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fm2176

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... or you could buy one of Nick's or Mitch's 'ole American vices when they have them up for sale. Just a thought. Bill

I'm new here and have yet to wander around much, but I'll keep this advice in mind. Granted, depending on where I move in the next ten years I may not be in the market for a good one for a while, but like any tool, a good vise is worth the investment and will last for decades.
 
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mama & baby. 3 in post vise is from my Grandad. 2 inch Baby vise is from an estate auction from a vacuum collector - you know - the guy who hoovers up everything in sight. Waiting, waiting and waiting for my blacksmith to deliver a spring for it. Not sure if I like the shiny powder coat my buddy did. Matte might have been better.
 

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Spire

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First Post...

All this talk of cool old vises made me crawl under the house and dig out the Columbian 608 vise I "saved" from the metal bin 20 years ago.

It has a unique feature about it that I haven't seen on any other vise, let alone a Columbian.

Story is, OSHA came through and freaked that our tool room had a HYDRAULIC vise and would not leave until we disposed of it. We "disposed" of it and I snagged it and took it home. From what I can tell, it was converted to hydraulic by some old machinist that worked at the refinery.

Here is a picture of part of it. Notice that it has no place for a handle. The rest (including the foot pump) is at work getting cleaned up. I'll get it put back together and get pics of the whole thing.

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...depending on where I move in the next ten years I may not be in the market for a good one for a while, but like any tool, a good vise is worth the investment and will last for decades.

I look at it this way ... a vice is something you're gonna need your entire life, no matter where you live. So I always think it's better to save a bit more cash until you can buy a vice you want to keep for the rest of your life, as opposed to wasting money on cheap stuff that you know you will replace down the road. My machine shop started out with some "cheap" equipment, and before long I wasn't happy with it and ended up spending (even more) money on the good stuff. In hindsight, it would have been a lot less costly for me just to start with the good stuff. Same with vices IMHO. Cheers, Bill
 

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Here is my latest project,It's a Wilton 3 1/2" jaw Swivel base.I got this for free from my job after someone bent the handle.I broke it all down painted it,straightened the handle and re-greased it,Can't beat a USA made vise for free!!

Looks Great!:thumbup:Not to mention what ya paid...:bounce:
 

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I bet OSHA had a hissy fit when they saw that vise. I remember what happened in a machine shop I worked in when they couldn't find the date code on our hoist slings. Make sure to post up photos on that beast when you get it rocking again.
Craig
 

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Bill, did you ever post up photos of your shop on GJ? Guys, his shop is absolutely unbelievable!! Seeing it would make you drool.
One of these days Nick ... too many distractions pulling me in all directions. I promise I'll get some pics of the shop organized and posted here soon. Cheers, Bill
 

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Spire ... that's incredible. Can you show us a shot or two of the underside of the slide so we can see how it works? I also like the cover over the rear part of the slide to keep **** off it. I may bend up one like that for my Columbian 605. Cheers, Bill
 

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I have to dissasemble it for transport and storage until my garage is built so I will take an exploded view picture or two.

This vise was modified for hydraulics. Although very well done, you can tell that a very impressive machinist/ fabricator created the parts. The ram is most impressive. If you look real careful, there are 4 pins (~7/16" x 8") low on the main body. These pins hold the base of the ram in place.

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I am surprised I just noticed this thread. It's about time I post. I'll just post my main vise, as I have about 6 or so that get used regularly.

Prentiss Vise Co.
New York, USA
No. 22

Swivel base. Uses a tapered pin dropped into holes machined into bottom plate to lock the swivel base, stronger than "clamp-down" style lock. 6" jaws. Opens to a full 12". Handle 17". The rear jaw also has a removable pin and swivels to clamp angled pieces. Weight about 165-170. Estimated DOM 1920's?

Price... Free.

