The VISES of Garage Journal

Marcos45/70 · Apr 6, 2014

Marcos45/70 said:
I'm really liking that finish on your vise. What, if any is the coating on it? I have a spare that I'd like to restore with that type of finish.

Bump.

drivesitfar · Apr 6, 2014

Fretters: nice work on the little Baugh & Moss vise. did you mention that you are going to change out the main screw for it and did you have another screw the same size just laying around?

i really like the little red vise that looks like a rifle pin loader or a small cannon. Is it missing a pair of pipe jaws or was it made with the *********** since i'm not quite familiar with that one? i do like your style, but since the last two vises are your shade of purple are you ready for a blue shade or ????

cheers and i hope this one is packed better than the last ones you had shipped too.

twintech · Apr 6, 2014

metalmagpie said:
The Record no. 634 I found yesterday weighs an amazing 165 pounds! Wow, no wonder I had trouble moving it. What a friggin beast. It's just *huge*! The jaws open a full 12" and there is 5-1/2" of throat clearance between the bottom of the jaw and the top of the shank of the movable jaw. Here's a pic with a familiar object in it to give you some idea of scale:
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Hi All,

I bought one myself today! I will have it up-lifted tomorrow, should receive it on Tuesday 8th April 2014. Mine is painted in Oxford Blue like all other Record Vices, can't wait to un-pack it and feel it and use it! Will up-load some pictures as soon as possible.....This one is in the U.K.

Fretters · Apr 6, 2014

drivesitfar said:
Fretters: nice work on the little Baugh & Moss vise. did you mention that you are going to change out the main screw for it and did you have another screw the same size just laying around?

It's the little bolt & screw which retain the leadscrew and shaft which I'm changing out. You can see them in this photo:

They just look like a bit of an after-thought, if they're even original, so was going to replace them with straight, snug fit pins instead.

i really like the little red vise that looks like a rifle pin loader or a small cannon. Is it missing a pair of pipe jaws or was it made with the *********** since i'm not quite familiar with that one? i do like your style, but since the last two vises are your shade of purple are you ready for a blue shade or ????

I'll probably be going with the same colour again.

Don't have any more blue, and I haven't cracked the Brunswick open yet, so the maroon is the only active colour at the moment.

I think that's just a cast lightening measure with that recess in the lower jaw area. Not been able to find much out about that vice, but it appears Sodersfors were an old Swedish manufacturer of blacksmith equipment, so I'm guessing that was their attempt at a bench type progression of the traditional leg vice. Seems to be very little info on the company's stuff as such though. Seems anvils and leg vices were their main thing, from what I can gather.

The only ones of this type I've been able to find reference to are the one on page three of this thread and one on Ebay a few months ago over your side of the pond, (that one was dated 1920). That's all I've found about this vice so far, which is another reason why it tickled the old curiosity streak.

cheers and i hope this one is packed better than the last ones you had shipped too.

He'd be hard pushed to do any worse unless he just bags it.

My fingers definitely crossed on that front.

rmalkow2 · Apr 6, 2014

Ok, well this vise is not a name brand, its not huge or heavy but it is functional, and was one my dad used for years and it's at least made in America. So when I decided to clean up dad's old bench that I've had for many years in my garage it seemed only natural to restore the vise too.
One pic in pieces as the before shot. The others are after paint, polish and assembly.

Charles Waugh · Apr 6, 2014

Picked up a Starrett 924-1/2 on CL the other day.
Original paint, 4-1/2" smooth jaws in fine shape.

Interesting screw, it is a buttress thread (like many woodworking vises), and it has a spring pre-loader on the screw that gives zero backlash when opening the jaw.

It is a luscious piece of iron.

It's on my vise stand that holds a Parker 946 (6" jaws, 185 pounds), a Wilton C1 in like-new condition, a Wilton Baby-Bullet 2" on a ball-mount base, and a Wilton 3" that I've used for decades and love (mounted on a 2" solid shaft that can be turned and tilted).

The C1, Starrett and Baby Bullet are on a 1-1/2" thick hunk of tooling plate that is mounted on a 3" shaft in an old 10" 3-jaw chuck, so I can turn it to present any of the three vises to the front. And, because the chuck has auxiliary jaws on it that are wide, the supported area is about 10" in diameter, so I can really whack on things and not have it bounce.

I like vises.
:- )

wrenchguy · Apr 6, 2014

Charles Waugh said:
Picked up a Starrett 924-1/2 on CL the other day.
Original paint, 4-1/2" smooth jaws in fine shape.

