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Hmmm? Well Shopnut, I guess linking to a successful test is OK for the 'Pass/Fail' type of class we attend here on GJ. It's similar to a member here linking to a photo of a really cool garage/car/truck/motorcycle/hot woman/etc.. The object's picture linked doesn't belong to the member, but they did the research for us and had to share it with us. It's like splitting a 'lunch pack' of Oreos with your school pals; shared enjoyment! :beer:
 
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ANOTHER WIRE FOR WHATEVER…

Wingnut65
talked me into it. Another run of 12 gauge Romex was added on the front porch ceiling just because it was easy to do now.

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This shows the removable panel that hides the wires.

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THE SCAFFOLD GOES BACK TO FULL HEIGHT INSIDE…

With all the work done outside on the front porch (at least for now) it was time to add the third tier back onto the scaffold. I used to front track hoist to do it. I got to use the new man-lift to reposition the extension ladder strapped to the side of the scaffold and it made the job pretty easy and much safer than in the past.

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Next, its time to rip a hole in the wall :D
 
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Very cool Shopnut.........I went to your first page and was checking out your organizational skills. I am very impressed how you have a "go to" guide for your thread. A guy could spend days checking out all the cool information you have in your thread.:thumbup:
 
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Omphaloskeptic - Shared enjoyment... that's what forums are for. (Well that, and maybe maybe a little information shared too)

IGO2XS - Thanks. I was headed down the path of having links for each reply number in the Index, but this forum wasn't set up to handle it :sad:. So I gave quick links to the sequential replies in post 2 and 3. That's the best I could do for now.
 
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RIPPING A HOLE IN THE WALL FOR LOFT ACCESS…

The time has finally come. Since I installed the porch ceiling, the loft has been totally sealed up from the interior and exterior access. When I cut into it, I was expecting some kind of hissing vacuum sound and bad smells like when Indiana Jones cracks open that ancient sealed tomb - but there nothing. I found where plenty of cobwebs in there.

Here’s a shot of the first couple of slashes through the sheet insulation. The old porch lights will work nicely as temporary work lights in the loft.

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Then half, and finally all the way across. It was actually cool to see that other rafter beam fully exposed like that - made it seem more spacious in the old Asylum.

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Here’s more of a close-up inside. I’m tempted to remove or downsize the gusset at the top of the center column since it limits accessibility into the loft.

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I used the man-lift to get materials up there. I hope to be using it much more in the near future as I get it fully operational and build up my confidence in the old machine.

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Wiring running down to floor for porch lighting and “whatever” circuit.

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And a panoramic to close out this episode.

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Next is adding insulation in the floor. This should be an easy job, but I just need to keep from stepping through the vinyl ceiling between the joists until the floor sheathing is installed.
 
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Shopnut
I have been browsing your thread for a while and like the place alot
I just saw the pic's of your elevator and had to chuckle a bit
looks pretty wobbly when up high
I'm sure you will love it (very handy tool)

At home i have a fork lift, a man lift ,and a small tractor
couldn't do with out any of these tools around here

the color scheme in your garage is very eye catching
thanks for sharing with us all

as I go thru my work shop I will be keeping youand theASYLUM in mind

Thanks again
Don
 

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Okay Shopnut, you have hit a MAJOR milestone in the loft project; CONGRATULATIONS! You have gained an immense amount of floor space for storage. In fact, I'll just bet there's plenty of room up there for both storage AND 'The C.U.P.O.L.A.'! Once you have the loft decking in place, it will be an excellent work platform to punch through the roof, add the proper support structure, install your 360 degree windows, and cap it off with a traditional copper hat; don't forget the lightning rod/weather vane/security video camera/light beacon/flag pole either. The chain hoist will be real handy for uploading the leather captain's chairs, the round bar/poker table, the I.C.B.M., and any other goodies you wish to install. If I'm not mistaken, you can still use the remote to activate the V.A.U.D.; that screen is big enough to be viewed from up there, isn't it? The heck with a hammock, get yourself a classic Eames chair and hassock, launch a cold one and enjoy the view! The only thing lacking would be the much sought after COPPER URINAL that Tin Bender has yet to craft! lol
 

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I just took a few minutes to catch up on your thread...looks like you have been making some great progress lately!

Once you get done with the actual building, what sorts of projects are you going to do in there?

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ANOTHER WIRE FOR WHATEVER…

Wingnut65 talked me into it. Another run of 12 gauge Romex was added on the front porch ceiling just because it was easy to do now.