About a year ago I was driving through my part of town early in the morning, 7 or so, and saw a very solid welding table out on the curb side. It's 3 feet tall, the legs made out of 5/16ths by 3" Angle iron with nicely welded joints and feet and a middle shelf (1/4" steel plate) enclosed by 3/16ths diamond plate and a top surface of 3'x2' of 5/8" steel plate, a total weight of at least 450lbs. (it was in great shape with only a nice layer or surface rust). I could only assume it was out there to give away so I immediately pulled my old truck over and jumped out and knocked on the door, but with no answer I wasn't about to leave it on the curbside for some "scrap guys", so I had my younger sister help me roll it up my ramp end-over-end into my truck. I left a note on the door saying I had taken his table assuming it was to get rid of and if he needed it back I lived just a few blocks away so give me a call. Before leaving I noticed an awesome vise (the holes on the base matched up to the holes blown into the welding table surface) on the driveway up by the house, but I would never be crude enough to take something not on the curb side so I looked it over and headed home.

I went back to this house about a week later to thank the gentleman for the table and "casually inquire" about the vise with a couple hundred dollars in pocket to deal with. For some reason I love chatting with older gentlemen, they just all possess a work ethic and wisdom so often lacking in younger generations, but anyway.... I sincerely thanked him and as we chatted I think he took a liking to me and before I even brought up the vise he says "well, I have a vise that used to fit on that table, if you want it. I was just going to drag it into the garage and hang onto it." So I said sure, let's take a look. He helped me load it up (with much struggle on his end) and I proudly headed home. Since then I've stopped by whenever I see him out and about to chat and found out a little more story behind the pair. The gentleman is about 70 and the vise was bought new by his grandfather for use in their farm implement shop in Wisconsin, as the years went on his father moved out to California and took a job with Douglas Aircraft, this is where the welding table came from. When the grandfather passed away this gentleman and his brother dragged the vise back from Wisconsin and their father mounted it onto this table. He has no sons or grandsons and neither does his brother so he was delighted to see it go to someone so excited about it.

The pin for the swivel base was seized up as well as the swiveling rear jaw. I got the swivel base pin unstuck after much careful heating, lubing, and hammering. I talked to a my grandfather and an old blacksmith in our town about the swivel jaw and neither had seen such a thing and said it wasn't worth the effort to free. But being an Eagle scout, I like to finish projects I start and do them to the best of my ability. So after boring out the lockdown pin for the top jaw (it was a soft metal and very seized on), there was much electrolysis, lubing, heating, and hammering. After probably 3 hours the jaw budged and after about 5 more hours of beating it back and forth came free. So after that it all got sand blasted and disassembled completely for priming and painting. Lubed everything up and reassembled and I couldn't be happier as it is such a useful, impressive, and historic tool. As a side note... the swiveling jaw is very handy. I turned a new pin out of some kovar and the rear jaw locks into place like new.

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(4 1/2 inch Athol Pictured as well)
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For those that have not seen the swiveling rear jaw:
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Steven -

Thanks for sharing a terrific story. I agree it's just cool to chat with our elders and gain insight and wisdom from them. Pretty neat this was bought NEW by his grandfather. Great job restoring it back to 100%. Terrific VISE!

Have you shown this gentleman your resto on the vise?

Again, well done and great to hear about the fellowship....
 

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Thanks for the responses and support guys... surprised many of you spent the time to read the long-winded story, lol. I have brought the restored vise up with him a few times and he is excited to see it but has not had the chance to come by my house yet. I may just kidnap him one of these days.

The vise should be set to last another century.

And I agree that the script and overall look of the vise is really neat.

StevenF.
 

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Steven, great story with a happy ending :D
The big vise is beautiful.
I wonder if some kind of oil would be able to penetrate the rust and free the jaw?
 

