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i did this for the other thread... if theres a specific tool you want me to do ill do another one.... but overall carlyle looks to be about 40% off what snappy and matco are just from the items that i compared...and obviously cause people get so fired up on here yes the gearwrench price is not msrp its what i found that day on sears

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3/8 90 tooth $66 bucks
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3/8 80 tooth $98
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3/8 matco 88 tooth $102
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3/8 gearwrench (will be 84 teeth soon if not already) $46
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okay one more for now 1/2 drive 6 point shallow chrome sockets
10mm thru 19mm no skips $176
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carlyle 10 thru 19 no skips $49.99
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matco i could only find a set that was 10-24mm for $262
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gearwrench 12-24 no skips 13 piece set $36 (again not apples to apples, they may have a matching set but this is just what i found on google quickly)
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Curious to what this thread proves? Did anyone here think that some tools from napa would be more expensive than snap on? Yeah.. I didn't think so. I wonder how snap on tool prices compare to HF prices or Carlyle to HF? Maybe Carlyle to Snap on Blue Point would have yielded some interesting conversations.


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There's been some talk about the high prices of Carlyle Tools from NAPA. Well, in comparison to Snap-on, they're a bargain. :D
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Well to Be Fair.. Most of the "High Price" Chatter in regards to Carlyle tools is in regards to them being from China/Taiwan, For the Most part Americans Associate Import products as being Cheaper (There are Exceptions), Especially in the Tool World. I think it will be a Tough Sell Personally.. Btw before everyone goes and gets there britches in a bunch, My comments in NO way, Shape or Form are insinuating these are Crappy Tools. The Facts, They are Imports and they are Priced Moderately Higher than Most Import tools. Hell.. I Dunno, They may take off like Wildfire.. Ive Seen these threads before in the Past, Does "Duralast" Ring a Bell, Yeah they where the Hottest thing on the Block, then they switched up there Tool line and they fizzled out about as quick as they showed up.
 
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yeah i think carlyle focus is professionals and competing on price..since they are probably in the shops a few times a week at the very least and can offer warranty service right to the location And be about 50 percent off the truck tool rate sounds like a good deal if i was a professional.

its an easy "upsell" to a place of business there already entrenched in.... kinda like"would you like that supersized" you get at the drive thru...its an easy 50 cents
 
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NAPA will still be taking a big risk and has a high chance of failure.

ie NAPA is a big player but it is at a different level than before. In the areas we work in it used to be NAPA had more delivery vehicles, now they are on the low end and used more if we cannot find it or for machining work. Let me say other areas may be different or your business may be different but this is what we commonly see as we move into new areas.

Second is who buys the tools. The user owning them is the most common method. In that arena peer pressure and credit can be deciding factors. Look at the rent to own model. Prices stupidly high but they stay very busy. Have actually bought a couple items at one for cash it was amazing to see a discount that brought the price below the regular stores. I also saw their price they still made money.

As a business we can work on POs and settling up at the end of the month, that is different than increasing debt on a credit card or similar account, it is the old 30 days same as cash. For an individual that is frequently not a choice. So the small business owner might do this for tools but will the employees. Right now just like previously we will stick with our current suppliers. Walk ins are just the icing on the cake so if this group buys or not will not make or break them.

Also looking at the prices which are usually lower to intro products and comparing them to other vendors like New Holland, CaseIH etc we are seeing what the true cost of sales for the quality import is and it is getting very high compared to the past and will continue to go up. Many vendors abroad are complaining of no profit margin on current contracts.
 
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You can't compare truck prices to a non truck brand. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Truck prices are more about service. Things like truck to you shopping, weekly payments so you earn with your new tools while paying them off are two key factors built into the price of truck brand tools.

Besides you can always find cheaper tools.

Napa can market these tools to the thousands of independent shops they service. Many of those shops don't have tool trucks that regularly visit them. NAPA doesn't market much to consumers. They're looking at the independent shop market mostly.:beer:
 
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Fedwrench said:
You can't compare truck prices to a non truck brand. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Truck prices are more about service. Things like truck to you shopping, weekly payments so you earn with your new tools while paying them off are two key factors built into the price of truck brand tools.

Besides you can always find cheaper tools.

Napa can market these tools to the thousands of independent shops they service. Many of those shops don't have tool trucks that regularly visit them. NAPA doesn't market much to consumers. They're looking at the independent shop market mostly.:beer:
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Yep.

They've already got the network of shops they run parts for, and many of these shops don't have tool trucks stopping. This was a pretty logical step imo.

That said, the pricing IS slightly higher than i was expecting considering the buzz that's been going around for the last 6 months, but it's still quite a bit less than the truck brands they've taken aim at.

The risk might seem high on the surface for sure. But they're going in hard with this. They ordered over $17,000,000 worth of product for the July 1st launch alone, with another wave coming January 1st as they round out their catalog. This has been in the works for a LONG time, they didn't just decide one day "HEY!! Let's stop selling rebranded Gearwrench stuff and sell new stuff!"
 
