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It was funny to come here to post this and see FreshleySnipes's thread about best ratcheting screwdrivers right up at the top. Some great replies there, but not quite what I'm looking for and don't want to threadjack.

I'm wanting to put together a screwdriver "system" with various handles and bits/blades that fit all of them, similar to ratchets and sockets. 1/4" hex is a logical universal option. Of course an issue with these is not being able to get into tight spots with a short bit due to the necked-up shaft, so having long bits/blades would be crucial for me. It would really be cool if you could even get some really long ones, like 12"+.

Thing is, I'm just not seeing a lot of support here? This Wera set is on the right track, but only 89mm and not exactly a buffet-o-bits. https://www.kctoolco.com/wera-057482-kraftform-kompakt-turbo-set-18-pieces/

So, can anyone help point me in the right direction here? And I'd love to see what you guys have put together!
 
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It was funny to come here to post this and see FreshleySnipes's thread about best ratcheting screwdrivers right up at the top. Some great replies there, but not quite what I'm looking for and don't want to threadjack.

I'm wanting to put together a screwdriver "system" with various handles and bits/blades that fit all of them, similar to ratchets and sockets. 1/4" hex is a logical universal option. Of course an issue with these is not being able to get into tight spots with a short bit due to the necked-up shaft, so having long bits/blades would be crucial for me. It would really be cool if you could even get some really long ones, like 12"+.

Thing is, I'm just not seeing a lot of support here? This Wera set is on the right track, but only 89mm and not exactly a buffet-o-bits. https://www.kctoolco.com/wera-057482-kraftform-kompakt-turbo-set-18-pieces/

So, can anyone help point me in the right direction here? And I'd love to see what you guys have put together!

You might take a look at the PB Swiss tool sets soon because the 25% off Labor Day sale is ending soon.

https://toollady.com/store/Driver-Sets-c18131039

I'm not so interested in kits but I have their fixed screwdrivers and they're excellent.

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You might also take a look at the Wiha (also rebranded as Festool) power bit holder. The Wiha holds bits securely with almost no movement. In comparison, the Wera holder is a bit wiggly. Here's a Youtube video demonstration.

KC tools has them --> https://www.kctoolco.com/wiha-76000-softfinish-centrofix-quick-release-1-4-power-blade-handle/

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As far as screwdriver “systems” go there are a bunch of different standards for “blades” and “bits”, as well as then handles.
1/4” , ie. 6.3mm hex is the major standard.
Virtually every tool company makes a nonratcheting bit handle or several of different types, and some also manufacture one or more ratcheting handles.
You can also get adapters for most types of power tools to hold the insert bits and quickly change them.
The1/4” “Insert bits are the bits that are isually about 1” long, made from 1/4” steel hex stock, With one end machined into the bit driver shape and the other end machined flat, with a thin groove cut into the points on the hex profile maybe a 1/4” from the flat machined end.
These are usually held in the driver handle by a retaining ring and/or a magnet.

The advantage to the above, is they’re the most common bit type,
Usually the cheapest and most readily available bit type,
And other than very large or very small driver tips, you can get virtually every driver type in the “Insert” bit type of bit.
For very small driver tips, Moody, and possibly others manufacture adapters so some of there interchangeable bits could be used in a 1/4” bit driver handle.

The major disadvantage to 1/4” Insert bits is the bits are short, and when combined with the added dimensions other the bit holder, it can be hard or impossible to get the bit end into recesses.
The other major disadvantage, is that the retaining ring systems sometimes used to hold the bits in place don’t hold the bits solidly, so bit can get pulled out of the driver handle.
Magnetic bit holders sometimes have weak magnets, and other times they have strong magnets, that will cause and errant magnetic steel or rust to get stuck to the bit tip.
 
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Thanks guys. I've seen most of these options, but what I'm really after are some longer bits such that you essentially end up with something more akin to a standard screwdriver and not a 1" bit in a handle. Very much like the Wera link in my OP, or the PB Swiss set posted above (except they couldn't be used in stubby handles), but with longer blades and everything from square drive to security Torx. Is it not out there?