Good thinking! :thumbup:

Nice reveal on the Loft. Looks like quite a bit of usable space that you could see and were just waiting to get access to it.

Go forth and fill it!
 
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don long - Thanks for visiting with the kind comments. Yeah, I don’t know if I’ll ever have the guts to take the lift all the way up, at least not out in the open like that one picture shows. Maybe up against something though - it seems I get gutsier when there is SOMETHING substantial nearby to hold on to. I’m putting together a write-up for a little update on the lift as I get acquainted with it. I’m sure it will be one of those things that open up a bunch of possibilities and make me wonder how I ever got along without it.

Omphaloskeptic - This was a major milestone for me and thanks for pointing that out. Everyone should be able to see my vision now that it has materialized to this point.

It looks like you have many more accessories planned for The C.U.P.O.L.A. than I do :). I’ll be lucky to get a hole punched in the roof in my lifetime with the project list I have going (and I’m not just talking about the Asylum).

We need to get tinbender_66 working on the prototype of that copper urinal so we all can copy it someday. Or does the GJ only have room for one? :dunno:

Vernmotor - If I don’t cut that gusset out now, I’m sure the 10th clunk on the head will prompt me to do it later. I’m going to look it over real good on the next visit to see just how much can be chopped out. My hoist track connects in at the top of it so there’s definitely some limit. Thanks.

machine_punk - Yep, it’s moving along lately and I’m feeling good about the progress made during the hot summer months. Thanks for noticing. Most people who know me will say “It will never be done”, but I do feel there’s an actual completion date in the near future (although my goal of 12-21-2012 is looking a bit too ambitious at the moment :sad:) The rest will be just details and upgrades that will happen as the hobby projects get underway. The cooler fall/winter months are coming soon and my efficiency will be boosted once these 90F days are behind us.

First on the fun project list are the cars and bikes. They have waited far too long for my undivided attention. The old Chevelle needs a ton of work and I foresee it spread all over this shop for several years. Others need just minor things done, but collectively the jobs add up to quite a bit of work. After that, I just love restoring things (anything), so I’ll be looking for interesting projects to take on. People’s hobbies change over the years and I’m hoping the Asylum will accommodate whatever I get myself into someday.

There will be a few of those details/upgrades that will get done before a vehicle is touched, however - an auto lift (need to stack those cars), my main docking workbench (the major bits are in place already), and A/C of some shape or form. It’s kind of funny that the workbench hasn’t been a high priority yet. But when working on the building, you tend to not need a bench very much.

Wingnut65 - I have a whole car bay full of junk (the good kind) that needs to go up there so I’m not tripping over it. Soon it will happen and I’m really looking forward to it. According to my Task List, just a little decking, insulating, lighting, and wall/ceiling finishing - and I’m there. Of course, then there’s some additional framing, siding, wiring, lighting, and library laddering to do. Yikes - I’m tired just thinking about all this. Luckily my timing is pretty good - the temps are starting to drop for working inside of that cubby hole.
 

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Okay you guys, I might be caving just a little. I find myself with urinal designs dancing in my head:dunno:.

Equipment wise, the only things I'm looking for are a few basic metalworking things (finger brake and rolls, and a bead roller/edger). I can live without a shear for a while. I haven't found anything priced within reason so far but it'll happen like it always does.

Soooooo.....ya never know, I might just do it one of these days. At least if I build one and ditch the toilet I can get by with a pretty basic "septic" system;). As for making more than one now that's pushin' it:lol:.

Sorry if I hijacked..........The place looks awesome shopnut!! You'll be knee deep in that car before you know it!
 
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Okay you guys, I might be caving just a little. I find myself with urinal designs dancing in my head:dunno:.
Although the thought of urinals dancing in someone's head is maybe just a bit disturbing ;), Ompha should take that as great news! His persistence seems to be paying off. And any project that justifies getting some new tools should be considered a worthwhile one :).

No problem with the the diversion, this loft building is getting a bit monotonous anyway. Thanks for stopping in.
 
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FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF THE MAN LIFT…

Like I said, the lift looks a little rough around the edges (well, maybe everywhere else too :sad:), but I think it will paint up nicely someday to match the Asylum interior. For now, I just want to get it in good operational condition.

I contacted the manufacturer and they were kind enough to send me an informational packet on the lift, including an owner’s manual, free of charge (I’m liking this company already!). The lady did tell me, however, that very few service parts for this old 1991 model were available. Luckily, I don’t see much I need to replace, other than simple things I can find locally.

