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OccupantRJ, what sort of inexpensive hose would you recommend to use for the media supply? I need to redo my setup from the current hose just stuck in the media to a 90 degree fitting at the bottom of the hopper like you have explained and need more hose than is on my gun currently.

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OccupantRJ, what sort of inexpensive hose would you recommend to use for the media supply? I need to redo my setup from the current hose just stuck in the media to a 90 degree fitting at the bottom of the hopper like you have explained and need more hose than is on my gun currently.

Thanks!

It takes a very special hose for this. :evil: It's called heater hose. Easily obtainable at any auto parts store.
 

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It takes a very special hose for this. :evil: It's called heater hose. Easily obtainable at any auto parts store.

Jeez I feel special right now haha. I was thinking of different hose that I could use, but I ended up at Lowes in the plumbing section and I didn't find anything that I thought would be sufficient. I didn't even think about heater hose, Thanks!
 

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Jist a pic, I must have missed this thread when it came by.
 

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Any blast gun without a trigger is a good one to me! I hate holding the trigger while blasting. Foot pedal or foot switch solenoid is much better IMO. By not having to hold the trigger, the gun can be turned and twisted for weird angles more readily. My gun has the capability to change out air jet sizes, as well as the nozzle size, and the air jet can be adjusted back and forth relative to the nozzle to adjust venturi effect. I guess if a guy was creative, he could measure and adjust the suction of the gun while air was being applied, using a manometer or possibly a vacuum gauge. I might have to give this a try.

A major factor is the introduction of inlet air mixed with media in the right proportions. The cabinet design has much to do with this. If a tube is extended down into a batch of media, it will tend to get an uneven flow of abrasive to the gun. The use of a hopper bottom with a media outlet underneath, along with an outside air inlet will tend to smooth things out.

There is usually a 90 degree pipe fitting with a hole drilled into the side of it under the cabinet hopper. The suction hose is inserted into this fitting and adjusted in or out to expose more or less inlet air, and held in place with a thumb screw tapped into the side of the fitting. This allows you to adjust the ratio of inlet air to media flow. All this applies only to suction type cabinets, pressure cabinets are a different animal.

Edit: Found an old picture of my media port. The suction hose slips inside this fitting, and is adjusted in or out to expose the hole to outside air, to adjust the air/media mix. The smaller fitting was where I experimented with an air jet inside the fitting to see if it helped the flow of media. That's been so long ago that I don't remember the results. :dunno:
Thanks for this!!
 

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Looking to I'd this gun. I need tips. Thanks
 

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i have also found -keeping just one bag ?? of media in my cabinet works great! when it gets worn out i use it in my outside pot blaster ! still does a good job blasting stuff !! also i put a air vibrater on the side of my media pick -up area w/a variable valve to speed it up or down-sure helps on media pick-up !!!! also most people tend to use too much air pressure ?? which can shorten blasting time -due to not enough cfm ?? hope im explaining this right ? i hope to put another 60-80 gal tank next to my current compressor for volume!
 

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...how much air do you have?? I have a HF cabinet/gun w/glass bead and have had excellent results... fast and efficient...
My compressor puts out over 25 cfm...
Blasting of any sort requires A LOT of clean DRY air!
If you've checked your air supply... volume, filtration, adequately sized lines, etc, and still have issues, a number of good quality guns are available at reasonable prices. At the shop I retired from we bought a replacement gun, (for foot control) for our cabinet, for about $50.
Look at TP tools... they have a variety of guns in all price ranges... depending on how much air you have and how "productive" you want to be.
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Hey RJ...
Been around GJ for a number of years... think this the first I've seen of your threads. Great info... thanks for all the hard work you've put into sharing this info!!
A buddy and I designed and built a prototype of a woodworking cyclone collector (which went into production) so I'm pretty familiar with those concepts. I've been toying with the idea of a cyclone for my cabinet but haven't yet put pencil to paper... hadn't thought much about the "recirculating" concept but ya got my mind spinning now!! I need to do a lot of studying of the material you have here before I ask questions you've probably already answered...
Thanks again,
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I assure you all of us on the Abrasive Blasting threads would be very eager to learn from any info you'd care to share on Cyclones and reclaimers.

