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If I am ever down in Florida I feel like I'd have to stop by your shop to truly appreciate it. Even though the pictures are awesome, I feel like just photos can't do it justice.

And hey, then we can swing by Wingnut's place and cause some trouble;)

You are welcome to stop by the Asylum anytime Red Leader. Yes, after seeing it in person, that is the general comment I get from people. I guess that reflects on my photography skills (or lack of). When this place is done, I might consider bringing a photographer in for a photo session before I mess it all up with the vehicle projects :)

You would be more than welcome in Florida to hit a few GJ shops.

I see a Florida Garage Tour in the future :). It would be great to meet some of you fine folks in person.
 
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I did the side by side concrete stain test this weekend and Mrs. Flybefree chose your red/brown color for our shop...next thing she will want to hang some checkered flags on the ceiling!

WRT the great garages tour...Sun n Fun is in March...

Shaun
 
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I did the side by side concrete stain test this weekend and Mrs. Flybefree chose your red/brown color for our shop...next thing she will want to hang some checkered flags on the ceiling!

WRT the great garages tour...Sun n Fun is in March...

Shaun
That color was a no-brainer for us. Of course, the company that supplied our stain only had 8 different colors to choose from at the time so the decision was pretty easy. Sometimes too many choices is not a good thing.

Ceiling flag - does she have a sewing machine and a little time on her hands? Piece of cake.

Sun-n-Fun - that's near Lakeland, right? March would be great for a FL visit. Would you plan a trip down in that crazy flying machine? Sounds fun to me!
 
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WITH THE SOUTH WALL DONE, IT’S TIME TO UPDATE THE TASK LIST...

After some much needed R&R during a trip back home (WI), it’s time to hit it hard again. The south wall is done, so focus now will be on the north side of the main bay and wiring the front of the shop. At this milestone, I decided to update the Task List so you all can see what I’ve done so far and what is left to do.

BTW, I also updated the Index at the beginning of this thread.

Link to prior Task List (reply#545)
Link to next Task List (Reply#912)

ASYLUM Task List:

Crane
* STARTED Install cable carrier system for power cabling to hoist
* STARTED Install hoist-mounted spotlight (controlled with wall switch)
* Install crane-mounted power cable reel (???)
* Final leveling of crane beam

Front Main Bay (24x26’ area)
* **DONE** Rough framing for new clerestory windows (DONE north) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Rough framing for new fluorescent fixtures (DONE north) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Rough framing for ceiling vinyl (DONE north) (DONE south)
* Rough framing at ceiling peak
* **DONE** Replace clerestory fiberglass panels with 4X sliding windows (DONE north) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Add mounts for ceiling flag (DONE north) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Framing for speakers (DONE north) (DONE south)
* Framing for vinyl trim (north) (DONE south)
* NOT NEEDED Run Coax and Cat5 cable across south wall (Run in lower duct-way later)
* **DONE** Run speaker wire across south wall
* Run air lines and switch wire to window openers (north) (DONE south)
* Install final large diameter air line loop around main bay (north) (DONE south) (side bay)
* Add air line drops for auto lift and hose reels
* Insulate wall (north) (DONE south)
* Install wall vinyl (north) (DONE south)
* Install window jamb vinyl (north) (DONE south)
* Install window openers (north) (DONE south)
* Insulate ceiling (north) (south)
* Install ceiling vinyl (north) (south)
* Install 4X fluorescent fixtures (north) (DONE south)
* Install stereo speakers (north shop A/V) (DONE south apartment A/V)
* Cover up roof rafters
* Design/Build center suspended light fixture
* Build south wall shallow storage cabinet

Front Storage Loft
* Add light-duty hoist system at ceiling peak to access loft.
* **DONE** Build temporary shelf above door drums (for library ladder attachment)
* Extend front exterior fascia down
* Cut hole in wall above 12’ high doors
* Rough framing for floor to replace temporary shelf
* Install insulation in exterior ceiling
* Install exterior ceiling vinyl
* Install 4X fluorescent fixtures in exterior ceiling
* Insulate loft ceiling
* Install loft ceiling panels
* Install 4X fluorescent fixtures inside loft
* Rough framing for door drum valance (hides drums)
* Rough framing for fluorescent fixtures below door drums
* Install vinyl on door drum valance
* Install 4X fluorescent fixtures in bottom of door drum valance
* Dismantle scaffold