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They are priced high just so when they offer a big discount it will seem like a bargain.
They will never be highly coveted like some snap-on type tools, and they will never have the strong resale market that snap-on has.
 
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They are priced high just so when they offer a big discount it will seem like a bargain.
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I don't agree. Mostly because i don't agree that they're priced "high" in the first place.


They will never be highly coveted like some snap-on type tools, and they will never have the strong resale market that snap-on has.
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This, i agree with. We must both have purchased the same brand of crystal ball. :lol:
 
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They are priced high just so when they offer a big discount it will seem like a bargain.
They will never be highly coveted like some snap-on type tools, and they will never have the strong resale market that snap-on has.
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I don't think that's not the intent , at least not for me. To me Carlyle is another choice or option. Carlyle has a few things like 90 tooth ratchets, stubby wrenches in larger sizes, a wider range of wrench sizes, etc.

In the past NAPA professional were modified Danaher made tools that came off of KD and Armstrong lines. Most recently NAPA professional hand tools were Gearwrench clones. I think NAPA having their own line is a good thing for tool users such as independent shop techs. It's not about replacing the truck brands. I think it's more about having another choice at possibly cheaper prices which with flagable hours down, might be a good thing.
I also think you hit NAPA's pricing philosophy on the head. Once the line is out, I'm sure we'll see sales in their real deals flyers. I doubt you'll see the type of sales Gearwrench used through Sears to flood the market at half off pricing but, deals will come.
I must say though, I have never seen so many threads arguing about everything from pricing, to part numbers over the debut of a new tool line.:wtf:
 
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Changes in the tool manufacturing world are coming at dizzying speed. For a long time, NAPA sold New Britain hand tools, which were of first class quality. Then they came out with a cheaper line, Sparta, which was also made by new Britain, just not a nice finish. There was some change in the ratchets, I have both but haven't taken them apart to look for diffferences.

As of a few months ago, they had an upper line of tools made by Danaher. The 3/8 ratchet appearantly has the same guts as the Craftsman, but the finish is much nicer with quality machinig where the Craftsman(and Kobalt) was bead blasted. The action feels better too, I have one.

Now they are coming out with this Carlyle. Is that also connected with Danaher, or is Danaher out of the picture now?

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KEH said:
Changes in the tool manufacturing world are coming at dizzying speed. For a long time, NAPA sold New Britain hand tools, which were of first class quality. Then they came out with a cheaper line, Sparta, which was also made by new Britain, just not a nice finish. There was some change in the ratchets, I have both but haven't taken them apart to look for diffferences.

As of a few months ago, they had an upper line of tools made by Danaher. The 3/8 ratchet appearantly has the same guts as the Craftsman, but the finish is much nicer with quality machinig where the Craftsman(and Kobalt) was bead blasted. The action feels better too, I have one.
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The previous upper line of tools was rebranded KD/Gearwrench stuff. I have quite a lot of it.

Now they are coming out with this Carlyle. Is that also connected with Danaher, or is Danaher out of the picture now?

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No Danaher, no rebadges. :)
 
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I had a nice chat with the napa guys about there Carlyle stuff yesterday...

they claimed that they were going to start moving there Carlyle production to America... I think they were full of it...

I promised the guy that id buy that 100 tooth flex head 3/8 ratchet for $59 when they got them in that said "made in USA" on them... told him to notify me when they came in and he agreed..

I had to get my hands on a 17mm allen wrench... that's why I went in there, not possible to find one made in usa, I tried.

I told the guys how/why I just needed a piece of 17mm hardened allen stock anyway and was about to buy some china allen for like $10 when one of the oldschool dudes comes up to me and says "is it a volkswagon?" and hands me a VW specific manual trans drain plug tool in 3/8 drive to 17mm, I reply "yeah, well Porsche but pretty much"..

I left with a $6 bit no bigger than my thumb with **** lathe facing and "tiawan" stamped crookedly into it... I call that overpriced.. but it worked, snap on ratchet and 24" cheater and it didn't break..

i welded a 17mm headed bolt to a rod for the first real try but that broke quick, not my weld, the bolt (probably my heat)

but the point is more that I cant find any place to buy USA made tools within 30-40 miles of where I live... even if I try to its just not possible... and that's not cool..

got in a jam and had to buy one of there 3/8 universals too.. the thing isn't undercut correctly like my SK one I just got or my oldschool cman 1/2 uni is.. it runs into its self and has deformed on its edges, it took prolly around 200 ftlbs and didn't break tho I gotta give it that I suppose.. great chrome on it too.. and threaded pins instead of rivits..

if it had the undercuts like the good ones do I would have nothing to complain about I suppose...
 
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I had a nice chat with the napa guys about there Carlyle stuff yesterday...

they claimed that they were going to start moving there Carlyle production to America... I think they were full of it...
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Which NAPA guys? Folks in the store?