Here is some Chinesium on Amazon on the right track: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0827KJ8B2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

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I have several of the PB Swiss kits like linked above. They ****. The handles are loose on the shafts, even if its tight when you get it new, it quickly deforms or loosens and gains some slop. Really frustrating considering how expensive they are and their normal screwdrivers are fantastic.

The best one in terms of no slop that I've used is the Wiha IV system with its locking hex handle that uses detents on the blade. Also nice as you can adjust the length of the blade.

I bought a few of these systems for space saving reasons and honestly it was kind of a waste of money, especially as theres not any reason savings vs just buying the same screwdrivers with regular handles. You may want several handles too otherwise you have to swap blades out every time to change fastener.
 
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I hate that you might be right. I always planned on having 10 or 12 standard screwdrivers but was hoping to get away with something more compact than 30++ additional for situations I rarely encounter :-/. Seems a shame that someone doesn't seem to have gotten this right by 2020.
 

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Thanks guys. I've seen most of these options, but what I'm really after are some longer bits such that you essentially end up with something more akin to a standard screwdriver and not a 1" bit in a handle. Very much like the Wera link in my OP, or the PB Swiss set posted above (except they couldn't be used in stubby handles), but with longer blades and everything from square drive to security Torx. Is it not out there?

Here is some Chinesium on Amazon on the right track: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0827KJ8B2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1

For longer bits I might recommend some of the German 6mm hex shank drivers.
These use 6mm hex profiled, long(maybe 6”), bits, which nowadays usually have bit tips machined into both ends.
The 6mm hex long bits seem to have been a standard at some point in Germany and some other parts of Europe.

Wiha used to manufacture the bits as their “System 6” or “System VI” screwdrivers.
Wiha still sort of manufactures the System 6 system, although they niw call it the “Driv-Loc” or “Driv-Loc 6” system. It still uses 6mm hex shank bits, bit the hex shanks now have dimples pressed into the sides, which allow the bits to be locked into the Wiha handles at different depths, in case you need a shorter screwdriver.
The Wiha bits will still usually fit in 6mm blade handles from other manufacturers, although the dimples can cause a bit of friction.
Wiha manufactures the handles in a rubberized handle, an ESD handle, and a hard “microfinish” handle, that gives grip if the handle gets oil on it.
Wiha also manufactures a ratcheting pistol grip handle that can be used with the Driv-Loc 6 bits with an adapter.

Wera also manufactures the 6mm drive blades, also double ended, although without the dimple system.
Wera calls their 6mm blade system the “Vario”.
They manufacture the handles in their usual dual material, rubber insert design, and in an ESB design, although I don’t think those are rubberized.
Wera also offers a 6mm/Vario straight ratchet handle(which I think may be made by the same Taiwan? Manufacturer that makes ratcheting handles for Bahco and maybe Facom)
Wera also manufactures a 1/4” square socket driver blade for the vario system, and a locking 1/4” insert bit holder, in case you need a wider tip bit like a wide flat head, or want to use deep 1/4” sockets

Wiha used to offer a 1/4” socket blade for the older undimpled System 6, but ghey may have discontinued it, at least in the USA, when they switched to the dimpled blades.
Wiha also manufactures a 1/4” drive, non locking, magnetic, insert bit holder, which is dently skinny, and they have nice blade extenders in case you occasionally need a really long screwdriver.
Wera I believe also offers blade extenders, but I’m not sure the design is as good.

There were other European manufacturers that used the 6mm blade system.
I believe Schroeder/Schroder the company known fir manufacturing Ratcheting screwdrivers or at least the mechanism, for some major German tool manufacturers, as well as “Yankee” screwdrivers( they bought the Yankee trademark from Stanley) also may manufacture a 6mm system, but I’m not certain.
USAG tools of Italy used to manufacture a 6mm system, but changed over to a 1/4” system.


