HOTFR8
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Let us know how that one works out. I can see the cogs clicking over from here with the ideas you have been given.
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Above 1200 Sq/FT The ASYLUM - Happy 40th Birthday to Me! (Est. 2005)
- Thread starter shopnut
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
Let us know how that one works out. I can see the cogs clicking over from here with the ideas you have been given.Yes, no shortage of ideas offered up on this website. That's what's great about the GJ.
NOW 2/3's OF THE LOFT FLOOR JOISTS ARE IN…
It was basically a repeat of last week, but a mirror image of the work. Here are a couple outside shots.
And some from the inside. Only the temporary center supports remain.
Next it will be the center section.
THE ROLL-UP DOOR TRACKS NEEDED SOME LUBE…
The doors were starting to hang up in their tracks and stutter a bit as they were closing. The lube sprayed on them from years ago turned into a caked-on paste, doing more harm than good. I always thought some type of dry film lube would be the way to go because of all the dust and debris they are exposed to. I wanted to try some BoeShield T-9 but have been too lazy to order it, so I stopped at the local hardware store and found this as an alternative.
I must say, I'm impressed with it so far. I say this because I first tried my normal trusty degreaser to get off the old crusty lube and it didn't work at all. Then I sprayed some of this on it and it dissolved the old stuff almost immediately. With all the old stuff gone, I sprayed on a thin new layer and ran the door up and down a few times to work it in. Worked like a charm.
Why stop there. I had some hoist chains that where feeling the effects of Florida's humid climate, so I used it on them too. It removed the surface rust and coated the chain with a greaseless layer of protectant.
I picked it up at the local Ace Hardware for about $7 in a 7oz can and it’s made by Nutek. I'll report back in a year or so with a long term followup.
Here’s a link to their products if you are interested: Nutek (by Hoover)
It was basically a repeat of last week, but a mirror image of the work. Here are a couple outside shots.
And some from the inside. Only the temporary center supports remain.
Next it will be the center section.
THE ROLL-UP DOOR TRACKS NEEDED SOME LUBE…
The doors were starting to hang up in their tracks and stutter a bit as they were closing. The lube sprayed on them from years ago turned into a caked-on paste, doing more harm than good. I always thought some type of dry film lube would be the way to go because of all the dust and debris they are exposed to. I wanted to try some BoeShield T-9 but have been too lazy to order it, so I stopped at the local hardware store and found this as an alternative.
I must say, I'm impressed with it so far. I say this because I first tried my normal trusty degreaser to get off the old crusty lube and it didn't work at all. Then I sprayed some of this on it and it dissolved the old stuff almost immediately. With all the old stuff gone, I sprayed on a thin new layer and ran the door up and down a few times to work it in. Worked like a charm.
Why stop there. I had some hoist chains that where feeling the effects of Florida's humid climate, so I used it on them too. It removed the surface rust and coated the chain with a greaseless layer of protectant.
I picked it up at the local Ace Hardware for about $7 in a 7oz can and it’s made by Nutek. I'll report back in a year or so with a long term followup.
Here’s a link to their products if you are interested: Nutek (by Hoover)
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HOTFR8
Banned
You could almost make that loft a hidden storage area looking at it now.
Vernmotor
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Yes the loft idea is much clear'er now 
they do make reg lube for them garage door rollers
Just seen it at lowes the other day.
they do make reg lube for them garage door rollersJust seen it at lowes the other day.
HOTFR8 - I was planning to have doors up there to keep the dust out, so depending how I do it, you might not even know all my junk is up there. The ledge over the doors, on the other hand, will still be visible and I’m thinking a hand rail at the very edge will finish it off. Of course, people may wonder what the heck that balcony is doing up there, however. I'm sure it won't be teh only thing in the Asylum that make them scratch their head though .
A little more thought on the loft elevator idea - I found some of these simple man lifts (like the picture below) for under US$1000 used and they seem relatively small. If I parked that thing between the large doors, it could serve as a semi-permanent elevator to the front loft. If it was needed elsewhere, it could be easily wheeled to a new spot. Capacities are around 300lbs, so it could lift me along with some goods. When something heavier needed to be lifted up to the loft, I could plop it on the man-lift and I could climb up the library ladder. The ones I found so far weren't near me so its time to start watching craigslist and ebay.
When the ceiling is finished, I was always planning to sell/store the scaffold because it takes up valuable floor space. Perhaps selling the scaffold will generate a down payment for a man lift. Although the library ladder is meant to service the lights and stuff up high around the perimeter, I’m sure a lift would come in handy when I have something major to do since it would be better than standing on an extension ladder.
Vernmotor - Thanks for the tip. Next time I’m in Lowe’s, I’ll check out the lube or garage door aisles to see what my local store has. It seems I normally spend a majority of my time in the lumber, electrical and plumbing aisles.
.A little more thought on the loft elevator idea - I found some of these simple man lifts (like the picture below) for under US$1000 used and they seem relatively small. If I parked that thing between the large doors, it could serve as a semi-permanent elevator to the front loft. If it was needed elsewhere, it could be easily wheeled to a new spot. Capacities are around 300lbs, so it could lift me along with some goods. When something heavier needed to be lifted up to the loft, I could plop it on the man-lift and I could climb up the library ladder. The ones I found so far weren't near me so its time to start watching craigslist and ebay.