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Steven67fr - Very nice vise indeed! I have only seen a 22 in person once and only a couple of times on the web. If you would do me the favor of posting a photo of the swivel base hold down pin. Prentiss had 2 different kinds of pins and neither seems to be a joy to use without steroid use. Here is a link to a Prentiss thread with the two types shown. I am just curious to see which yours has. Prentiss had the knob first and then changed to the lever type.
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101547&highlight=Prentiss

Spire - that hydraulic vise is just insane in the membrane! How can you do better than hydrualic pressure and a huge vise in one package? Good stuff!
Craig
 

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That Prentiss is awesome! Nice story to go along with it as well. The Columbian is also cool. Very creative on someone's part.
 

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damn,this thread is just a fuel on the fire :D ,ok i tomorrow i'm going to dig and find one for myself!!!!
 

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This is definitely a great thread. The jaws on this particular Prentiss are un-seized.

Craig, I am uncertain. Currently it is the "channellock "910 Grip-Loc" handle. Nice and easy to pull up with... though they get in the way occasionally. Here are pics. It could have been either I suppose. I did a little grinding on it to be able to remove it, however I did not touch the length. The way it is splined I would imagine it was the knob. I wonder if Elden (the gentleman I got it from) would remember. Next time I'm over I'll have to ask. While I was in the garage to get the pictures I figured I'd snap a shot of the Prentiss pipe vise I found at a garage sale for $10 and cleaned up to match.

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The guts of the Hydraulic Columbian...

Pins pulled off the block plate on the end of the slide. The hydraulic ram presses on this block.

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The business end with the slide removed. back side of the hydraulic ram. The giant spring sits over the ram and rides on the shoulder on the ram.

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Back side and piston side of the ram.

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How the hydraulic hose hooks to the ram and allows the vise to still rotate. I added the quick disconnect just to keep it from leaking all over the floor.

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Hydraulic ram all nekkid. The best I can figure it is just a solid rod inside a pipe with an oring slot machined in it. There is nothing to keep the piston in the cylinder if it moves too far.

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Underside of the slide showing the spring.

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That's about all there is to it. If anyone wants more detailed pictures of particular area, just let me know.
 

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I bet the OSHA person had to take double nitro tablets when they saw that thing. There aren't enough warning stickers on a dozen chainsaws to cover operation of that beast. LOL Someone did a pretty nifty job making that vise work with fluid pressure. All I can imagine is that slide shooting across the shop and through the wall. Pure magic!

Steven - gorgeous pair of Prentiss products! I had somebody tell me one time that the Prentiss lettering looked like graffiti.....still have to love that old script. I have an old Gipsy vise (rear sliding jaw, exposed screw) that Prentiss made to go along with my model 19 1/2 vise. I wish I had a Parker shotgun to go along with my Parker vise...LOL
Craig
 

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I bet the OSHA person had to take double nitro tablets when they saw that thing. There aren't enough warning stickers on a dozen chainsaws to cover operation of that beast. LOL Someone did a pretty nifty job making that vise work with fluid pressure. All I can imagine is that slide shooting across the shop and through the wall. Pure magic!

Steven - gorgeous pair of Prentiss products! I had somebody tell me one time that the Prentiss lettering looked like graffiti.....still have to love that old script. I have an old Gipsy vise (rear sliding jaw, exposed screw) that Prentiss made to go along with my model 19 1/2 vise. I wish I had a Parker shotgun to go along with my Parker vise...LOL
Craig

I agree... for some reason this vision of a slide and jaw in my neighbors bedroom!

I've become a big fan of the Prentiss designs and lettering. I have seen those gipsy's a few times... neat design for sure... I just have a hard time getting beyond the exposed screw. A Parker shotgun would be an awesome addition to a garage collection!
 

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My vise just finished, sorry no before pics of it's 8 different color rusty self. It's a Wilton 645 other than that I don't know much about it maybe from the 70s?
 

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I picked up this nice little 3" Reed 103R. Anyone know when these were made?

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I still need to finish my Wilton...
 

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Most likely in the 1940s or 1950s.

The squished marshmallow shape replaced the round ball at the end of the screw in the early 1940s. It is when they switched to a stronger steel screw. Around the 1960s they changed from your version to the oval shaped Reed logo on the side like this one:
 

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