The first thing that jumped out at me in the manual was petroleum jelly being suggested to lube the mast sections. The sliders look like some sort of Delrin blocks so I guess I’ll give it a try. The manual also confirmed my suspicions about someone removing the onboard battery charger in its past life, but a 10amp replacement unit should be easy to find thanks to the marine industry. It’s time to search out a used one for cheap.

After oiling all 10 chains (wow), it was time to take it for a ride. With it at loft height shown in the following picture (about 15ft), I was could get it to sway a bit and this gave me an uneasy feeling. But then I remembered how rickety the 3-tier scaffold felt the first few times I was on it - I barely felt comfortable sitting on it, much less standing on it. Now I spend entire days up there. Honestly, it moves around about half as much as the scaffold at the same height so all will be fine once I get use to it.

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Outriggers extended and stowed:

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Some pictures of the lift mast. Sure are a bunch of chains in there.

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Here are some pictures of the hydraulic compartment. The battery took a full charge and was reading about 12.8V maximum, so it might not need replacing right away.

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I have a few odds and ends on order, including some new crank handles and rubber pads for the outriggers. I also found the recommended hydraulic fluid (Mobil DTE 25) online for about the same cost the local stores have an off-brand. The guy said he just changed the fluid but I noticed the cylinder air bleed hose was missing and allowing it to vent to the atmosphere rather than the tank so it’s likely it’s already contaminated.

BTW, I started another thread about getting extra runtime out of this lift if you are interested or have some suggestions: Ideas for converting a 12VDC Hydraulic Power Pack to 110VAC?
I figured with this lift being close to wall power all the time, why not use it somehow to avoid having a dead battery in the middle of a big job.
 
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"Although the thought of urinals dancing in someone's head is maybe just a bit disturbing , Ompha should take that as great news! His persistence seems to be paying off. And any project that justifies getting some new tools should be considered a worthwhile one . "

Urinals dancing in TB's head? Sounds like he's about to go off the De(e)pend(s)! Pun intended. lol

Well, since Shopnut realizes the possibility that persistence pays off........
 

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"Although the thought of urinals dancing in someone's head is maybe just a bit disturbing , Ompha should take that as great news! His persistence seems to be paying off. And any project that justifies getting some new tools should be considered a worthwhile one . "

Urinals dancing in TB's head? Sounds like he's about to go off the De(e)pend(s)! Pun intended. lol

Well, since Shopnut realizes the possibility that persistence pays off........

HEY! I see copper roofs!! I could take care of that part. Shipping might be spendy though:lol:
 
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Omphaloskeptic - De(e)pend(s)... Good one! Those cupolas are nice.

tinbender_66 - Roofs and urinals... How much different could the fab process be? One sheds liquid, the other collects it :). Go for it man!
 
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SOME INSULATION AND DECKING FOR THE LOFT FLOOR…

First came some floor insulation. It was pretty easy, but I just had to be real careful not to step down through the vinyl between the floor joists. I must say the formaldehyde-free insulation is much better to work with - the old stuff made my nose run for some reason, even with a mask on.

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Next came the decking. Five full sheets of T&G plywood were lifted up to the loft. The rest will need to be cut to size before hoisting up there.

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Since the plywood has been sitting (actually standing) around for nearly a year, it had a pretty good curl to it. In the picture below, you can see the plywood curled up about 2” off the joist where they **** together. Although this made it easy to slide it around up there because the edges didn’t catch on joists, it’s not ideal for fastening it down. I could have dealt with it, but I was wiped out from the heat up there and decided fastening down the plywood could wait until next time. Maybe it will have flattened out some by then.

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With something substantial to stand on, I was finally able to inspect the damage done by that hoot owl last year. He/she might have made a little cozy home in there if I hadn’t chased it away. You are looking into the roof overhang on the front of the building, above the decorative door.

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My next post will show how I got the plywood up there in the first place.
 
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Nice progress. Give it time and maybe the heat can help the curls settle down.

Sounds like this was a summary and there is more to the process story...
 

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The shop alone is a great creative construction that continues to grow, but your illustrations and pictures to show your progress is perfect.
Thanks for the ideas and please don't stop.
 
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Wingnut65 - The plan was to buy that plywood and put it up in the loft within a month, but that little fall from the ladder changed all that in a instant. I'm sure I could deal with the warped board just fine, but it's nice to have time (and heat) on my side once in a while :).

