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30+ year old pole barn - makeover/facelift (lots of pics)

hilld

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When we first bought our place 5 years ago, there was an existing 30 year old pole barn 24'x32', nothing special, but the focus was on re-doing the house and building a studio, so my "barn" had to wait. Fast forward 5 years and I finally get to "upgrade", "rehab", or "make over" it, depending on what you call it. I had even considered replacing the entire structure, but in the end decided that the lower cost option is the better move, allowing me to purchase a better lift instead (it will go with me when we sell). If the rehab can make the building last another 20-30 years, I am way ahead.

The old pole barn had some issues, such as no insulation, a severely cracked and sunken slab, a few leaks in the roof (every year I am caulking more), a crappy aluminum window, gaps along the bottom of the metal and lots of air leaks.

Step 1 was to get everything out of there (big job) and move it into my wife's garage and a few items into our studio. The slab was busted out and hauled off, a new 6" slab poured and a small parking pad for the tractor, mower and other implements. I don't have pictures of the concrete work, but here is the parking pad. (Note: the barn will be painted later this year)

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Pic of the tractor:
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Inside of the barn after pressure washing the walls and ripping down the ceiling felt (new floor is covered up).

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Window already replaced:

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View out of sliding door, note the man door on the right is being taken out as well as the light panel being taken out of service.

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One of the goals was to have the building usable in all weather, the previous winters were just miserable, if I heated the building the condensation was just dripping from the walls, causing many of the tools to rust, so my goal was to have great insulation and seal off all of the air gaps. After doing some research, I decided on closed cell foam, 1.5" thick. The closed cell foam is rigid (somewhat structural), air and water tight and sound deadening. The spray foam application took about 3 days (there was a equipment breakdown on the first day and they didn't get very far, so about 1.5 days of actual spraying).

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The truck that contained all of the spray equipment.

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This concludes the foam insulation, next is to move everything back in, put up some peg board, tool hooks and modify 2 of the trusses for the 2 post lift.
 
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Truss modification

As the bottom of the trusses were only 9.5' to the floor, a modification had to be made.

The truss received a new bottom cord in the middle of 2x8 and lots of 3/4" plywood gussets and some additional 2x6 supports, it should be just as good as before. I had consulted with an engineer, but he didn't want to deal with a 30year old structure, but basically told me to do it this way.

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Other trusses (same as the modified ones)

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Moving stuff back in

So, my wife wanted her garage back, so I had to move everything back in the barn (before actually modifying the trusses), more stuff to "trip over".

Things going back in, lets call it an organized mess. I purchased some pallet racking on CraigsList to help with the vertical storage needs and had to move some lights.

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Pegboard and yard tool storage:

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Closeup of pallet racking and the tool box. :bounce:

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More peg board and futon

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My old shelving - rearranged

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More to come after lift install this Friday.

Derek
 

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Looks like you are getting back to normal and the insulation and new floor will make for a nice clean and air tight shop.
 

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I like the way you modified the truss. We have an old Armco building that was put
up in 1950 which had a 10' wide door. We used a 16" tall LVL beam to span the
opening and enlarged it to accept a 16' wide overhead door. Good luck with your
project.
 

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Nice. Pictures of the S-car please -) Good to have an Audi fan here! What chassie is the S6? I have a B5 S4 Avant in laser.
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S6 pics will have to come later (very dirty right now). Mine is a 2002, so it is a wagon. :) Let's call it the ultimate grocery cart or in my case golf cart as I have been hauling my clubs around for a while now and hitting the driving range at lunch a couple times a week.

Can't wait till Friday, that is lift install day. Wish I could have done it sooner, but had to wait for the concrete to cure.

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WOW, looks ausome. Ever wana get rid of some of those tools you let me know

Don't think that is going to happen. I didn't sell them when I stopped being a mechanic. I was an ASE Master Automobile Technician working for several Ford and Chrysler dealers in the US and I worked as a tech in Germany for VAG (Volkswagen & Audi). I also turned wrenches in the Army for 5 years. I still have the tool addiction, always adding to my collection.
 
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Mohawk System 1A lift install

Today was day 28 after the concrete was poured and it is officially cured, so the lift install was scheduled for today, what a good reason to take a day off work. The installers showed up around 10am and were done by about 1:15pm, so 3 hours to install with 2 guys, not too bad. Ok, lots of pictures.

Unloading:

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Massive arms

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More unloading:
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Hardware:

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Massive columns:

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Installation:

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Hooking up the hydraulic lines:

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Installing the arms, they were pretty heavy and we had to sand off all the paint on this particular arm, the paint was so thick, it wouldn't fit.

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All done:

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First lift, our Passat, full 72 inches up in the air.

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Underground clearance:

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That is it, I am very happy with it, next up will be lifting the F350 crew cab diesel, but not for a day or two, have to replace a CV joint on the Passat first.
 
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Awesome improvements. It's hard for us city guys not to be insanely jealous of that kind of place.
 
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hilld

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Those 2 guys are not me, I paid for the install, they have that down to a science. While I could have done it, by the time I paid for delivery, rental of an SDS Max drill, rental of a forklift and hydraulic oil, the difference would have only been about $100, so I got to work on the lights and take pictures. :)

I did do the electrical work, so I did the easy part.
 

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To me, he looked like The Edge -- as in the guitar player for U2. But then, here in sunny Los Angeles a guy in a hat is an unusual sight.
 

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I am glad someones Mohawk install went right today. My install didn't go to well. They got to my shop a little after 8am and left a little after 5pm and it still isn't working.