Wiha also manufactures a 4mm hex shank drive system which they call the “System 4”.
If you need small “jewelers” size screwdrivers but still the occasional medium sive bit, this might be good, since a number of manufacturers seem to have decided to use the 4mm hex size for smaller interchangeable bits.
 

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I have the same issue. 99% of these ratcheting screwdrivers have short 1/4" bits. The socket they insert into is too fat for getting into recessed or tight areas. Then the bits themselves can get stuck to a dirty/rusty screw slot and then the magnet lets go.

I'd love to find a universal 4-6" non security bit set spanning all common tip types from a quality manufacturer and marry it to the ratcheting screwdriver handle of my choice. (probably a stubby with a locking style chuck)
 

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This is my attempt at the same thing. I got the bits wherever, added a bunch o' handles and extensions and voila ! It suits my uses.
 

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I bought one of these Wera sets and found it to be so handy that I ended up buying another so now I have both metric and standard. If your working on something around the house (other than wrenching on a car or something) one of these sets can practically handle just about anything

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Thing is, I'm just not seeing a lot of support here? This Wera set is on the right track, but only 89mm and not exactly a buffet-o-bits. https://www.kctoolco.com/wera-057482-kraftform-kompakt-turbo-set-18-pieces/



I'd love to find a universal 4-6" non security bit set spanning all common tip types from a quality manufacturer and marry it to the ratcheting screwdriver handle of my choice. (probably a stubby with a locking style chuck)


Wera KK62. There is some wobble with the longer bits, but it works.

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You’ll probably want to add some square and slotted bits. I did (slotted from Wiha because they had smaller sizes).

As shown above Turbo handle does NOT fit in the case. Handle size comparison:

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Wiha System 6/Drive-Loc 6 is fine as well. I like the Dynamic collet handle, though it’s probably even better if you drill it out to fit the bit deeper. (I haven’t.) If you get it add the 1/4” bit adapter so you’re not caught out with proprietary blades.

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Wiha makes a bunch of longer bits in phillips, straight, hex, lots of stuff, up to about 150mm for reasonable cost. I like to pair them with the Felo Smart Handle. PB Swiss also makes longer 1/4 drive blades in most of their sizes but I haven't tried those yet.
 

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Here’s some of my Wera stuff

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Just took a few pictures of the set that I carry in my track bag. This let's me just have a single #2 and a single flat blade in the bag. Keeps things much more organized while still making sure I have bits for about everything.
 

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Go to Amazon and search Xcelite 99 series. See if that fits your needs.


The Xcelite rolls were universally used in back in the olden days when electronics equipment and systems had shafts and gears, lots of mechanisms. They included long reach extensions, hex, spline (Bristol), various handle styles and every size of driver tip. May still be of use, don't know if the modern bit types have been added to these sets.
 
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Resident Xcelite hoarder here. Xcelite 99's come in Hex/Allen (metric and SAE, straight and ball-tip). They come in robertson/scrulox, torx, tamper-proof torx, clutch, slotted, philips, pozidrive, SAE/Metric nut drivers, bristol 4/6 spline and more. There's probably at least 15 handle styles too. T-handles, stubby, ergo, ratchet, etc.

My only gripe is that they don't make a bit longer than about 6". They have extensions that you can stack on for endless length, but the extension joint is bulky, so it still can only go about 6" down a hole.

The only picture I have handy is an old lot of Xcelite 99's that I sold a while back. I have more now, just no pics, lol. The ones on the right of the picture are similar to the 99's, but they are a different series that use different bits:

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Title made me think of those brass screwdrivers that were nested inside each other, then inside a small hammer.
 

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I have two and added the Wera ratcheting driver to one set, it's tight but it does fit in the case. I remove the 10 lesser used security bits for the Wiha SAE hex and then store those 10 security bits I took out in a little pouch. This setup gives me Phillips, (one) slotted, pozi, (security) hex metric, (security) hex SAE, torx and spanner in the palm of my hand. They also hold up fine using in a drill/driver. 89mm is 3.5" so it feels virtually the same as using a normal PH2-sized screwdriver.
 
