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This is actually my first post, but I've been lurking around for quite some time and love it here!

My wife and kids recently moved out of our starter house and onto a larger plot of land, which unfortunately only included a standard two car garage. This was actually a step backwards from what we had before - a 21x28 heated detached, which was nice, but was still a tight fit. In order to please the mrs and find a proper home for our various toys, we're planning on putting up a detached 36x50.

This is my first foray into building virtually anything, and for that reason, we're using Lester buildings to help get the basic building erected. The plan seems to be that we'll be doing all the finishing work. We'll see how it goes.
 
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So here is the basic design I came up with. In buying this house, we also agreed to following the area covenants, which specifies that our outbuilding should resemble our home. In the end, it's a great excuse to make this less like a pole barn and more like a garage and affording some creative license.

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We decided the logical place to put the building would be off the back of our driveway.

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What the illustration above doesn't show is that our propane tank was originally located in the space our building was to occupy. Why the tank was placed in the perfect location for an outbuilding, I'll never know. So out it came - moved about 40 feet away to a more suitable location.

The tank looked great for being a little over 10 years old. The anode bags really do their job well.
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New hole...
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And all finished...
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And as of last night, we have a base. Is this where you're supposed to start asking yourself if you should have gone bigger? Seems like it looked bigger when just the flags were in the ground. :headscrat

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The more you build, the smaller it gets :)

I put in a 10x16 shed last year..
flags in the ground = WOW this is gonna be a HUGE shed, why did I think we needed such a big one?

4x8 & gravel pad = boy this is gonna be a nice big size shed, should be more than enough

shed delivered = it's perfect, just right for what I want

start putting stuff in shed = how could anyone ever have such a small shed?! This thing is TINY!

36x50 sounds like a nice size though.
 
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Supplies came yesterday. We've got rain coming our way (again), so it looks like holes will be drilled Monday as opposed to starting today. Getting anxious at this point!

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I think your wrong by stating "it's unfortunate that it only came with a two car garage". If it was a littl bigger you may not be building this awesome garage.
 
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I suppose that's a good point, Nighttrain.

The crew actually did get a bit done before the rain. Holes are dug and footings poured. The inspector even came out and gave it the thumbs up, so things are going well at this point.

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Does Lester use permacolumns? Wrapped posts?

It's going to be a great looking building and a darn good size.
 
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Does Lester use permacolumns? Wrapped posts?
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Neither - just treated posts. I am happy to see that each of the three laminated 2x6s in each post are all one piece, length-wise. They are not treated on the bottom with untreated above ground, making for a joint mid way up the post.
 
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So things slowed down a bit, but are back up and running today. As of this morning, all holes were filled to the top with water, and had a nice layer of ice on them. The crew brought pumps to remedy that problem. Now I'm hearing the stacks of lumber are frozen together.

I was moderately optimistic that weather wouldn't be a huge issue, and we'd have a building before snow. I was wrong. I don't typically hire jobs out, but I'm glad I did in this case. Pics to come if I can get home before dark.
 
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We've started to make some progress. Side poles are up and girts were installed between when the pic was taken and when I got home last night.

It's a shame I'm not able to be home to see everything unfold, so wifey is keeping me up to date with frequent pics and updates. Thanks to the short days, I get to inspect everything in the dark after work. I'm sure I look nuts going around with a level and spot light in the dark.:lol:

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cmoist....Welcome to Garage Journal, and a fellow Buckeye to boot. There are quite a few members on here from Ohio and don't be surprised if a few live right around the corner from you. Hopefully your builders can kick some **** here in the next few days seeing that it is supposed to be in the 50's. If your lucky, maybe you can have it under roof by the time Santa rolls in.

Looking forward to seeing more pics. Make sure momma stays on top of the pic taking!!!! :thumbup:
 
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@Kevin54 - Thanks a ton! We're hoping for the best. It would be unreal to get under roof before the rain gets here. The contract states that the building should be erect and completely framed before the end of the year. The boys have their work cut out.