Hey RJ...
Been around GJ for a number of years... think this the first I've seen of your threads. Great info... thanks for all the hard work you've put into sharing this info!!
A buddy and I designed and built a prototype of a woodworking cyclone collector (which went into production) so I'm pretty familiar with those concepts. I've been toying with the idea of a cyclone for my cabinet but haven't yet put pencil to paper... hadn't thought much about the "recirculating" concept but ya got my mind spinning now!! I need to do a lot of studying of the material you have here before I ask questions you've probably already answered...
Thanks again,
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...one thing I will mention...
I read something about trying to find a good fabric for filter bags...
When we were developing our cyclone (and upgrading our conventional dust collectors), I found a company that specializes in industrial filtration. We sourced them to build all of our filter bags. They use "shaker felt" that flows extremely well (in 2 years of testing) I'll have to double check the rating... I know it was at least 5 micron but want to say it was 1 micron or better. IIRC, they would sell fabric by the yard or, if you sent them a drawing, they would build your bag for you. We bought in quantity so prices were extremely reasonable, but even one-off stuff is surprisingly affordable. When I get a chance, I'll do a bit of research and can let ya know.
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That would be fantastic! I used duck fabric for the output bag on my glass bead cabinet, and seems to be doing the job. I will research shaker felt. Can you post the name of the company and contact info? I know one member is attempting to acquire bags at the moment. Thanks.
 
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I found their info last night...
American Fabric Filter
...and their felt is 1 micron... as long as the bag is adequately sized.
They're a family run business and an absolute pleasure work with! They have "job planners" on their website and are happy to discuss your job with you.
As I mentioned, we did extensive flow testing with their felt... it is virtually "transparent" and is one of the ways we extracted performance from our cyclone. If you get any of that microfine dust around your cabinet, this product will solve the problem... as well as any flow issues you may have.
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I do have one question...
When you built your reclaimer, what did you use for an impeller? Were you able to source one or did you build it?
When we were working on the cyclone project we couldn't find what we needed so we designed and built ours... worked great.
Do you remember what the diameter of your impeller is? I'm guessing you're more interested in flow than static pressure?
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Thank you. I originally tried a squirrel cage fan impeller, but it was very marginal at best. A few years later I was at a yard sale and saw the perfect impeller on a blower for sale at $10. I removed the impeller and installed on my cyclone and it was exactly what I was needing. I was preparing to fabricate one when I found that one, so I got lucky.

Do you have any links to your cyclone to share?
 

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...the only info on the cyclone I would have available at the moment would be at the company's website...

If you're interested...

Woodworker's Supply (.com)

...just search for dust collection or the cyclone...

I haven't looked at any info for several years... last I knew, the pics were of the actual prototype we built (which is now in my garage)

There should be lots of performance info listed on the cyclone as well as the filter bags

We developed a number of dust collection fittings as well that you may be interested in...
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Hey RJ,
Just read your profile... we have very similar backgrounds... except for the 20 years I spent working for my Rich Uncle (Sam)... but, even during my time of indenture, I still did a bit of wrenching and fabricating
 
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Since I retired, I spend my spare time in the shop restoring machine tools, and blast nearly every day in the pursuit of that hobby. There are a couple of machine refurbs in my profile albums. I have several more to add now. Look in the profile at all threads started by me and you can follow a few.
 
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Cool... thanks for the link... I'll check it out!
I have a Bridgeport mill, a lathe, an old Powermatic 2hp variable speed drill press and a nice old bench grinder I need/want to restore. Everything works now but I want to freshen them up a bit. I have a '27 Hupmobile that I want to resto/mod and a '32 International 2 ton truck to restore. Cant wait to get going on those!!!
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The shop built blasting gun has earned it’s keep for sure. 8 years and counting without a hitch in regular use. I have the air jet sized so that I can blast flat out without outrunning the compressor, and when I stop, the compressor shuts off inside of a minute. I only run 120 psi on my air system, because any more is wasted in my situation. I have a thermostat controlled vent high on the wall of the compressor room to pull hot air air from the compressor(s) during use to help them run cooler.
 

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Clean setup RJ
Looks like 1" Black Pipe. I've been shopping for Pipe lately, and I'm not finding any prices that don't give me sticker shock. I have found ZORO to be very reasonable for black iron fittings. Lowes and HD have high prices, and the local lumber-home improvement store has the highest prices I've ever seen on pipe fittings. A 1/4" street 90 elbow......$3.77.
No thanks, I HAVE to shop online.
 
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dkmc, the pipe is actually 3/4”. I bought my pipe from lowes when I did mine, but I found an old school hardware going out of business in a town I passed through for work. They still had prices from years ago like 84 cents for a 3/4” elbow by the time the going out of business discount was applied. I emptied some of their bins for them with a smile. I also already had a number of various pipe fittings on hand that I had accumulated over the years that I blasted and used. Here is the link to my air piping thread.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227948
 

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Those were some good bargains at that hardware store.
I thought (for example) the 3/4" Tee from Zoro for $1.74 was a pretty good price in 2019.
Thanks for the Piping Thread link, that will be some interesting reading
 

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