Library Ladder
* **DONE** Paint brackets/hangers
* **DONE** Install L-Brackets inside walls (DONE north) (DONE front) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Install hangers (DONE north) (DONE front) (DONE south)
* **DONE** Bend and test fit rail sections
* STARTED Build ladder trolley and try on rail system
* Remove rails and paint them yellow
* Re-install rail
* Modify ladder to store in retracted position

Electrical
* Rearrange circuit breakers in main panel
* Route final wiring to main bay lights (8X) (north) (DONE south)
* Add “WEST WALL” GFI circuit for front wall outlets
* Add “MAIN LTS#2” light circuit for front fluorescent fixtures (4X) and front storage loft fluorescent fixtures (4X). Add switch for storage loft.
 
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Great list.

What's amazing isn't that you have a detailed check list to get everything done, but its that you have every detail so thought out that it made it ON the list. With my project, I usually see something on another post and think, "Hey, that would work for me", and then I do it. Some like painting my garage door hardware 'black', were spontaneous. Other ideas are planned and on a list.

But first I have to find out where I put that list!
 

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I have a chalk board in the shop. I make list to do..and cross them off as I go. when done.I make other list..always something on the board to do.
 
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BACK TO THE NORTH WALL IN THE MAIN BAY...

So work now moves back to the north wall where the new windows were installed last spring. The first step during this work session was actually a step backwards by taking down the library ladder rail sections for painting. Once that was out of the way, I finished the framing to support the vinyl trim. Lastly, the openings in the wall leading to the soffits were sealed off in preparation for the insulation to be installed.

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The other thing I did was install a couple runs of 3/4” air line in the ceiling for the main compressor loop. Forgot to take any pictures however, but I need to get some before the wall is finished off for future reference.

ALL EIGHT WINDOW ACTUATORS ARE NOW FUNCTIONAL…

On the second day of this work session, it looked like getting the remaining 4 window actuators working was within reach, so that became my mission before heading home. The first step was prepping the actuators with brackets and fittings.

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Next was mounting them up by the windows and running all the air line and proximity switch wires for the LED indicators. I hesitated to install the actuators because they just had to be removed again when the window jambs were finished off, but I quickly realized there was no other simple way to test the system (for leaks or open circuits inside the wall) without them there, so up they went.

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The following picture shows a bit more detail on the switch wires. The red arrow points to the little proximity switch that can slide in a track extruded into the actuator body. There are two of these installed on each actuator. The head of the arrow is pointing directly at an LED built into the switch, which comes in handy for adjusting its location up on the scaffold away from the control panel. The blue arrow is pointing to the connector (in this case, telephone type) that both the “extend” and “retract” sensor cables plug into. The telephone cable runs down to the switch panel.

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After I got it all hooked up, I had to do a bit of troubleshooting to track down a broken wire on the control panel (set me back 30 minutes). With that behind me, the window actuators worked just like the other 4 on the south wall. Here are shots of the control panel with all windows closed (green LEDs) and all opened (red LEDs). Don’t mind the rat’s nest of wires back there - that will all be cleaned up when the panel is mounted in its final spot.

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Now I'm being Picky... Shouldn't the LED lights be the opposite? Green for open and red for closed?

As always, amazed by the Asylum and the work you do.
 

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You are welcome to stop by the Asylum anytime Red Leader. Yes, after seeing it in person, that is the general comment I get from people. I guess that reflects on my photography skills (or lack of). When this place is done, I might consider bringing a photographer in for a photo session before I mess it all up with the vehicle projects :)



I see a Florida Garage Tour in the future :). It would be great to meet some of you fine folks in person.

Thanks for the kind invitation. I'm sure it would provide a whole new level of inspiration to see some of the 'Top 1%' of garages on here in person. On the way back from Florida, I might have to make sure to get a layover in CA...you know, where screenwriters usually hang out;)

-Dave
 

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Now I'm being Picky... Shouldn't the LED lights be the opposite? Green for open and red for closed?

As always, amazed by the Asylum and the work you do.

I believe the idea is red for windows open (Hey idiot, don't forget to close the windows!), and green for closed (OK, you can go now, everything is closed up tight!)
At least, that's the way I read it. BTW, Shopnut, in no way I am trying to indicate that you are an idiot with that example! :lol_hitti
I'm with the Breeze, always amazed! :bowdown:
 

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Must be a southern thing...:lol_hitti

Around here when things are closed ( bank drive throughs, tunnel entrances, toll booths etc. etc. etc. ) they usually have a red light. If they are open they are green.
 