Can you tell me how the pluming on the off side is connected. Particularly the bleeder vavle. From your picks there looks like there is a tee in one of the lines then it goes over to the bleeder valve. I think that is where my problem is.

It started off with them not being able to find the house I had to go down to the end of my driveway and wave them down. Then the fork lift was late showing up so they started getting their tools setup. Tip don't bring a 12 foot ladder to a shop with 10 foot ceiling. The forklift finally shows up and they were finally able to get the lift off the truck. The get the lift posts uprighted and started the install. Not really sure what caused all the problems at this stage but they seemed to be struggling with it the entire time you know there is a problem with the installers are calling the boss several times during the install. Like all bosses when you actually need them they can't be found. They did send someone out to do a site survey last week but apparently they didn't pass the info along to the install team and they don't have the tools to cut and reflare the lines they make a run to home depot to buy tools. Another tip a flaring tool meant for copper doesn't do to well working on steel lines. They finally get the lines installed and fill the lift with oil. They try running it up. The main side lifts and the off side doesn't move now the main side is all the way up and the off side still hasn't moved. They try to lower the main side and it wont come down it is all the way up and the off side is all the way down. That is where it stands right now. They tried to figure it out but couldn't and the boss isn't answering his phone. Supposed to come out monday and fix it. Hopefully they can figure it out monday.
 
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Awesome improvements. It's hard for us city guys not to be insanely jealous of that kind of place.

Agreed. I grew up on a farm and now I live in an apartment. Half my time on this board is ogling garages the way most men ogle breasts.
 

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I think I figured out what they did wrong. I think they put the bleeder valve in backwards. On mine the line from the main post connects to the top of the bleeder valve. Hopefully they can come out and fix it monday. I only have 500 miles to go before the 40k service is due on my car.
 
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Thank you. I found out they crossed the lines between the 2 posts.

Nice shop by the way.

Thanks for the compliment. So are you up and running now, I assume you fixed the crossed lines yourself. The bleeding process took only 15 minutes or so, but they did have to tighten one of the arms and shim one of the cylinders to get everything level in my case.

Happy lifting.

Derek
 

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No I didn't fix it myself. They messed up the lines so bad that I can't fix it. The lines had to be cut since my ceiling is so low. Well they were trying to keep how many ends they had to re-flare to a minum since they didn't have the right tools. Hopefully the boss will bring the right tools or call in one of the hose companies in town that have the right tools to redo the lines. I am not impressed with the company that installed the lift. I'm hoping the can get it fixed monday I've just about at the point of telling them to come get their lift and I will either call Mohawk and get the ok to buy from out of state or get a diffrent brand. It has been one problem after another with this company.
 

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As promised, more pictures, this time after getting the "pig" up on the hoist. 2003 F-350 Crew Cab with a 6.0 Diesel.

Is there a truck adapter (frame cradle) offered by Mohawk? The flat pads don't look like the safest option if you're really wrenching on it.

Everything else looks great!

I'd love to pickup a Mohawk, especially since their facility is located about 25 miles from my house here in NY.....
 

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On your foam insulation. I thought all foam has to be covered with non combustible material, sheet rock, steel or something else because it is such a fume hazard in a fire. I know that is the case in residential in most of north America.
 
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Mohawk doesn't make a frame cradle adapter, but I did talk to my dealer and he had another supplier that custom makes them. Basically, they took a "standard" frame cradle adapter and put a stud on it that is the right size for the mohawk lift arms. Total cost on those was about $150 shipped. The truck hasn't been on the lift since then, but the other cars and the motorcycle have spent a fair about of time on the lift.

I had the pleasure to do 2 timing belt and water pump jobs on the Passat and S6, not a fun job, but much more fun with a hoist than laying on the ground.

Would I do it again and do the Mohawk again?

Definitely Yes. I would love to have a larger shop, but maybe in the next life.
 

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nice looking shop.... the one thing that scares me is it looks like there would be alot of stress on the posts of your lift without having a top cross bar installed.
 

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nice looking shop.... the one thing that scares me is it looks like there would be alot of stress on the posts of your lift without having a top cross bar installed.

with other lifts that might be of concern, but I wouldn't think twice about it with a mohawk, provided the concrete is up to spec. the concrete would likely fail long before those beefy columns/bases.

Hilld - good move on the truck adapters. I assumed you might have it figured out.

I'm looking forward to two VAG timing belt changes this spring on our b5.5 passat wagon and b5 s4 wagon. I don't think I'll have a lift in time to do mine though :(
 
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Care to spill what the spray foam cost ?

For the tear out of the old felt and foam install I was just over $3k. That is 2" of closed cell foam an all the walls and ceiling. I don't recall the sq footage, but the barn is 24x32 with 10' side walls.

Love the result from the foam, it stays fairly comfy in there with the heater (no moisture) and without the heater, it doesn't go below freezing even if 20 * outside.
 

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Sweet, a fellow inmate! Looking for ideas to update my 26 y/o pole barn. Currently it is ~26x38 with 10' wall and a sliding 12' door on one side and a 7' wall on the other, don't ask I have no idea why the original builder did it that way, it's dumb. It did have water and sewer with it's own elec service. The house has since been put on city water so that part is dead now, I'll have to check on the sewer to see if it's still good.
 
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Great job on the barn to shop conversion. I like the spray foam insulation, it should make things nice and comfy working in there.
 

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hilld......on the picture of the "off side" of the lift, what is the cylindrical item on top of the post that the "A" line is connected? Thanks again.
 
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