When the ceiling is finished, I was always planning to sell/store the scaffold because it takes up valuable floor space. Perhaps selling the scaffold will generate a down payment for a man lift. Although the library ladder is meant to service the lights and stuff up high around the perimeter, I’m sure a lift would come in handy when I have something major to do since it would be better than standing on an extension ladder.
Vernmotor - Thanks for the tip. Next time I’m in Lowe’s, I’ll check out the lube or garage door aisles to see what my local store has. It seems I normally spend a majority of my time in the lumber, electrical and plumbing aisles.
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HOTFR8
Banned
A good idea to keep things clean. Out of site out of mind.
THE LOFT FLOOR NOW SPANS THE ENTIRE 26 FEET…
The heat was pretty nasty up near the peak with the sun beating down on the roof, but with plenty of Gatorade being consumed, I managed to power through it. I also have a little fan mounted on the scaffold and this helps a bit.
First was removing the old metal siding and being careful not to damage it so it can be re-used on the front of the building. Some batten strips were used to temporarily secure the sheet insulation.
The hole in the insulation was cut and the first two joists went in.
And then the rest. Two joists in the middle straddle the main 6x6 column between the doors so I installed a 2x6 spacer between them.
And here are some other shots of the finished framing after all temporary bracing was removed.. There is a fair amount of space between the cantilevered floor and the door drums so I'm trying to think of ways to utilize it somehow.
The white insulation and horizontal 2x6 just above the electrical outlet will be removed once the loft floor is sealed in. The loft will then become part of the interior space.
Next will be completion of the framing for the porch ceiling (bottom of the loft floor) and buying materials to finish it off. White soffit material will be used, just like all the interior/exterior ceilings of the Asylum.
The heat was pretty nasty up near the peak with the sun beating down on the roof, but with plenty of Gatorade being consumed, I managed to power through it. I also have a little fan mounted on the scaffold and this helps a bit.
First was removing the old metal siding and being careful not to damage it so it can be re-used on the front of the building. Some batten strips were used to temporarily secure the sheet insulation.
The hole in the insulation was cut and the first two joists went in.
And then the rest. Two joists in the middle straddle the main 6x6 column between the doors so I installed a 2x6 spacer between them.
And here are some other shots of the finished framing after all temporary bracing was removed.. There is a fair amount of space between the cantilevered floor and the door drums so I'm trying to think of ways to utilize it somehow.
The white insulation and horizontal 2x6 just above the electrical outlet will be removed once the loft floor is sealed in. The loft will then become part of the interior space.
Next will be completion of the framing for the porch ceiling (bottom of the loft floor) and buying materials to finish it off. White soffit material will be used, just like all the interior/exterior ceilings of the Asylum.
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SpeedinLemon
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Wow Shopnut!! I have to admit, I was having a bit of a hard time visualizing the overall loft concept, but that last set of pics finally made it click for me. That's going to be a nice size space and with your org skills, I would expect 30-40 pounds in that 5 pound bag! Will the storage behind the doors be open, or do you have plans for shelves or ??? Have you mentioned what you plan to store up there? Whatever it is, I really like the man lift/elevator idea. Given your tendency to abandon perfectly good ladders, a man lift and harness may be a good option for you. Sub -$1000 seems very reasonable if it doesn't need $2000 worth of batteries. 
Looking great....I'm really looking forward to seeing the loft now that my pea-brain has finally caught on to your concept!
I went back and looked and see bulky car parts are headed to the loft:
Looking great....I'm really looking forward to seeing the loft now that my pea-brain has finally caught on to your concept!
I went back and looked and see bulky car parts are headed to the loft:
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tinbender 66
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Nice. Soon another milestone will be crossed off. Fill 'er up!!
. Fill 'er up!!machine_punk
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Looks like you are moving forward again! Great progress on the loft. That man lift looks like a good idea. I used a larger version of that (for two guys...the smaller size, which fits through the average man door), for installing the stage lighting at the church. It really saves a lot of effort (that model would move while it was elevated...you just had to make sure you took everything you needed up with you).
I'd love to have a man lift, but I don't really have the space for it right now. I'd use it for things like painting the house too.
While it is not nearly as hot here, I just did a write-up in my thread of the new fan I installed in my garage.
M_P
I'd love to have a man lift, but I don't really have the space for it right now. I'd use it for things like painting the house too.
While it is not nearly as hot here, I just did a write-up in my thread of the new fan I installed in my garage.
M_P
Omphaloskeptic
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Well now that the framing is in, the question is whether Shopnut will get the loft 'buttoned up' before the swallows move in, build nests, take over, and 'strafe' any potential intruder. Shopnut, you might have to don your sailing foul weather gear to finish the loft; better get cracking! Oh, wait a second.... Shopnut can't possibly have an invasion of swallows. After all, this is the ASYLUM we're talking about here. No, if he doesn't get it closed in real quick, he's going to wind up having BATS IN HIS BELFRY! Get it? Asylum is for crazy people, crazy people are said to have bats in their belfry, so Shopnut's Asylum is bound to get bats in its 'belfry'. I know it's a stretch but it's late and I'm feeling a bit batty myself. Goodnight all!
mdbeck1
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Well now that the framing is in, the question is whether Shopnut will get the loft 'buttoned up' before the swallows move in, build nests, take over, and 'strafe' any potential intruder. Shopnut, you might have to don your sailing foul weather gear to finish the loft; better get cracking! Oh, wait a second.... Shopnut can't possibly have an invasion of swallows. After all, this is the ASYLUM we're talking about here. No, if he doesn't get it closed in real quick, he's going to wind up having BATS IN HIS BELFRY! Get it? Asylum is for crazy people, crazy people are said to have bats in their belfry, so Shopnut's Asylum is bound to get bats in its 'belfry'. I know it's a stretch but it's late and I'm feeling a bit batty myself. Goodnight all!