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Great list.

What's amazing isn't that you have a detailed check list to get everything done, but its that you have every detail so thought out that it made it ON the list. With my project, I usually see something on another post and think, "Hey, that would work for me", and then I do it. Some like painting my garage door hardware 'black', were spontaneous. Other ideas are planned and on a list.

But first I have to find out where I put that list!

I would be lost without my "lists". I'm afraid I will need to add "eat", "breathe", and "sleep" to them shortly or I will forget to do that too. :lol:

I have a chalk board in the shop. I make list to do..and cross them off as I go. when done.I make other list..always something on the board to do.

I do most of my planning when I'm away from the Asylum, so a digital "To Do" list works pretty good for me. I think my 3x4' whiteboard would have to be enlarged to something like 4x8' if I started using it for that, and I didn't even start working onthe vehicles yet.

Maybe I just have to many projects :dunno:

Thanks for the kind invitation. I'm sure it would provide a whole new level of inspiration to see some of the 'Top 1%' of garages on here in person. On the way back from Florida, I might have to make sure to get a layover in CA...you know, where screenwriters usually hang out;)

-Dave

CA - Now that would be the LONG way home (recalling a mention of CO being home) , but probably well worth it. :thumbup:
 
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Now I'm being Picky... Shouldn't the LED lights be the opposite? Green for open and red for closed?

As always, amazed by the Asylum and the work you do.

I believe the idea is red for windows open (Hey idiot, don't forget to close the windows!), and green for closed (OK, you can go now, everything is closed up tight!)
At least, that's the way I read it. BTW, Shopnut, in no way I am trying to indicate that you are an idiot with that example! :lol_hitti
I'm with the Breeze, always amazed! :bowdown:

Must be a southern thing...:lol_hitti

Around here when things are closed ( bank drive throughs, tunnel entrances, toll booths etc. etc. etc. ) they usually have a red light. If they are open they are green.

There are definitely two ways to look at it. Breeze - I didn't even think of those things.

Maybe it's my twisted mind, but I wanted GREEN to signify that the windows were closed up and ready for a storm or for me leaving that day (like foxxtrot said). RED would be a reminder that something needed to be done eventually, and if it wasn't, there could be problems. Initially, I thought having the green ones would be sufficient and I wouldn't really care if the window was fully opened or not. But after having the red too, I think it works pretty good to have both.

The things that influenced my decision were a red "door ajar" light on your car dash. Or red indicator lights on a home security system letting you know a door/window is open and a green light to let you know its ready to arm the system.

And foxxtrot - we may have read my mind on this, but after calling me an IDIOT, its "NO SOUP FOR YOU" (silly Seinfeld show SOUP NAZI reference) :) -- (Just kidding of course!)

Thanks for the the comments guys.
 

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Shopnut...I need to do the same thing...get a detailed list together. Did you just lay out exactly what you wanted the end product to look like and then just started breaking it into smaller projects?

Shaun
 
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Shopnut...I need to do the same thing...get a detailed list together. Did you just lay out exactly what you wanted the end product to look like and then just started breaking it into smaller projects?

Shaun
I've had a detailed vision of what this place would look like in my head since before it was built and I kept informal task lists since the beginning. It was finally 2009 when I started sharing it with the GJ audience. The details were influenced by what materials were readily available and within my price range, so there where adjustments along the way. Sometimes you stumble on good deals and you have to adapt.

If you go back to the earlier task lists (I'm on the 5th update now), you will notice areas of the Asylum have come and gone from the list as I work my way around this place (like the office and stairway). The list can be somewhat intimidating at times, but it keeps me focused.

So the anwser is YES to both of your questions. For a project to be successful, you first need a final goal. After that, the project needs to be broken down in to smaller tasks that can be tackled one by one. Of course, most tasks are dependent on some others being accomplished first so putting the steps in a rough order is essential if you want to keep the project moving along efficiently.

Before anyone takes any of my advice, however, please note I've been slaving away on this place for 6 years. So you decide if it's advice worth taking. :rolleyes:
 

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Point taken! I am still mulling over my next steps...and time appears to be the critical path for me interestingly enough. Since I am planning on changing careers I want my project "completed" prior to that time...adding the office/guest room really expanded the project beyond what I had initially envisioned.
 