As of last night, the front two trusses were up and purlins installed. Now that I can see the roof line, I can say that THIS THING IS BIG. Not necessarily the footprint, although it should be big enough. More tall - it looks massive. There's a little bit of "oh ****" and a little bit of awe going on. Pretty cool. Pics from momma soon. :)
 
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Welcome Christian, my name is also Christian and I'm not to far, I'm in the Dayton area. We usually always go to the Golden Lamb in Lebanon for my mother's birthday.
 
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How about that. Good to meet you, Christian. Funny that since moving to Lebanon, we haven't been yet.
 
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A couple of weeks have passed and progress is being made. We've got the building completely framed:

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...and as of a few days ago, we've got most of a roof and the building is mostly wrapped. I also got a chance to start with my portion of the build (you know in addition to giving the workers a hard time). Five of the 9 windows went in without a fuss.

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The next task for me was to shape/frame the garage door ellipses in the front of the building. After toying with different arrangements in Illustrator, I settled on using a different ellipse for each door that would both be the same 9" high, from the top of the arc to the base, where it starts.

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After that, I plotted the design out on a grid (in inches), which would allow me to map the ellipse onto the sheathing of the building.

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I had the builders leave the sheathing long to account for the cutouts. Additionally, the top of the ellipse will be 1.5" below the header on the inside of the building to account for the framing that will (hopefully) be bent to fit the bottom of the ellipse.

Measured/marked ellipse on building:
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Start of cut on small door:
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And complete:
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Going to start framing/blocking in behind it soon. I could use some advice though. My plan is to relief cut a 2x6 so that I can bend to the arc on the sheathing, then block in between the header and the 2x6, like this:
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Is this feasible? I was having some trouble with the wood snapping when practicing relief cuts on scraps, but maybe I'm cutting a different depth than is ideal.

(The idea came from this pic, which I found when researching how best to achieve this)
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Or you could just lay up a stack of 3 2x12's, and cut the arc in them. To make it a full 5-1/2" thick, you'll need to add 2 layers of 1/2" thick plywood as well. Put them up temporarily, and use the cut sheathing as a guide. You could either use a sabre saw, or a router. With the router, you'd have to have it attached to the sheathing, because you'll need the cut edge of the sheathing to guide the router. Then swap out for the other pieces. With the sabre saw, you can just make a pencil line, then cut it on the bench. A router might make a cleaner cut than the sabre saw in 1-1/2" thickness though.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

@Skyline - that's close to what the builders suggested, and if it were a walk door, I'd probably go that route. I've got beef with wasting that much material (and spending the extra money that would require).

@mikefromme - using ply is probably the second best option, if this doesn't work. I'll keep toying around with scraps to see if I can get the relief cut thing to work. It's not that aggressive of a radius.
 
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cmoist said:
It's a shame I'm not able to be home to see everything unfold, so wifey is keeping me up to date with frequent pics and updates. Thanks to the short days, I get to inspect everything in the dark after work. I'm sure I look nuts going around with a level and spot light in the dark.:lol:
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I'm in the exact same boat, wonder what my neighbors think of me each night after work, must look like a burglar looking for his treasure in the dark. :lol_hitti

great looking shop so far!
 
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Gable end detail done today. It will get the same brow treatment across the back, so it won't look like a 21ft high sea of fiber-cement siding.

We got hit with about 4-5 inches overnight and they're calling for 8 more Sunday. I'm trying to get the final inside site work done asap. Hoping to be parking inside by then.

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Look'n good, fello Ohioian....

try and tape your seams of that house wrap will help moisture intrusion a lot... moisture goes from wet to dry.... unless you stop it.

and we are getting alot more snow now....
 
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very nice shop. same boat here about the garage having to look like the house, ive only got a few estimates but the people i talk to all say the cost of the footings 42" equalizes a pole barn with sheething and siding. did you have any experiance with this?
 
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@justin1795 - you're referring to building a stick building and pouring footings? No - I only ever seriously looked into building a pole building. Essentially, the sheathing and the metal siding were the same price (we used 3/4 tongue and groove). The siding was then an incremental cost.
 
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Your shop is looking great! It's going to be great to see your pics as it's finished out. I like the framing design.
 
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