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Oddly enough looks like craftsman pro or whatever line its called. Interesting. Don't see how a rebrand would help them though. And the fact its sold at sears with Stanley owns dewalt..
 

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Why do marketing people do this to their brands? Do they really think that Stanley or Proto sales won't suffer?
 

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Why do marketing people do this to their brands? Do they really think that Stanley or Proto sales won't suffer?

:confused:

proto is in an entirely different customer demographic. business to business sales and govt contracts.

hurt stanley? their name is bottom barrel entry level retail walmart/home depot. call it an upsell or premium markup.
 

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Dewalt does have a highly respected name among the general populace, I could see them shooting for a piece of Craftsman's revenue.
 

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Dewalt is owned by Stanley Back and Decker. Dewalt originally produced Radial Arm Saws. After Black and Decker bought the company they discontinued the Radial Arm Saws and started reselling their black and Decker Professional tools under the Dewalt name. Essentially they bought the brand for the name. Black and Decker did the Same with Elu, the German company that invented the plunge router. Stanley tools, which is now part of Black and Decker, has been operating under some of the same principals. Stanley actually hired a firm that specializes in Branding to see what they could put their name on. The firm, http://www.beanstalk.com/. There's a New York Times article that mentions it. The articles title, Can a Dead Brand Live Again?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/magazine/18rebranding-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"Stanley hired Beanstalk about nine years ago. Stanley conducted “consumer permission research” to try to determine where the Stanley brand could go. “I remember looking through the focus-group tests, and there was a guy who absolutely swore that he had a Stanley ladder in his garage.” Stone paused. “Stanley never made ladders.” This is an excellent example of what “brand equity” really means in the marketplace."

"In contrast to the fanatical-devotion theory, part of the point of most branding is very specifically to circumvent conscious thought."

"We’ve all seen the Stanley name, for instance. And by and large, we trust it. We have a general idea of Stanley that fits into our hardware-store purchase heuristics. But there is a great deal of imperfection and vagueness in these thought processes, and that is good news for a licensor. It suggests that there’s potential — or “permission” — for the Stanley name to migrate onto new products."

"What Beanstalk did not do when it took on Stanley as a client was recommend investing in a ladder-production facility and hiring a bunch of workers, plus a sales force to blitz potential retail channels. Stanley Works, as a company, has actually been moving in the opposite direction, closing factories and outsourcing it's manufacturing since the 1980s. Instead, Beanstalk worked out a licensing deal with Werner, which was already the biggest maker and distributor of ladders in the country. “They needed another brand because they couldn’t expand the Werner brand anymore,” Stone said. So Werner started making and selling ladders with the Stanley name on them. This gave Werner a way to get more shelf space, reach more consumers and make more sales. What it gave Stanley was its name on a new product and a licensing fee. Beanstalk has worked out many such deals, hooking up the Stanley brand with manufacturers of work gloves and boots, power generators and a variety of other things that Stanley never made (and does not make now)."

This is a list of brands Beanstalk has found "new products" for. http://www.beanstalk.com/brands/our-clients/

The list includes Stanley Tools, Black and Decker, Dewalt, Harley Davidson, Jack Daniels, Southern Comfort, and Paris Hilton. If you ever wonder why unusual products turn up from a brand you might not expect them from, this may be the reason.
 

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I have the 3 piece compound plier set. There's nothing special about them besides the color. I had been wanting some compound pliers and these just happened to come across me first.
 

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Cheap chinese garbage? Dewalt used to be decent quality...the drills and saws are from mexico and china. You can order the plastic gear that stripped out...sure..why? Buy something decent to start with.

Let's remember...stanley got their hand slapped by branding things like sockets "USA" when they were made in taiwan. Just another brand I avoid. Garbage comes in so many colors, shapes and sizes today. Great Neck, stanley, dewalt, gearwrench..the list is endless. I guess we can add crescent to the list, all chinese junk.
 

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Cheap chinese garbage? Dewalt used to be decent quality...the drills and saws are from mexico and china. You can order the plastic gear that stripped out...sure..why? Buy something decent to start with.

Let's remember...stanley got their hand slapped by branding things like sockets "USA" when they were made in taiwan. Just another brand I avoid. Garbage comes in so many colors, shapes and sizes today. Great Neck, stanley, dewalt, gearwrench..the list is endless. I guess we can add crescent to the list, all chinese junk.

I suppose all you use is snap on and its the best? People like you need to get over it. Many people love Gearwrench and don't have a single bad thing to say about them. USA made is not always the best. Everything breaks eventually. People need to quit being so snotty. Cry somewhere else dude!
 

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I suppose all you use is snap on and its the best? People like you need to get over it. Many people love Gearwrench and don't have a single bad thing to say about them. USA made is not always the best. Everything breaks eventually. People need to quit being so snotty. Cry somewhere else dude!
Gets old, doesn't it? Imported or not, GearWrench stuff is very nice. Especially for the money.

By and large, I think that MECHANICS appreciate what will get the job done in an efficient manner, hold up reasonably well and not break the bank.

Collectors and tool polishers???? Meh, not so much, I guess.:dunno:
 
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Gets old, doesn't it? Imported or not, GearWrench stuff is very nice. Especially for the money.