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LOL! Thats okay, Shopnut. You're the one that has to deal with it. ( but if I ever come to visit, I'll think the red lights mean there closed ) hahaha You do know, that since I put this in your head, You're gonna have to stop and think about what light means what now. I can make you a little sign to put above each set of LED's that say open and closed. Anyways, it still is ubber cool!
 
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Now, if we were all color-blind, we wouldn’t be having this LED color discussion :).
A fading color as the window opened would be a really cool affect, but gosh, I already spent way too much time on this when I have so many other things left to do.

Breeze, if you’re going to make labels for the LEDs, the plan is already laid out for you - have at it: Post#591 :D. I suppose after looking at that, however, you will next be complaining about the rocker switch movements being bass-ackward with Up for Open and Down for Close :sad:. What can I say - I just do what feels right to me. :dunno:

BTW, a nasty C.P.O.A.F.R.R. (see post #580 for definition) came again the other day and it was great to be able to just hit the switches to close up the windows fast. The power windows have moved from a novelty item to actually being functional.
 

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The only bad thing was that none of this work was in my project list so I don’t get to check ANYTHING off for all my hard work :([/QUOTE]

The trick with lists is to put a few things on there that you've already done so that you will at least have something to check off:).

I'm on page 20 something so I'm almost there! Been biting it off about 5 pages at a time over a few days. Absolutely stunning place!
 
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Hey TB-66 - you're the guy getting all those freebie power tools, aren't you? Free stuff is always good. You're doing a great job at painting and matching up all the cabinetry and such. It looks really good.

Sometimes you have to cheat on those lists a little to make you feel better :)

Through 20+ pages so far. That should put you around finishing off the stairway or so. I made some pretty good headway on the main bay since then and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!

Thanks for your comments and for "stopping by".
 

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Question, if I might?
Sorry if it was asked before, but I have not read every line in this great thread.
I am trying to figure out for myself what to finish off the interior of my shop and have considered the white vinyl. I am surprised and pleased to see that you have done this!
Having worked with vinyl in the past, my main gripe is it seems to get static charged quite easily and I don't want the interior walls and ceiling of my entire shop attracting dirt and dust.

Any concerns from what you have seen?

Thanks.
 
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Questions are always welcomed here DZL JIM!

For starters, the index in the the first 3 posts of this thread should point you to all/most discussions about the vinyl siding if you want to read more. Look for "Vinyl Interior Siding" in the list for reply numbers.

To answer your question - No, the vinyl doesn't seem to build up a charge and collect dust. Consider, however, the Asylum is in a humid state and rarely is static electricity an issue. YMMV in Ohio. I remember shocking the heck out my brother and sisters with the old finger zap when we were growing up in WI (especially in wintertime).

Some of the vinyl has been up now for five years and I still haven't felt the urge to clean it because it looks fine yet. I was careful to install it with the grooves vertical so dust would not settle on them. I also do most of my wood cutting outside so the inside dust is kept to a minimum. I've mentioned this before, but I've also noticed the spider web activity is greatly reduced on the vinyl surfaces too compared to the wood surfaces.

When cleaning time eventually does come, I think a dust mop is going to be adequate (based on the minor spot cleaning I have done in the past) mainly to get webs and a thin layer of dust.

I run the exhaust fan if I have vehicles running inside to make sure the soot is carried out asap and doesn't have a chance to accumulate. (And to protect my lungs!) I'm guessing soot buildup would make cleaning much harder.

I have heard people make comments about flammability in other threads so that is something you may want to consider for the things you plan to do.

One last comment. Note that my vinyl is all placed only above the 10 feet mark in my shop. I didn't want it low on the walls because its harder to attach things and deal with outlets and such. I am extremely happy with it for the upper walls and ceiling. I like the fact that it can be installed by one person and that access can be gained behind it in the walls if needed later on.
 
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THE ENTIRE LIBRARY LADDER RAIL IS NOW PAINTED…

Five more sections of rail are ready to hang back up as soon as I get the wall finished. There was a lot of rust removal to do on these 1930’s steel parts in preparation for the final paint and I’m glad it’s behind me.

Here are a couple of shots after the primer coat and the first yellow coat. I didn’t get a shot after the second coat of yellow because a storm was on the way and I needed to get them moved inside quickly from my “open air” paint booth.