It's probably not a good thing to use "Shopnut" and "crack" in ths same sentence... Oh, wait a minute... he didn't "crack" his foot. He broke it...
...and he probably needs to get the Roomba bug/bird/reptile control unit working to take care of those "unwanted" visitors in the loft....
HOTFR8 - Yes, out of sight out of mind. But I just hope I can remember where everything is located someday when this mind starts going out of site
SpeedinLemon - I doubt you were alone with the visualization thing. I probably ought to convert all my 2-D stuff in AutoCAD to 3-D one of these days to help you guys “see” things as I do.
I’m a big fan of those clear storage totes for the small stuff, so some simple racks may go up in the loft for those (like in my city garage thread). Doors will be aligned with the main rafter above the doors, and I doubt I will store much on the cantilevered portion (that is mainly for supporting the library ladder rail), but perhaps some decorations will end up there eventually. Some more lighted signs or gas pump globes would be cool and I’m already planning a branch of my “night light” circuit to route up there.
You know, as little as I’m planning to move it, I could deal with a plug-in cord for the man-lift power unit. Maybe I could find a really cheap one with spent batteries and do a little conversion work to a corded version
tinbender_66 - Yeah, it’s nice to have the main structure up. It was kind of sad though to only be able to cross 2 items off my task list after about a month of work (geez!). This is no doubt one of the biggest jobs I have tackled here at the Asylum. But when the loft is done, I can get to all the fun little stuff around here.
M_P - Thanks. I’m looking for the smallest man-lift I can find so it doesn't take up too much space (plus it should be cheaper).
I have some fans similar to yours and they do a great job of helping with the comfort level. I'm sure you will enjoy having yours. At the moment unfortunately, they are doing me no good with the loft project since they can’t be aimed upward very far. I've been working way above their sweep zone lately. Even running the exhaust fan isn’t moving air where I’m working.
I did add two little twists to my wall-mounted fans though. I mounted them on TV articulating arms so they would reach around the posts or corner and I also added a spotlight below them for the extra lumens wherever I was working. A wall switch independently controls the spotlight.
Omphaloskeptic - Good one. I'm pretty sure the bats I see flying around at dusk eating mosquitoes aren't merely in my head (he said with little confidence). Luckily they never tried to move in up there despite being the appropriate winged pest for the Asylum. I have no idea where they "hang" out during the day, but so far they haven't bothered me so I ignore them.
I did have a baby owl try it once, but I eventually chased it away. I kind of felt sorry for the poor little guy. It was like he was hiding out from a big hawk or something.
mdbeck1 - Funny! Come to think of it, I don't even remember hearing a cracking or snapping noise when the heel bone succumbed to the effects of gravity. As for the pests, I've resorted to chemical warfare as I will soon explain.
SpeedinLemon - I doubt you were alone with the visualization thing. I probably ought to convert all my 2-D stuff in AutoCAD to 3-D one of these days to help you guys “see” things as I do.
I’m a big fan of those clear storage totes for the small stuff, so some simple racks may go up in the loft for those (like in my city garage thread). Doors will be aligned with the main rafter above the doors, and I doubt I will store much on the cantilevered portion (that is mainly for supporting the library ladder rail), but perhaps some decorations will end up there eventually. Some more lighted signs or gas pump globes would be cool and I’m already planning a branch of my “night light” circuit to route up there.
You know, as little as I’m planning to move it, I could deal with a plug-in cord for the man-lift power unit. Maybe I could find a really cheap one with spent batteries and do a little conversion work to a corded version
tinbender_66 - Yeah, it’s nice to have the main structure up. It was kind of sad though to only be able to cross 2 items off my task list after about a month of work (geez!). This is no doubt one of the biggest jobs I have tackled here at the Asylum. But when the loft is done, I can get to all the fun little stuff around here.
M_P - Thanks. I’m looking for the smallest man-lift I can find so it doesn't take up too much space (plus it should be cheaper).
I have some fans similar to yours and they do a great job of helping with the comfort level. I'm sure you will enjoy having yours. At the moment unfortunately, they are doing me no good with the loft project since they can’t be aimed upward very far
. I've been working way above their sweep zone lately. Even running the exhaust fan isn’t moving air where I’m working.I did add two little twists to my wall-mounted fans though. I mounted them on TV articulating arms so they would reach around the posts or corner and I also added a spotlight below them for the extra lumens wherever I was working. A wall switch independently controls the spotlight.
Omphaloskeptic - Good one. I'm pretty sure the bats I see flying around at dusk eating mosquitoes aren't merely in my head (he said with little confidence). Luckily they never tried to move in up there despite being the appropriate winged pest for the Asylum. I have no idea where they "hang" out during the day, but so far they haven't bothered me so I ignore them.
I did have a baby owl try it once, but I eventually chased it away. I kind of felt sorry for the poor little guy. It was like he was hiding out from a big hawk or something.
mdbeck1 - Funny! Come to think of it, I don't even remember hearing a cracking or snapping noise when the heel bone succumbed to the effects of gravity. As for the pests, I've resorted to chemical warfare as I will soon explain.