There's always more to the story - but this time there's just a few hoisting shots coming up for those interested.

akdiesel - I mentioned the deal before but it still holds true today... You keep readin', I'll keep writin'. This story isn't over until the Asylum is done.

Thanks so much for such kind words - it really means a lot to me :thumbup:
 
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GETTING PLYWOOD UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR…

When I bought the man lift, I was thinking it could be used somehow to get the 4x8 sheets of plywood up to the loft. When it came time to do it, however, I resorted to my original plan of using the front hoist. It worked fairly well, but there were a few tense moments with the sheets dangling 16 ft in the air. The man lift would have been safer, but I would have needed to devise some sort of hanger.

I first strapped the plywood up while sitting on some saw horses. I lifted two sheets at a time.

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Up it goes, about 7 feet high in this picture.

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Many many pulls on the hand chain brought it to full height at about 16 feet. I REALLY need to convert the hoist to electric with one of those reversible hospital bed motors!

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At this point it was rotated 90 degrees so the scaffold could be wheeled directly underneath it.

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Plywood set down on the scaffold and the lift chain was detached.

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The scaffold with plywood on board was rolled sideways about 4 feet so the plywood could be slid into the loft, missing the main center column. I’m already wishing that column was gone - this job would have been much easier if the hoist track extended all the way back into the loft.

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And here are the goods being delivered up top.

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"HEY! I see copper roofs!! I could take care of that part. Shipping might be spendy though" - TinBender 66

Well, there you go Shopnut, the copper top is already taken care of; now all you have to do is save up for the 'postage'. lol

Now, if you ask TB66 real nice, he might even throw in the COPPER URINAL!

What would really be cool to go along with the copper topped C.U.P.O.L.A., and the COPPER URINAL would be an artsy-fartsy copper gargoyle hanging out from the gutters. The COPPER URINAL could even be plumbed to one of them; preferably not the gutter over the entry. :lol_hitti

Oh, if you go for it, you must never, never, ever use the COPPER URINAL during a THUNDERSTORM! :shocking:
 

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Hey Ompha,

Just remember - the Asylum already has a full bath so I'm probably set :). And with all of our thunderstorms, it sounds like a pretty risky accessory anyway now that you mention it. Best to steer clear of that one


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Just so long as the copper is grounded, it should be good.

I can see how that plywood levitation method would be tricky. My first thought would have been to stand them on their sides and lift from the middle. Less chance to shift weight. Glad to see all went well.
 
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Omphaloskeptic - Oh yeah. Sorry, I’ve been a little off my game the last couple of days.

Wingnut65 - I really should've cut out that rafter gusset before hoisting the plywood up there so there would've been more than 48” clearance under it. (It probably looks like more than that in the pictures.) I think then it would've slid in there far enough standing up on its edge alongside that column, while still connected safely to the hoist chain.

With it the way it is, I couldn’t figure out how to hoist it up there as you mention and then transfer it from the cantilevered section into the loft area without major risk of dropping it. I probably should've called on the brain trust (a.k.a. the GJ) to help me think it through.

I guess all’s well that ends well, but I hate to think about what damage a 50+ pound sheet of plywood could do dropping from 16ft height.
 
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THE DAY EVERY PET OWNER DREADS…

I probably wouldn’t be writing about this here if I hadn’t made the following promise to myself in one of the old threads.

I'm posting this list mainly for #10, but all are interesting to dog-lovers. Needless to say, I will be staring the next dog I put down straight in the eyes when that dreaded day comes.

A PET'S TEN COMMANDMENTS.........
1. My life is likely to last 10-15 years. Any separation from you is likely to be painful.
2. Give me time to understand what you want of me
3. Place your trust in me. It is crucial for my well-being.
4. Don't be angry with me for long and don't lock me up as punishment. You have your work, your friends, your entertainment, but I have only you.
5. Talk to me. Even if I don't understand your words, I do understand your voice when speaking to me.
6. Be aware that however you treat me, I will never forget it.
7. Before you hit me, before you strike me, remember that I could hurt you, and yet, I choose not to bite you.
8. Before you scold me for being lazy or uncooperative, ask yourself if something might be bothering me. Perhaps I'm not getting the right food, I have been in the sun too long, or my heart might be getting old or weak.
9. Please take care of me when I grow old. You too, will grow old.
10.. On the ultimate difficult journey, go with me please. Never say you can't bear to watch. Don't make me face this alone. Everything is easier for me if you are there, because I love you so.