If you look closely, you will see small white strips of plastic that were used as standoffs to keep the rails from sitting directly on the lumber rack. Since I had to flip the rails over and paint the other side within a couple hours, it kept the paint from sticking to whatever they are resting on. Those little scraps from the vinyl siding job have proven useful for a number of things.

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One more task completed was pulling wires from the main panel to the front of the building for the wall outlets and new lighting fixtures in the front of the shop. Pulling wires may sound fairly easy but it took quite a bit of time because it was mainly done up on the scaffold. MC wire followed wiring ducts running through the side lofts. These ducts form the main backbone of most circuits in the shop and branch lines feed out from there.

Lighting wires were also daisy-chained between the soon-to-be-installed fixtures above the clerestory windows. Permanent lighting in the front area of the main bay will then be doubled after these are hooked up. But there is still plenty more to come in the lighting department - I’m updating the final plan in CAD this week and will share it with you shortly.

Next will be insulation, wall trim, vinyl siding, and window trim.
 
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I made it! I made it! Read the whole thread. Your attention to detail is mind-numbing. I'm on about year 8 on my humble project. I don't know how many times I've said "it'll be done next year".

You are like a mad scientist:bowdown:
 
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I made it! I made it! Read the whole thread.
tinbender66 after reading whole thread = :willy_nil
You do know that you will need psychiatric help now, don't you? I'm so sorry.

You are like a mad scientist:bowdown:
HEY! - Maybe that's why the "Asylum" name just popped in my head :)
"Mad Scientist" - I like that better than what Mrs. Shopnut has been calling me lately - "Garage Geek". Now that really hurts!

Thanks again TB-66
 

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I made it! I made it! Read the whole thread. Your attention to detail is mind-numbing. I'm on about year 8 on my humble project. I don't know how many times I've said "it'll be done next year".

You are like a mad scientist:bowdown:

I have yet to read this whole thread, but I should, and soon. I don't think I'll come out different though - I became crazy as soon as I joined GJ:lol:

Shopnut, looking fantastic as always. The sliding library ladder will be an awesome addition to your stead.
 
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I have yet to read this whole thread, but I should, and soon. I don't think I'll come out different though - I became crazy as soon as I joined GJ:lol:

Shopnut, looking fantastic as always. The sliding library ladder will be an awesome addition to your stead.
Take your time RL, the thread isn't going anywhere (unless Ryan knows something I don't :wtf:)

Thanks - I've just started on the ladder attachment bracket and when I get it a bit further along, I will share with the group.
 
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For those that celebrate it, I hope everyone enjoyed their long Labor Day weekend.

MORE INSULATION AND VINYL TRIM IN THE MAIN BAY…


With everything done inside the north wall of the main bay, it was time for insulation. As with the south side, I planned it so the job could be done right before I hit the shower for the evening. It’s best to wash that fiberglass off as soon as possible.

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And then it was on to the vinyl trim. It took about 4 hours to do all that you see in the pictures and I believe fourteen 12’ sections were used.

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There’s nothing stopping me now from having another wall done. :bounce:
 
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Insulation looks great! I agree with your feelings about fiberglass. Its a pain, but it sure works well when it's up. Looks great!

And, thanks for the detail work your doing on my place as well. :beer:
 
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Shopnut...do you use a ladder or do you have some really cool platform gadget that I have forgotten about?

Shaun
Shaun, I was getting ready to describe my scaffold in a 2-part series on the different ladders that I use at the Asylum, but since you asked, I will give you the info now.

SCAFFOLD DETAILS…

Well, I don't know how cool this is, but it sure has been working great for the past 5 years. I took 3 Baker-rack style scaffold sets and stacked them up. I bought 4 outriggers because of the height, but only use 2 of them most of the time since one side is usually up against wall and I’m not worried about tipping in that direction.

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Instead of climbing up the sides (which is not easy to do carrying something), I added an extension ladder to one side. I attached a caster platform to one of the outriggers for the ladder to rest on. There are studs there to keep the ladder feet from sliding off.

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At the top, I got lucky and found some brackets that attached nicely to the scaffold uprights. They were sold at Lowe’s and intended to be used in a pipe-style boat dock framework. Through these, a pipe cantilevers out to hold the ladder.

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Top platform height is 16’. The lowest platform never gets used so it is a staging area for building supplies. I spend so much time up there lately that I’ve added a fan on the top platform. And I’m considering a fridge for up there next :)

So there you have it.
 
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