HOTFR8
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HOTFR8 - Yes, out of sight out of mind. But I just hope I can remember where everything is located someday when this mind starts going out of site
So I found another believer in the hereafter....
as you get there you ask what was I here after ? machine_punk
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NOW 2/3's OF THE LOFT FLOOR JOISTS ARE IN…
...so I stopped at the local hardware store and found this as an alternative.
I must say, I'm impressed with it so far. I say this because I first tried my normal trusty degreaser to get off the old crusty lube and it didn't work at all. Then I sprayed some of this on it and it dissolved the old stuff almost immediately. With all the old stuff gone, I sprayed on a thin new layer and ran the door up and down a few times to work it in. Worked like a charm.
Here’s a link to their products if you are interested: Nutek (by Hoover)
I would have never noticed this today, if I had not just read your post. I ran across about a dozen bottles of this, in the 'price reduced' end cap at Home Depot. I think they were asking about $2.50/can, so I picked up a couple, based on your recommendation.
M_P
mdbeck1
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Hmmmm.... How did you get your roomba (or is it the railba) to operate a can of RAID???
Wingnut65
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I turn my back and shopnut starts talking about an elevator. Actually, he didn't start the idea, but now that it has been planted, I can't wait to see what ingenuity will be created for the Asylum. I was going to mention that the forklift idea is great, but where do you store an elephant when it isn't being used?
Nice work on the loft. I hope your plans for closing in the outside include adding some braces mid-span to keep the joists from twisting. One row would be great, but two could really help in the load capacity of the loft.
As for our bats, they do seem to help out with the insect population reduction. I'm just glad you don't have them hanging out at The Asylum. Otherwise we'd have to call it some other name, you'd need to get a cool outfit and an awesomely cool car. We've already got one here on GJ, another could fit... Oh, wait, that is one of my dream cars to own.
Nice work on the loft.
I hope your plans for closing in the outside include adding some braces mid-span to keep the joists from twisting. One row would be great, but two could really help in the load capacity of the loft.As for our bats, they do seem to help out with the insect population reduction. I'm just glad you don't have them hanging out at The Asylum. Otherwise we'd have to call it some other name, you'd need to get a cool outfit and an awesomely cool car. We've already got one here on GJ, another could fit... Oh, wait, that is one of my dream cars to own.
HOTFR8 - Very clever play on words, but all too true. Man, that happens way too much lately. I don't know if I'm just getting forgetful or if there's just too many things bouncing around in my head these days.
machine_punk - That might explain why H-D lists it as an item on their website but doesn't show any stores near me having it. Home Depot Link
I hope you like it. I foresee it working really well on unpainted machine surfaces. What's nice is it doesn't feel oily on the door pull chains I used it on. And since it isn't a silicone-based product, hopefully it won't mess up any of my future paint projects.
mdbeck1 - Nope, nothing fancy yet. But the "Railba" name has a nice ring to it
Wingnut65 - Yep, you have to watch me every minute. I can get myself into trouble in a heartbeat.
I already have joist bracing installed, mainly to temporarily seal out critters in the meantime. But I placed them directly above the door wall (about 3' down the 11' span). Following your fine recommendation, I will now be planning to add a second row in the middle of the remaining 8' just to be sure. I have plenty of scraps and having even one of the joists twist might make the ceiling vinyl warp, and we can't have that, now can we? Thanks.
I never really dreamed about having a Batmobile, but after seeing Amazzen's fine specimen, now I kind of want one. Very cool!
machine_punk - That might explain why H-D lists it as an item on their website but doesn't show any stores near me having it. Home Depot Link
I hope you like it. I foresee it working really well on unpainted machine surfaces. What's nice is it doesn't feel oily on the door pull chains I used it on. And since it isn't a silicone-based product, hopefully it won't mess up any of my future paint projects.
mdbeck1 - Nope, nothing fancy yet. But the "Railba" name has a nice ring to it
Wingnut65 - Yep, you have to watch me every minute
. I can get myself into trouble in a heartbeat.I already have joist bracing installed, mainly to temporarily seal out critters in the meantime. But I placed them directly above the door wall (about 3' down the 11' span). Following your fine recommendation, I will now be planning to add a second row in the middle of the remaining 8' just to be sure. I have plenty of scraps and having even one of the joists twist might make the ceiling vinyl warp, and we can't have that, now can we? Thanks.
I never really dreamed about having a Batmobile, but after seeing Amazzen's fine specimen, now I kind of want one. Very cool!
Wingnut65
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Thanks. It was the 8' span that I was worried about since that is where the loads would be centered
I agree on his beauty. Since I don't want to start anything, I will not even think of mentioning Gotham Cruisers or Gotham Garage.
Oh Great! - all I need is another distraction right now!
IT WAS TIME TO STOCK UP ON BUILDING MATERIALS…
Since the time is getting close to finish off the patio ceiling (bottom of loft floor), it was time to purchase the vinyl soffit material. I figure 16 pieces will take care of it. Of course, you can't forget the J-channel trim.
I’M A SUCKER FOR A GOOD CORD REEL…
I have quite a collection of Appleton reels going, but I still watch for cheap used ones to surface. I could never afford these things new for my amateur operation, but this latest one had been damaged and I picked it up for $30. It was being sold cheap because the housing had some damage, but it’s nothing I can’t deal with. The best thing about this reel is it’s a 4-conductor unit, so I could use it to power up a 220V device.