Just curious, because, unless it was some kind of regional representative that wasn't a store owner/employee, your take on things is probably pretty accurate.

The folks at the store level really don't get much information on this kind of thing, and the tools would need to be stocked/selling better than they are for GPC to decide to shift to domestic production.

I've bought a fair amount of Carlyle sockets to fill tray pegs and just, in general, fill out my socket collection. Bought a few ratchets.

I like the stuff, and regularly grab the Carlyle ratchets when working on stuff. I think the quality is there, it just needs to be better marketed.

I will say, too, that NAPA needs to better stock the stuff in distribution centers and get the stores, including franchises, more in-line with a consistent stocking of them.

Perhaps I'm attempting to order "weird" stuff, but when multiple DC's don't have a single socket, and when you finally locate it, that DC only has 1? That just seems weird.

NAPA could probably make a killing off these tools if they enforced a consistent base set of stuff being stocked at all stores (or, at least, devised a plan for small stores/medium stores/large stores), and actually had their outside salespeople push the line hard and leveraged their delivery teams to provide a "similar" level of service such as what a truck provides.
 
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This Carlyle looks awesome! In Canada for some reason, we don't get it, we get what's called NAPA UltraPro.

I really would love a set of the Carlyle Flank Drive wrenches.
 
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Carlyle tools are top notch. They have the quality and warranty and power to have their own tool trucks.
 
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"I really would love a set of the Carlyle Flank Drive wrenches." Me too! I picked up a 1 1/8 fd wrench the other day for a job on a tractor...that open end worked great! I have been slowly adding Carlyle tools to my arsenal, and I and very impressed so far with the quality!
 
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Carlyle is grate excellent quality and performance that rivals trunk brands .i own quite a few Carlyle tools with that being said yeah they are kind of high for tools made in Taiwan. but you also have to take in to consideration they have only been around for 3 years napa is the only place you can find them ebay to if you lucky . but give it time and you'll be able to buy Carlyle of a boat load of online retailers.
 
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mowersplus84 said:
Carlyle is grate excellent quality and performance that rivals trunk brands .i own quite a few Carlyle tools with that being said yeah they are kind of high for tools made in Taiwan. but you also have to take in to consideration they have only been around for 3 years napa is the only place you can find them ebay to if you lucky . but give it time and you'll be able to buy Carlyle of a boat load of online retailers.
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I have a commerative wrench for sale, says 1st anniversary. Just got it about a month ago..

Also the reason you only find them at Napa is that's there house brand. Like duralast and autozone.
 
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I just checked the napa website and the ratchets are cheaper then the last time i looked 1/2'' drive 100 tooth swivel ratchet chtr12s100 is $69.99 compared to $99.99 when i checked a month ago
 
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I don't have any yet myself. They look decent enough, and there are some fair prices listed here. There are also quite a few things way overpriced in my opinion. Maybe they arent so bad if you get a discount through your shop. Just looked up long pattern combo wrench set sae it was like 270 i think. thats more than you can find better usa wrenches for.
 
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I don't have any yet myself. They look decent enough, and there are some fair prices listed here. There are also quite a few things way overpriced in my opinion. Maybe they arent so bad if you get a discount through your shop. Just looked up long pattern combo wrench set sae it was like 270 i think. thats more than you can find better usa wrenches for.
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How you know they're better if you don't have any? :confused:

I'll put a Carlyle wrench against anything else. And the warranty will be just as easy, at least in my area.
 
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I just checked the napa website and the ratchets are cheaper then the last time i looked 1/2'' drive 100 tooth swivel ratchet chtr12s100 is $69.99 compared to $99.99 when i checked a month ago
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NAPA doesn't do a real good job of publicizing their sales. NAPA places some Carlyle Tools on sale each month/quarter in their Real Deals flyer. A couple of months ago, their open stock wrenches were like 25% off. They would sell more if they let it out there was a sale. :wtf:
 
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I can't speak highly enough about them. They're my go to tools now if I Ned something. My local nap as are awesome.
Parts, well they come from aap because of the discount codes.
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Have you used their torque wrenches yet . i pick one up last week
 
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Fedwrench said:
NAPA doesn't do a real good job of publicizing their sales. NAPA places some Carlyle Tools on sale each month/quarter in their Real Deals flyer. A couple of months ago, their open stock wrenches were like 25% off. They would sell more if they let it out there was a sale. :wtf:
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I recall a post here about somebody saying that they had a sale twice a year (I assume on all the tools?) but they didn't say when the sales occurred.

I started a spreadsheet on the Carlyle sockets that I wanted to buy to fill in my sets. I would attempt to check prices monthly (didn't happen) and then record them.

A little OT but how do you know if it's a corporate NAPA store or franchise without asking the store? The Carlyle club card hasn't really done anything for me at what I believe to be franchise stores.

I've been eyeing the long pattern combos and the ratcheting combos, I might have to start tracking those......
 

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