By and large, I think that MECHANICS appreciate what will get the job done in an efficient manner, hold up reasonably well and not break the bank.

Collectors and tool polishers???? Meh, not so much, I guess.:dunno:

Yes If I could change some things about this site it would be for people to stop the whole USA vs everything that isn't bs. And for snap on not To be the first thing that tools crammed down peoples throat when they want a suggestion for new tools. I for one am proud of my duralast stuff. Which I've used hard. Used it to remove the engine and ****** in a 89 yoder I had
Guess what?! I still have the same sockets that came in the set I bought! $24 for 3/8 metric deep and shallow in a nice easy to ready tray. If I had to start all over, duralast would exclusively fill my box. But wait, how could I get everything done if its not USA made or snap on!?!? Oh no!!!

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Many people love Gearwrench and don't have a single bad thing to say about them. USA made is not always the best. Everything breaks eventually. People need to quit being so snotty. Cry somewhere else dude!

actually, if you have used your tools for any length of time, you would know gear wrench quality has declined noticeably, and would already have a few stripped ratchet wrenches. they used to be made in taiwan, home of the modern ratchet wrench. they were pretty good.

companies only move production to china when quality is deemed not so important.
 

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actually, if you have used your tools for any length of time, you would know gear wrench quality has declined noticeably, and would already have a few stripped ratchet wrenches. they used to be made in taiwan, home of the modern ratchet wrench. they were pretty good.

companies only move production to china when quality is deemed not so important.

Nope. I have duralast. But would gladly use gear wrench or Stanley any day. Dad has a set that's taking a licking and keeps on clicking.
 

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actually, if you have used your tools for any length of time, you would know gear wrench quality has declined noticeably, and would already have a few stripped ratchet wrenches. they used to be made in taiwan, home of the modern ratchet wrench. they were pretty good.

companies only move production to china when quality is deemed not so important.

kinda makes me glad i bought most of my newtools at least 15 years ago.

nowadays there are many more choices for a less expensive, (i didnt say cheap, theres a huge difference) tool than there was in the past.
it's all in what you expect from a tool, price vs. quality
expect greatness from cheap tool, and you may be severely disappointed:sad:


i say to all the duralast /HF /great neck /kobalt /gearwrench / "insert your fav less expensive tool brand here" fanboys, more power to you.
i've had good luck with all those brands in the past, but they havent been subjected to 30 years of abuse in heavy eq shops.

some tools just simply "work" day in and day out, some dont....

if the brand choices yesterday were the same as they are today, would i have less truck branded tools, and more "off brands" ?

possibly, it's a tough call. :dunno:


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man all this usa vs china needs to stop if it works for you fine if not move along

Amen to that.

I won't comment to that directly because I do not want to get booted for political statements. All I will say is if you believe it doesn't matter if we buy from China, then you really don't understand the reality of the situation. :dunno:
 

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I won't comment to that directly because I do not want to get booted for political statements. All I will say is if you believe it doesn't matter if we buy from China, then you really don't understand the reality of the situation. :dunno:

unfortunately i do understand. And i understand where your coming from. Im all for America. but man i just wrench for fun/hobby i don't want it to be tainted with political this and that .This is my escape. i just want to wrench :thumbup:
 

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I like the U.S. vs China talk.
I was not aware the situation was that bad in regards to Craftman outsourcing.
Talk on Woot lead me to here and now I am "upgrading" my tools.


I was looking at a Dewalt 30 foot tape measure today at HD and that said Made In U.S. on the package.
 

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I'm all for buying products that are Canadian/American made... if I can afford it and it's not the biggest priority. I know a lot of people will only buy american, and that's great, it works for them. Others may be in a bind, need something right away of decent quality, but it's made in China. That works too. I don't get frustrated when others call craftsman junk because they're made in china. I'm an apprentice technician, i'm starting out with not a whole lot of money, so I buy craftsman, mastercraft, and some snap on, channellock, mac tools (flare nut wrenches and whatnot). I can't just show up to work with 10 tools in a snap on bag. I don't feel bad for buying made in china tools because they work for me, but in the future when it's feasible, I would like to buy tools that support the economy that I live in and support the homemade products.
 

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I won't comment to that directly because I do not want to get booted for political statements. All I will say is if you believe it doesn't matter if we buy from China, then you really don't understand the reality of the situation. :dunno:

unfortunately i do understand. And i understand where your coming from. Im all for America. but man i just wrench for fun/hobby i don't want it to be tainted with political this and that .This is my escape. i just want to wrench :thumbup:

Oh, I do understand. The thing is though, that ship has sailed. A loooong time ago. The whole "global economy" thing has been developing, at least to a degree, since after WWII.

It's not that I like it or don't like it, it's just how it is and me walking onto a tool truck to pay TEN TO FIFTEEN TIMES THE PRICE of what I could buy an (almost) equivalent imported tool for is not going to fix anything. That'll just make me broke(er).
 
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guys.... I posted this because this is new stuff under the Dewalt brand and was hoping for an interesting discussion on that topic, not this USA vs. China stuff... there are threads for that topic. I'm unsubscribing from this thread.. we've hashed and rehashed this USA/china too many times; bringing it up on every thread not about snap on is no longer adding any value. please consider this the next time you're about to ruin a discussion. thanks.
 
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