I’M SURE I WILL FIND A USE FOR THIS STUFF SOMEDAY…
I stumbled onto this box of skate-wheel conveyor sections for $19 and decided a good use for it would come along shortly.
Special aluminum extrusions hold the wheels in place. One picture shows an example on what it can be used for buy placing the roller tracks at an angle. I almost went with type of arrangement when I was designing my under-stairs jack stand storage, but chose to make a pull-out drawer instead. I foresee many uses - I might even use some of them inverted as platform wheels.
Since the time is getting close to finish off the patio ceiling (bottom of loft floor), it was time to purchase the vinyl soffit material. I figure 16 pieces will take care of it. Of course, you can't forget the J-channel trim.
I’M A SUCKER FOR A GOOD CORD REEL…
I have quite a collection of Appleton reels going, but I still watch for cheap used ones to surface. I could never afford these things new for my amateur operation, but this latest one had been damaged and I picked it up for $30. It was being sold cheap because the housing had some damage, but it’s nothing I can’t deal with. The best thing about this reel is it’s a 4-conductor unit, so I could use it to power up a 220V device.
I’M SURE I WILL FIND A USE FOR THIS STUFF SOMEDAY…
I stumbled onto this box of skate-wheel conveyor sections for $19 and decided a good use for it would come along shortly.
Special aluminum extrusions hold the wheels in place. One picture shows an example on what it can be used for buy placing the roller tracks at an angle. I almost went with type of arrangement when I was designing my under-stairs jack stand storage, but chose to make a pull-out drawer instead. I foresee many uses - I might even use some of them inverted as platform wheels.
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Awe the ever usefull Creform rollers. I work for Toyota and we use Creform products for everthing. http://www.creform.com/front_materials.html
Wingnut65
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Oh Great! - all I need is another distraction right now!
They are fun to browse, dream and drool. But back to the Asylum...
Nice score on the rollers and cord reel! The reel looks like it can handle just about anything you connect it to. That is a heavy duty cord!
I can just hear your old gears turning now on how to use the rollers... Use them in the loft to move the storage stuff deeper into the abyss?... Under the fridge and connected to some hydraulics to slide it out from behind a secret panel to get a cold one?... Boat launch on the dock?...
BDAZSVT - Thanks for mentioning Creform because I failed to state the brand of my conveyor parts. I think they look identical, but it is actually "Fastube" which the seller claimed to be completely compatible with the Creform version. Looking through the website you provided, there are literally 1000's of things you could do with the stuff. Thanks for stopping by.
Wingnut65 - It always fun to dream.
I posted this picture about 1000 photos ago (Reply #390), but I think it shows a great comparison of the typical sized cord reel on the right (which happens to be a more reasonably priced Appleton unit) and the industrial version that will probably last two or three of my lifetimes.
Lots of good ideas given for the conveyor wheels. I still don't know where that new fridge will end up, but now you got me thinking And some rolling platforms, especially in the deep but height-challenged side lofts, might be really convenient.
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Wingnut65 - It always fun to dream.
I posted this picture about 1000 photos ago (Reply #390), but I think it shows a great comparison of the typical sized cord reel on the right (which happens to be a more reasonably priced Appleton unit) and the industrial version that will probably last two or three of my lifetimes.
Lots of good ideas given for the conveyor wheels. I still don't know where that new fridge will end up, but now you got me thinking
And some rolling platforms, especially in the deep but height-challenged side lofts, might be really convenient..
Wilbur
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Shopnut I will add to the loooong list of people saying thank you for documenting yoour build(s) and ideas so thoroughly.
While many of the items are not on my list for immediate use rest assured I have saved them (my spreadsheet of ideas grows and grows after threads like this!). Congrats to you for building your dream!
As an aside and as I live in MA I am the LAST person to discusss poison animals We have none outside of a couple of areas in the state but I hate them! (Being almost killed by a yellowjacket makes me paranoid! LOL). I have read that the smaller rattlesnakes are more dangerous than the larger ones because they can't control their venom delivery as well and will pump more than a large snake which when striking out of self defense usually only delivers a small amount. I am sure some of the folks here know far more about this than I but I figure you will likely continue to come across snakes at the Asylum and it might pay to be more cautious with the small ones.
Sorry for the drift! Or in keeping with some of Omphaloskeptic's posts should I call it the A.S.I.D.E.- Asylum Snake Interdiction and Deterrent Effort?
Sorry....
While many of the items are not on my list for immediate use rest assured I have saved them (my spreadsheet of ideas grows and grows after threads like this!). Congrats to you for building your dream! As an aside and as I live in MA I am the LAST person to discusss poison animals We have none outside of a couple of areas in the state but I hate them! (Being almost killed by a yellowjacket makes me paranoid! LOL). I have read that the smaller rattlesnakes are more dangerous than the larger ones because they can't control their venom delivery as well and will pump more than a large snake which when striking out of self defense usually only delivers a small amount. I am sure some of the folks here know far more about this than I but I figure you will likely continue to come across snakes at the Asylum and it might pay to be more cautious with the small ones.
Sorry for the drift! Or in keeping with some of Omphaloskeptic's posts should I call it the A.S.I.D.E.- Asylum Snake Interdiction and Deterrent Effort?
Sorry....
Omphaloskeptic
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Wilbur, 'A.S.I.D.E.' - I LIKE IT!
Shopnut, great score on that Appleton reel; what do they normally retail for?