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Thanks guys! I hadn't heard of the Xcelite stuff before. BMack, I may end up doing that Wera set. Do you use anything to adapt it for universal off-the-shelf bits, if needed?
 
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Thanks guys! I hadn't heard of the Xcelite stuff before. BMack, I may end up doing that Wera set. Do you use anything to adapt it for universal off-the-shelf bits, if needed?

Tangent: I finally bit the bullet and bought a full set of Felo wood handles and offsets, and some Vessel Impactas. My first ever order of non-Apex hand tools! Pretty excited about that.

ZRX61, the reference is for Nissan Z cars, but I am crazy about RD350s.

The bits are all universal 1/4" bits and the handle will hold the standard 1" long bits too. Wiha also has a slotted bit set if you want more slotted in the case
 

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Holey moley that extra long set of double sided bits is awesome! :rocker:

Felo do a very similar set.

I got this one because I do some electrical installation work and it’s useful to have one of every driver type somewhere. The interchangeable shank drivers work better than interchangeable bit, if you have to work on recessed terminal screws.

To be honest, the Felo set is a bit bulky, so I tend to carry the Wera set instead now. It’s the stainless version of the set shown by JBH. It consists of is a 1/4” hex bit driver with some long hex bits for power tools. It’s a combo that works well, and Wera do this stuff really nicely.

The Wera set, my 150mm Knipex Cobra’s, and a folding Silky saw are my “get out of trouble” tools when I’m on electrical work! (Probably my Fein Multimaster too, if truth be told)!
 

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I wouldnt want all the parts. I use a screwdriver a dozen times a day, the kit would be a mess. Something like that is for the trunk for the specialty bits.
 

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I have two and added the Wera ratcheting driver to one set, it's tight but it does fit in the case. I remove the 10 lesser used security bits for the Wiha SAE hex and then store those 10 security bits I took out in a little pouch. This setup gives me Phillips, (one) slotted, pozi, (security) hex metric, (security) hex SAE, torx and spanner in the palm of my hand. They also hold up fine using in a drill/driver. 89mm is 3.5" so it feels virtually the same as using a normal PH2-sized screwdriver.

This looks almost perfect for me, but I have no use for the security bits. Do they sell the hexes in normal, non-security type?
 

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This is the set I keep in my truck. It’s basically a Wera Kraftform Kompact kit, but with a Snap-On Instinct handle that I like much better.

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Still shopping, moving on to 1" bits. The question I'm having is whether there's a perceptible difference in quality between the standard Wihas/Weras/Felos and, say, the Tekton Everybit set?

Any other directions you would recommend? I'm going cross-eyed shopping the premium brands by individual bit because their sets are so incomplete or duplicative. The Everybit set looks satisfactory except it includes a ton of things I don't need (I'll buy precision separately, don't need the handle, don't need off-the-wall bits like TriStar. Just looking for wide ranges without duplicates in PH/PZ/slotted/square/TX/TXs/hex).
 
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This looks almost perfect for me, but I have no use for the security bits. Do they sell the hexes in normal, non-security type?

Here are the part numbers for Wera.

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Hex 5059628001 2,0 89 3 1/2" 4,0
Hex 5059629001 2,5 89 3 1/2" 4,0
Hex 5059630001 3,0 89 3 1/2" 4,0
Hex 5059631001 4,0 89 3 1/2" 5,0
Hex 5059632001 5,0 89 3 1/2" 6,0
Hex 5059633001 6,0 89 3 1/2" -
Hex 5059660001 5/64" 89 3 1/2" 3,0
Hex 5059661001 3/32" 89 3 1/2" 3,5
Hex 5059662001 7/64" 89 3 1/2" 4,0
Hex 5059663001 1/8" 89 3 1/2" 4,0
Hex 5059664001 9/64" 89 3 1/2" 4,5
Hex 5059665001 5/32" 89 3 1/2" 5,0
Hex 5059666001 3/16" 89 3 1/2" 6,0
Hex 5059667001 7/32" 89 3 1/2" -
Hex 5059668001 1/4" 89 3 1/2" -
 

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This looks almost perfect for me, but I have no use for the security bits. Do they sell the hexes in normal, non-security type?


