets - it was a light third coat.

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That is quite a lot of storage all of a sudden. I'm sure we'll fill it with junk but hopefully we'll be getting rid of a bunch of stuff before these cabinets get all filled.

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The next step is to cut and trim the tops and so I've instituted slave labor in my quest to get prefinished baltic birch.

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Quantities are limited, the lead time is quite slow but the quality is surprisingly good.

Seriously though, finishing this stuff is just killing the time line. I wanted to get this wrapped up last week, I need to get this wrapped up this week.

Gregor
 
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Amazing. Did you drill all the dowel holes for shelving? I may have missed it but what’s your process for getting them right? I always end up with teeter totters instead of flat shelves!

Edit: never mind, I found it! [emoji846][emoji482]


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"Stops" are the most accurate or at least more accurate as the wood is hitting the same spot and you're hopefully able to repeat the process.

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Hopefully.

Gregor,

I won't pretend I'm as much as at a measely 10% of your woodworking capabilities (as an aside, I think a post from you on the FOG is what got me here), let alone your metal working skills, and I'm certain I'm roughly at 1% of your productivity (while being at 5-600% of your error rate :eek: ), but I ~can~ make perfect repeat cuts with the track saw, with an exceptionally simple yet effective setup.

Below is a copy of the post I made about it on the FOG (full thread for reference). It started about making repeat narrow cuts, but the method works for all sizes basically.

Here you see the "18mm jig" butted up against the sheet:
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Now I've placed two spacers between the guard rail and the jig, ready to make a narrow parallel cut:
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First parallel cut done:
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Now I just placed the first strip as "master" in the jig and made the second cut (I might as well have kept using the spacers, but with the master, it is less fiddly:
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And here you see how it's also possible to use this system for repeated wide parallel cuts:
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Hope it helps,
Jimbo.

PS: Yes, I know, all equipment used has a funny colour :)
 
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I like that system. It's essentially what the Festool system is doing but with hard stops. Festool introduces adjustability and scales that you can calibrate and they can then be off. I think at this point I've got the system dialed in.

I have to make some serious progress today...

Gregor
 
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