Those 'Fastube' rollers are slick (pun intended)! If I might (ahem...) suggest a possible project use for them:
- Procure a long one-piece aluminum ladder.
- Fasten the extruded sections to the side rails of the ladder.
- Insert roller assemblies into extrusions.
- Attach ladder by means of a pivot axle engaging 'J' clips bolted to interior edge of loft.
- Construct an angled incline platform to 'ride the rollers'.
- Buy a light duty high speed winch and mount it in the rafters centered above the new loft.
- Suspend the free end of the ladder via a pulley system so it hangs above your jib crane.
- Control winch via infrared hand-held remote.
- For a little excitement, make the incline platform big enough for cargo and 'passenger'.
lol
And to add some versatility to this contraption:
- Add a second pivot axle to other end of the ladder as well.
- Add a second set of 'J' clips to exterior of loft; just below the operable hayloft door.
- This would allow you to load/unload the Avalanche in the patio driveway by 'just' unhooking the interior pivot axle, slide the ladder through the loft and out the hayloft door, tip the ladder down to the ground (or bed of the truck), slip the opposite end's pivot axle into the outside 'J' clips, spin the incline platform 180, and away you go (literally or figuratively)!
Of course we would need an acronym/name for this highly useful, and technofabulous conveyance; how's about A.S.C.E.N.D. - 'Asylum Storage Cargo Elevating Nice Device'.
Shopnut, great score on that Appleton reel; what do they normally retail for?
Those 'Fastube' rollers are slick (pun intended)! If I might (ahem...) suggest a possible project use for them:
- Procure a long one-piece aluminum ladder.
- Fasten the extruded sections to the side rails of the ladder.
- Insert roller assemblies into extrusions.
- Attach ladder by means of a pivot axle engaging 'J' clips bolted to interior edge of loft.
- Construct an angled incline platform to 'ride the rollers'.
- Buy a light duty high speed winch and mount it in the rafters centered above the new loft.
- Suspend the free end of the ladder via a pulley system so it hangs above your jib crane.
- Control winch via infrared hand-held remote.
- For a little excitement, make the incline platform big enough for cargo and 'passenger'.
lolAnd to add some versatility to this contraption:
- Add a second pivot axle to other end of the ladder as well.
- Add a second set of 'J' clips to exterior of loft; just below the operable hayloft door.
- This would allow you to load/unload the Avalanche in the patio driveway by 'just' unhooking the interior pivot axle, slide the ladder through the loft and out the hayloft door, tip the ladder down to the ground (or bed of the truck), slip the opposite end's pivot axle into the outside 'J' clips, spin the incline platform 180, and away you go (literally or figuratively)!
Of course we would need an acronym/name for this highly useful, and technofabulous conveyance; how's about A.S.C.E.N.D. - 'Asylum Storage Cargo Elevating Nice Device'.
BlackSheepSpeedShop
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I am jumping into your post late. I have a 75'x55' Airplane hangar and I am very interested in your power windows. Can you give me some idea of the expense involved? Thank you for your time and for sharing your gorgeous shop.
BlackSheepSpeedShop
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I need a short version also. I have 20' side walls. Any info?
Wilbur - You are very welcome and I'm glad you are finding some of this useful. It's smart in generating a list, as many ideas can be lost with the abundance of them popping up here on the GJ. At some point, you will have to pick and choose what makes sense for the things you plan to do in your very own dream shop and then make it happen. There seems to be compromises in everything we do because funds are always limited.
I'm told the tiny pigmy rattlers can pack a nasty punch and I'm sure there are a few entry points in the Asylum where the little guys can sneak in. It would be wise of me to put the A.S.I.D.E. into full affect! (Good one!)
Omphaloskeptic - When I bid on the first Appleton reels, I couldn't find a vendor out there publishing their prices online. Seems they all said "Contact Us for a Quote". It seems the best source for up-front pricing is ebay, but there never seems to be new ones being sold like the type I have. The used spring rewind versions go for about $100-200. I suspect they sold for $400-500 new, which seems pretty outrageous for a reel (even though they reek of quality).
With your A.S.C.E.N.D. description (perfect name, BTW), I'm picturing a hay-bale elevator type thingy that can be hoisted up out of the way when not in use. Maybe it could share the library ladder rail and be positioned anywhere along the loft interior opening. But why stop there - I could also position it along the side walls so I could convey my unwanted junk right out the clerestory windows and have it slide down the roof into a dumpster
Going exterior with the same inclined elevator actually has a lot of merit because I picture open floor space and interior operating room to be minimal when I start using this place as intended. But there's always plenty of room outside. And you must have remembered that some additional work is still needed on the front exterior wall with your mention of the extra hayloft door project. I could probably squeeze that into the schedule somehow when it comes time to redo that metal siding.
Keep the ideas coming!
BlackSheepSpeedShop - It's never too late to jump in! Glad you made the plunge. I'll be working on the last of the major stuff and a bunch of little things in the Asylum for another year or so.
Lucky for you (well, mainly lucky for me so I don't have to type it again), I have already compiled the costs involved with the power windows so I will provide this link Reply #627 for your convenience. Back in that part of the thread, I gave lots of details on the installation too, but feel free to ask any additional questions you might have. I will say this, however - I was extremely lucky to find the air actuators for the low price I did. It was a random ebay search one night when I stumbled onto them. I honestly think the seller messed up on the "Buy Me Now" price. And of course, the design and installation labor were free
As far as the triple stacker lift goes, I have not pursued it yet. Maybe if a few of us here on the Garage Journal show an interest in a shortened version, forum member Jeff from Bend-Pak can get something cooking. Might be worth a try.