Why not just use the “security” ones until they wear out, and then get solid ones?
 

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I realize this isn't as **** or novel but I've found the best way to go is just with a bit driver. There are many types out there. If you need the speciality security bits, or unusual ones, the Wiha 26 in 1 is a decent choice. Otherwise your bog standard from whatever USA (or even asian) 6 in 1 multi driver (examples like Megapro, Picquic, Wera etc). Its 1 handle, all your bits, no tool roll to unroll and fuss with, and they work.

As I mentioned I have both the PB Swiss blade/handle system and all the handles go loose. The ESD style handle has been the worst, but the regular ones initially fit snug, and after a few screws, get a nice back and forth wiggle to them. Its not unusable but its not the quality one expects from the premium swiss screwdriver manufacturer either. The Wiha Drive Loc system is the one other system I tried, its better than the PB swiss but still not as good as either a regular screwdriver or just a standard 6 in 1 bit driver but it does cost a ton more.

If you want simplicity, cost efficiency, not to want to weep incase you lose a blade or misplace the driver while doing a task, or have to constantly put everything into the tool roll, and then unroll it to use it just buy a multi bit driver of your preference, or buy proper regular handled screwdrivers.

I believe my PB Swiss kit that has a micro driver with 2 double sided blades, and 6 full sized blades with handle cost ~80 dollars at the time, and I've since added several blades at around 8 bucks per blade, and tried 4 different handles to deal with the loose handle issue at about 6-8 bucks a handle. The entire Wiha kit cost me around 60 bucks I believe. The actual multi bit drivers I use and wouldn't be too upset if anything ever happened to them from Wiha and Megapro that I use ran me around 25 and 18 bucks respectively.
 

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I made one out of an old tool box and a piece of thick plastic. Works like a charm.
 

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I was raised on Xcelite Series 99 hand me downs in the 70's so I never got into fixed blade drivers too much. Always thought they were bulky and a waste of space.

I suggest the 1/4" hex standard for the widest selections the bits and drivers. I haven't seen a pre-built kit that is worthwhile so I just use a variety of handles and bits.

For long bit quick release, Malco's are the closest to the firm hold the Xcelite's have, with the Wera's being the worst for wobble in the bit holder. 3" bits are longest I'd use with the Wera's.

Deep recess bit holders are good with long bits, starting from Picquic's to various Japanese handles like Vessel and Anex. I like the Vessel ball grips.
 

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This thread came up while looking for ideas for to-go kits and thought I would show what I have and sounds like something the OP is looking for? The Wera Rocko Vario #832/34; No longer being made but you might be able to find a good used one on eBay. I added a couple of long double ended tips that had fit really well. the whole set was made in germany. The ratchet was awesome, little play in it, very solid but not as fine tooth as todays ratchets. The non ratchet handle with long blades was solid, zero play. You could add a 12" 1/4" (6mm) extender into it for long reach jobs. The metal case was bulky and it wasn't light. The set included a #4 PH and a massive torx's bit hiding under the Wiha bit.

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For smaller work, I bought this week on BF sale a small Felo 4mm precision modular screwdriver kit (Felo 50723). I really like it, the case was too big for my road kit so I used a clear see thru .875" carbide endmill container to hold/protect all the blades and driver, very compact footprint and I have a Wiha 4mm micro bit kit coming that has a 1/4 bit holder that will work with this Felo. I have to admit I've only tested and like the smooth action palm wheel with no drag but I am concerned about the pin vise chuck holder for the blades, it's plastic, the black knurled nut is aluminum but the female hex part is plastic. These are only for small tips so it could hold up fine? it will be cheap and easy to replace if that happens and I also have a Wiha version. The German made hollowed ground tips are nicely finished. I like the ability to adjust the length (long to stubby) and there seems to be lots of options for blades from various companies. My Wiha VarioTorq blades also fit that are longer if needed. Some small hex balls and torx would be nice.

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