We had to put our Zoe down on Monday and had the chance to make good on our promise. It was really tough, but we did sense an unmistakable peace in her eyes as she was taking her final breaths.

My intention isn’t to depress people with her passing, but simply celebrate her long and happy 12 year life.

Zoe was a stray puppy that the next door neighbor at the Asylum had rescued from certain death on a busy highway. Zoe was slated to go to another home a couple of days after our first introduction, but the next week’s visit out to the Asylum had shown that that plan had fallen through since she was still under the neighbor’s care. At that point she basically adopted us, but I think that is often the case.

Some pictures of Zoe as a pup (she's the white one). It's really hard to believe she was ever smaller our old black schnauzer, Chenin.

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Here she is “walking” her best bud and mentor, on the beach by the Asylum.

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After spending so much time early on with Chenin, I believe Zoe started to think she also was a 25 pound dog and could fit anywhere Chenin could. She probably out-weighed her at least 2:1 at the time this picture was taken, but the growth still wasn't over. Zoe would go on to weigh 100 lbs before she was full size.

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Their lives overlapped only a short time, and with Chenin's passing, a new dog entered our lives - Pekoe, a lab/chow mix. They were very seldom apart - Pekoe followed Zoe everywhere. She had now become the mentor. Here they are out at the lake property. I suppose the lake property always seemed like home to Zoe since she spent much time there when she was young and that is where we were first introduced.

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Here's a shot from several years ago with Zoe and Pekoe catching some rays out on the pool deck. We were fortunate over the years to find dogs that got along so well together.

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The ironic thing is that the seemingly healthy and younger Pekoe was stricken with chronic kidney (renal) failure the week before Zoe’s health started really going downhill. On Labor Day, we thought we were going the loose him first. Luckily, 2 weeks of pills, special food, and daily IV’s flushed the toxins out to where he was his happy frisky self again. It has been a miraculous turnaround and we have learned a lot about how to treat this problem. I doubt it has fixed his kidneys, but it keeps the naturally occurring toxins in his blood down to an acceptable level for him. Of course, we know his days are still numbered and we are trying to prepare ourselves for that.

Zoe was not so fortunate. She has had various health problems all her life but she had been rapidly getting worse the last three weeks - Monday she was done walking after only passing three houses down the block. A vet visit including blood work and X-rays an hour later revealed the bad news - her kidneys, pancreas, and liver were shutting down. We made the only humane decision right then and there to put her to sleep.

Here's one last picture of Zoe from about 5 months ago with that "Let me in, it's too darn hot out here for this old girl" look on her face.

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Rest in peace Zoe. Thanks for touching our lives in so many ways over the past 12 years. We will miss you dearly.
 
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SO hard to hear about this. No need to apologize to any of us about this I am certain.

My own "Sooner" (in my avatar) just turned 9 and has developed significant tumors that I know are likely to lead to an early end to his life. Just kills me to think of it but I know what you did is the right thing. Heartfelt condolences.
 

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Will Rogers once said - "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."

I'm with him. Being there at the end is the best we can do. Rest in peace Zoe.
 

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Searched online for "Rainbow Bridge". It's kinda schmaltzy but I sincerely hope at the end of our days something like this happens.

The Rainbow Bridge
inspired by a Norse legend


By the edge of a woods, at the foot of a hill,

Is a lush, green meadow where time stands still.

Where the friends of man and woman do run,

When their time on earth is over and done.

For here, between this world and the next,

Is a place where each beloved creature finds rest.

On this golden land, they wait and they play,

Till the Rainbow Bridge they cross over one day.

No more do they suffer, in pain or in sadness,

For here they are whole, their lives filled with gladness.

Their limbs are restored, their health renewed,

Their bodies have healed, with strength imbued.

They romp through the grass, without even a care,

Until one day they start, and sniff at the air.

All ears ***** forward, eyes dart front and back,

Then all of a sudden, one breaks from the pack.

For just at that instant, their eyes have met;

Together again, both person and pet.

So they run to each other, these friends from long past,

The time of their parting is over at last.

The sadness they felt while they were apart,

Has turned into joy once more in each heart.

They embrace with a love that will last forever,

And then, side-by-side, they cross over… together.
 

don long

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Thanks for sharring Zoe with us
I read the rainbow bridge poem and had to
pet my old dog who will be passing soon
so we must appreciate the time and love we get from our four legged
friends every day because soon it will be gone
 
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