I'm told the tiny pigmy rattlers can pack a nasty punch and I'm sure there are a few entry points in the Asylum where the little guys can sneak in. It would be wise of me to put the A.S.I.D.E. into full affect! (Good one!)
Omphaloskeptic - When I bid on the first Appleton reels, I couldn't find a vendor out there publishing their prices online. Seems they all said "Contact Us for a Quote". It seems the best source for up-front pricing is ebay, but there never seems to be new ones being sold like the type I have. The used spring rewind versions go for about $100-200. I suspect they sold for $400-500 new, which seems pretty outrageous for a reel (even though they reek of quality).
With your A.S.C.E.N.D. description (perfect name, BTW), I'm picturing a hay-bale elevator type thingy that can be hoisted up out of the way when not in use. Maybe it could share the library ladder rail and be positioned anywhere along the loft interior opening. But why stop there - I could also position it along the side walls so I could convey my unwanted junk right out the clerestory windows and have it slide down the roof into a dumpster
Going exterior with the same inclined elevator actually has a lot of merit because I picture open floor space and interior operating room to be minimal when I start using this place as intended. But there's always plenty of room outside. And you must have remembered that some additional work is still needed on the front exterior wall with your mention of the extra hayloft door project
. I could probably squeeze that into the schedule somehow when it comes time to redo that metal siding.Keep the ideas coming!
BlackSheepSpeedShop - It's never too late to jump in! Glad you made the plunge. I'll be working on the last of the major stuff and a bunch of little things in the Asylum for another year or so.
Lucky for you (well, mainly lucky for me so I don't have to type it again
), I have already compiled the costs involved with the power windows so I will provide this link Reply #627 for your convenience. Back in that part of the thread, I gave lots of details on the installation too, but feel free to ask any additional questions you might have. I will say this, however - I was extremely lucky to find the air actuators for the low price I did. It was a random ebay search one night when I stumbled onto them. I honestly think the seller messed up on the "Buy Me Now" price. And of course, the design and installation labor were free As far as the triple stacker lift goes, I have not pursued it yet. Maybe if a few of us here on the Garage Journal show an interest in a shortened version, forum member Jeff from Bend-Pak can get something cooking
. Might be worth a try.BlackSheepSpeedShop
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Thank you, I think I am going to attempt to build the power windows as one of my next couple projects. I will attempt to get all the material collected and start posting pics as I start the build. Thank you again.
THE WAR ON BUGS…
I have way too many spiders, silverfish, and roaches doing time with me in the Asylum. Some of the hungry silverfish have even eaten important notes of mine. Luckily, some were To-Do notes, so my job list appears to be getting smaller.
Although I wanted to try the Air Guard Konk insecticide as forum member nkachur suggested, I was in Lowe’s the other day and decided to give this locally available stuff a try. Upon checking online reviews, its performance appears to be less than stellar, but I found the results to be reasonable. The AG Konk may be the next try.
To let it get into as many nooks and crannies as possible, I opened up the cabinets and other storage areas.
I bought 6 fogger cans and evenly spaced them around the shop. I then planned my circular escape route as I activated each can. The 2 packages set me back a total of $20.
On the next trip out, there were a noticeable amount of dead bugs on the floor, mostly spiders and roaches. I’m hoping that for every dead bug out in plain sight, there were at least one or two more where I couldn’t see them. Here is a couple on a business card.
What was most noticeable, however, was the difference in my first loop through the shop upon my return. Normally after a week, I’m busting through webs stretched across the walkways, but not this time. Not a single one. We shall see how long that lasts.
THE ASYLUM DODGED YET ANOTHER BULLET…
This tree fell from the neighbor’s lot. We had a bit of windy weather last week so I’m assuming that’s when it happened. If it would’ve fallen in a different direction, some sheet metal or even a window could have been damaged. As luck would have it, it didn’t even crack a rail on my fence.
I have way too many spiders, silverfish, and roaches doing time with me in the Asylum. Some of the hungry silverfish have even eaten important notes of mine. Luckily, some were To-Do notes, so my job list appears to be getting smaller
. Although I wanted to try the Air Guard Konk insecticide as forum member nkachur suggested, I was in Lowe’s the other day and decided to give this locally available stuff a try. Upon checking online reviews, its performance appears to be less than stellar, but I found the results to be reasonable. The AG Konk may be the next try.
To let it get into as many nooks and crannies as possible, I opened up the cabinets and other storage areas.
I bought 6 fogger cans and evenly spaced them around the shop. I then planned my circular escape route as I activated each can. The 2 packages set me back a total of $20.
On the next trip out, there were a noticeable amount of dead bugs on the floor, mostly spiders and roaches. I’m hoping that for every dead bug out in plain sight, there were at least one or two more where I couldn’t see them. Here is a couple on a business card.
What was most noticeable, however, was the difference in my first loop through the shop upon my return. Normally after a week, I’m busting through webs stretched across the walkways, but not this time. Not a single one. We shall see how long that lasts.
THE ASYLUM DODGED YET ANOTHER BULLET…
This tree fell from the neighbor’s lot. We had a bit of windy weather last week so I’m assuming that’s when it happened. If it would’ve fallen in a different direction, some sheet metal or even a window could have been damaged. As luck would have it, it didn’t even crack a rail on my fence.
