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Can we talk about a patio build here?

dahigdon

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Just an honest question... I am considering trying to build a new patio and patio cover, is it okay to seek advice for a project like this on GJ?

If not, pretend this never happened :lol_hitti
 
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certainly, ask away (may not be the right subforum, but it will get sorted out)
 

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Dahigon,

Will it it be attached to a garage?

I mean no offense, but I've noticed as this site has grown, there's more building related questions than garage related building questions.

I'm all for helping out a "neighbor". That's what forums like this do, allow us to exchange information regardless of how far down the road we are.

I've noticed this it's getting harder to find/revisit a recent post/thread given the volume I think an off topic/all building section here would be fine. Even sections for concrete/masonry/carpentry ect sounds like a good idea. We all like an organized shop and seems to me that the general section is too general for all the questions members have.
 

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Dahigon,

Will it it be attached to a garage?

I mean no offense, but I've noticed as this site has grown, there's more building related questions than garage related building questions.

I'm all for helping out a "neighbor". That's what forums like this do, allow us to exchange information regardless of how far down the road we are.

I've noticed this it's getting harder to find/revisit a recent post/thread given the volume I think an off topic/all building section here would be fine. Even sections for concrete/masonry/carpentry ect sounds like a good idea. We all like an organized shop and seems to me that the general section is too general for all the questions members have.
The forum is divided into several sub-forums where members can ask questions and others can answer their questions on several different subjects. Look at the titles of the different forum areas and you will see questions/answers/comments can be asked or discussed about many different things, not just about what goes on inside of a garage.

A lot of the members here are quite skilled in construction and really enjoy helping other members with a problem they are having. A lot of times the members giving the advice do not agree with each other, but nevertheless we do what we can to try and help out. That's why we are a fairly tight community.
 

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Actually this subject has come up a number of times before, and I usually suggest the person downloads and looks at some of the pdf files that various agencies in S Cal have published as examples. You will probably find something similar for Arizona, but these should get you started

https://www.lahabracity.com/DocumentCenter/View/91/Standard-Open-Patio-Cover-PDF

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/pds/docs/pds078.pdf

https://temeculaca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/258/CD21---Attached-Residential-Patio-Cover-PDF

https://www.cityofcalabasas.com/BuildingSafety/handouts/attached-patio-cover-standard.pdf
 
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dahigdon

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Thanks for the response! I looked through the PDF's you attached and they don't really cover the questions that I have. Here is a photo of our house now:
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As you can see we have a stucco home with flat roof and parapets. The house is only 1500sq ft and my wife is due with twins in April. I am looking to create some more usable space so that the house doesnt feel so small. We are on an acre of land so we have some space to expand.

Here is a sketch of what I kind of had in mind:
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I would love for the patio cover to be almost as wide as the house, but I am concerned bout a few things:

Question #1 - I can't seem to find a consensus on the proper way to attach a ledger to a stucco home. Is it best practice to cut into the stucco so that the ledger mates directly to the trusses/joists, or is okay to mount the ledger on the exterior of the stucco via lag bolts?

Question #2 - There are 3 different roof/ceiling heights on the house that you can see in the image. I assume that the roof trusses will be at 3 different heights because of this. I am concerned that I need to tie a ledger board into the house that spans the length of the patio cover, but of course I would prefer the patio to not have 3 tiers like the house...

View media item 98814This is the closest photo I could find to illustrate what I am trying to accomplish...

These are my 2 biggest questions at this point... The rest of it I somewhat understand. Unfortunately, this home has no attic/crawl space for me to peek inside. Thanks ahead of time for any help guys!

Actually this subject has come up a number of times before, and I usually suggest the person downloads and looks at some of the pdf files that various agencies in S Cal have published as examples. You will probably find something similar for Arizona, but these should get you started

https://www.lahabracity.com/DocumentCenter/View/91/Standard-Open-Patio-Cover-PDF

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/pds/docs/pds078.pdf

https://temeculaca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/258/CD21---Attached-Residential-Patio-Cover-PDF

https://www.cityofcalabasas.com/BuildingSafety/handouts/attached-patio-cover-standard.pdf
 
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As you can see we have a stucco home with flat roof and parapets. The house is only 1500sq ft and my wife is due with twins in April. I am looking to create some more usable space so that the house doesnt feel so small. We are on an acre of land so we have some space to expand.
speaking of exchanging ideas - what is a "parapet"? Is that a dog that likes to parachute jump? :lol_hitti
(seriously, I don't know)

Next - 1500 sq ft = small? My "monster garage" is only 1200! :beer:
 
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dahigdon

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Maybe consider using these to connect the roof to the house so you're not compromising the stucco?

https://skylifthardware.com/

Another option is to do fully freestanding with posts next to the house.

Those are a neat idea, but I dont know if I could make them work with our flat foam roof. The parapet walls on the roof are a few feet tall, so these would have to get up high enough to clear the parapets... making the patio cover extremely tall. But who knows, that could be my only option, so I appreciate the idea :beer:


speaking of exchanging ideas - what is a "parapet"? Is that a dog that likes to parachute jump? :lol_hitti
(seriously, I don't know)

Next - 1500 sq ft = small? My "monster garage" is only 1200! :beer:

I had no idea what a parapet was until we bought this house either, so no worries haha Its just a fancy name for the wall that goes all the way around our roof. It extends a couple feet above the roof in some areas, and maybe only a foot in other areas. That's why you see water spouts coming off the roof in homes like this. You cant see any in my photo because all of our spouts are on the east and west sides of the house... the photo I took is from the north side of the home.
 

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Every good house in the desert should have a parapet! Handy for shooting coyotes!
 

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You actually kind of need to work backwards because there are usually minimum requirements on the height of the structure and the slope of the roof

In this example from San Diego, they require a minimum of 6' 8" under the beam. So you would then figure out the size of the beam (4 x 10 or whatever) and then add to it the width of the rafters that will sit on top ( 4 x 6 for example) along with your roofing material, to get the total height of the structure where your going to set the posts. Then you would apply the minimum slope of the roof (1/4" per every foot for example) and this would give you a rough idea where you would attach the ledger to your house. You could always go higher, but this would be the lowest point. I bring this up because you have that transom type window to deal with

And yes, very common to just lag bolt the ledger through the stucco to the studs. You can usually find the studs on the inside of the house using a stud finder and carefully transfer the measurements to the outside

Of course, you need to follow your local building codes, these are just examples from S Cal. Those links I gave you also show the connection details on how to attach the ledger to your house

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dahigdon

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Working backwards like that seems like a really smart way to go about it. Looks like I have some homework to do!

Can I just lag the header to the framing studs? Would something like this be strong enough? If so, that would be great news because it wouldn't restrict the height at which I can mount the ledger. I wasn't sure if the ledger needed to me mounted directly to the and cap of the roof trusses? Thus limiting my height options base on the pre-determined height of the trusses...
 
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