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Wingnut65
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Nice work on the uninvited residents. Getting all the cabinets opened must have taken half an hour.
You will have to let us know the results. I'd like to try that at my place some time, but I'm too lazy to figure out how to turn off the pilot light on the water heater.
You will have to let us know the results. I'd like to try that at my place some time, but I'm too lazy to figure out how to turn off the pilot light on the water heater.
Scuderia-F1
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I just keep on enjoying this thread, and I really hope that you´ll win the battle against those uninvited residents!
Oh, good to see that the shop "dodged" that tree!
Oh, good to see that the shop "dodged" that tree!
tinbender 66
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Nice score on the Appletons. I hadn't heard of them but now you've given me yet another thing to be on the lookout for! You guys are really good at spending my money.
Can't wait to see what you do with your latest gizmos. You are, after all, the master of gizmosity.
.Can't wait to see what you do with your latest gizmos. You are, after all, the master of gizmosity.
Wingnut65 - The bug population is definitely on the decline, but I think I will need to stay on top of it to keep it that way. I haven’t cleaned up all the old cobwebs so it’s hard to determine if any new ones are still being spun, especially up high.
For your situation, maybe there’s a fogger that’s nonflammable?
Scuderia-F1 - The Asylum has dodged more than its share and I feel my luck is running out. For that reason, I’m having a tree guy remove that monster oak tree right next to the building. Normally, I do the lumberjack chores around here, but that one is just too risky - I'm leaving it to teh professionals for a change.
Thanks for stopping by (and for following along).
tinbender_66 - Always glad to pass on a tip or two to the fine folks here at the GJ. I’ll probably be bidding against you for the next cheap one that shows up. Remember - go high or go home
The potential gizmos are starting to stack up because this loft has my full attention right now. “Gizmosity” - that’s a good one!
For your situation, maybe there’s a fogger that’s nonflammable?
Scuderia-F1 - The Asylum has dodged more than its share and I feel my luck is running out. For that reason, I’m having a tree guy remove that monster oak tree right next to the building. Normally, I do the lumberjack chores around here, but that one is just too risky - I'm leaving it to teh professionals for a change.
Thanks for stopping by (and for following along).
tinbender_66 - Always glad to pass on a tip or two to the fine folks here at the GJ. I’ll probably be bidding against you for the next cheap one that shows up
. Remember - go high or go home The potential gizmos are starting to stack up because this loft has my full attention right now. “Gizmosity” - that’s a good one!
Foxxtrot
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As always, just checking in after a couple of months or so! Glad to see you haven't let any grass grow under your feet! I can't wait to put a few of the ideas I have seen here to good use. If I could only find the time to get started! I did finally start the first shed project on my list, so at least that's something. I'm thinking about starting a thread so I can get some more great ideas from the fine folks on GJ. Keep up the good work!
Foxxtrot - Has it been a couple months already? Man, time flies!
Yep, its hard for me to sit still. In a recent trip home to see my family, my brother and I were discussing all of the projects we have going on, and laughing about rarily stopping to take a breather. He looks at me and said "I wonder where we get that from" (jokingly). Of course, we both knew it's our dad who still never rests, who set the example many years ago. I think Dad has more project going at 70+ years old than my brother and I put together.
Glad to hear you got that shed started. Yes, get a thread started - the members can't help you unless they see what you have going on. And I've found the members here to be a great motivation to keep going and I'm sure you will too. Perhaps they will help you "find" a bit more time
See you in a couple months. Maybe the loft project will be mostly behind me by then (I hope!)
Yep, its hard for me to sit still. In a recent trip home to see my family, my brother and I were discussing all of the projects we have going on, and laughing about rarily stopping to take a breather. He looks at me and said "I wonder where we get that from" (jokingly). Of course, we both knew it's our dad who still never rests, who set the example many years ago. I think Dad has more project going at 70+ years old than my brother and I put together.
Glad to hear you got that shed started. Yes, get a thread started - the members can't help you unless they see what you have going on. And I've found the members here to be a great motivation to keep going and I'm sure you will too. Perhaps they will help you "find" a bit more time
See you in a couple months. Maybe the loft project will be mostly behind me by then (I hope!
)I’M READY FOR THE PORCH CEILING TREATMENT…
First off, here you go Wingnut65 - I hope this is what you had in mind. Some bracing was added to the lower sides of the loft floor joists and shouldn't interfere with installation of the insulation. I figured the plywood decking will hold the tops in place just fine.
I then did a little bit of framing at the ends.
To close in the truss beam temporarily until the tan metal siding goes on, I used some 30# tarpaper. I used some small pieces to somewhat seal the top opening, mainly to keep me from dropping things way down in there. Once the floor goes in, wood will seal these areas up. I didn't bother to insulate this lower extension.
And one last shot to show where it stands, now completely ready for the Tyvek and ceiling vinyl.
First off, here you go Wingnut65 - I hope this is what you had in mind. Some bracing was added to the lower sides of the loft floor joists and shouldn't interfere with installation of the insulation. I figured the plywood decking will hold the tops in place just fine.
I then did a little bit of framing at the ends.
To close in the truss beam temporarily until the tan metal siding goes on, I used some 30# tarpaper. I used some small pieces to somewhat seal the top opening, mainly to keep me from dropping things way down in there. Once the floor goes in, wood will seal these areas up. I didn't bother to insulate this lower extension.
And one last shot to show where it stands, now completely ready for the Tyvek and ceiling vinyl.
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