Interesting screw, it is a buttress thread (like many woodworking vises), and it has a spring pre-loader on the screw that gives zero backlash when opening the jaw.

It is a luscious piece of iron.

It's on my vise stand that holds a Parker 946 (6" jaws, 185 pounds), a Wilton C1 in like-new condition, a Wilton Baby-Bullet 2" on a ball-mount base, and a Wilton 3" that I've used for decades and love (mounted on a 2" solid shaft that can be turned and tilted).

The C1, Starrett and Baby Bullet are on a 1-1/2" thick hunk of tooling plate that is mounted on a 3" shaft in an old 10" 3-jaw chuck, so I can turn it to present any of the three vises to the front. And, because the chuck has auxiliary jaws on it that are wide, the supported area is about 10" in diameter, so I can really whack on things and not have it bounce.

I like vises.
:- )

welcome to 750+ pages of "VICES". nice stuff u got there.

Charles Waugh · Apr 6, 2014

Here's a little better view of the 10" chuck that the tooling plate is inserted into. In this view, it's turned so the Wilton C1 is presented to the front.

drivesitfar · Apr 6, 2014

Charles: anybody that has 5 quality vises mounted so any can be used in a 6 foot square area has my attention. Nice collection and would love to hear more about how you made that vise stand for the pumpkin colored Wilton either here or on a vise stand thread i started a few months ago.

also looks like you are a new member and with that set up and all the other iron you didn't mention that is in the background you should fit in the group nicely. glad to have you aboard.

anybody else want to add some ideas on how they use several different vises in their garages or shops because some of us have a few vises we would like to use and just don't have the space in our current set ups.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237524&highlight=vise+stands

oldldh · Apr 6, 2014

Charles I like your bicycle sprocket in the last photo...

I have a Starrett 925, and you're right, it is some good iron...mine doesn't swivel, but, then, neither do I...

zkling · Apr 7, 2014

Charles Waugh said:
Here's a little better view of the 10" chuck that the tooling plate is inserted into. In this view, it's turned so the Wilton C1 is presented to the front.

Dang Charles, nice setup. Do you run a small shop? If so what type of work do you typically do. Your description of the Starrett has me lusting for one now. :lol:

rmalkow2 said:
Ok, well this vise is not a name brand, its not huge or heavy but it is functional, and was one my dad used for years and it's at least made in America. So when I decided to clean up dad's old bench that I've had for many years in my garage it seemed only natural to restore the vise too.
One pic in pieces as the before shot. The others are after paint, polish and assembly.

Looks like a winner to me. :beer:

Mark in Indiana · Apr 7, 2014

Charles Waugh said:
Picked up a Starrett 924-1/2 on CL the other day.
Original paint, 4-1/2" smooth jaws in fine shape.

Interesting screw, it is a buttress thread (like many woodworking vises), and it has a spring pre-loader on the screw that gives zero backlash when opening the jaw.

It is a luscious piece of iron.

It's on my vise stand that holds a Parker 946 (6" jaws, 185 pounds), a Wilton C1 in like-new condition, a Wilton Baby-Bullet 2" on a ball-mount base, and a Wilton 3" that I've used for decades and love (mounted on a 2" solid shaft that can be turned and tilted).

The C1, Starrett and Baby Bullet are on a 1-1/2" thick hunk of tooling plate that is mounted on a 3" shaft in an old 10" 3-jaw chuck, so I can turn it to present any of the three vises to the front. And, because the chuck has auxiliary jaws on it that are wide, the supported area is about 10" in diameter, so I can really whack on things and not have it bounce.

I like vises.
:- )

Hi Charles: Welcome to this family. What is the date stamped on the key of your Wilton No3?

Trey T · Apr 7, 2014

Wilton used in making the Most talked about Toyota FT-1

JasonJ · Apr 7, 2014

I finally decided to start the restore on my Craftsman 5196... What's the best way to clean the years of grime off of the name plaque without taking the paint off?

oldldh · Apr 7, 2014

JasonJ said:
I finally decided to start the restore on my Craftsman 5196...

At least you have one to restore...

And the "Ever Elusive" 5198 is still elusive...

As motivation...

The first photo is a "Properly Restored" 5196...

The nest two photos are an "Unrestored" mint 5196 that sold on Ebay about eight months ago...the original color, if you're leaning that way... :thumbup:

As far as the Craftsman nameplate goes...I'd say "Very Carefully"...I thought I'd try and gently strip it, and polish the plate, and then repaint the colors "Very Carefully"...

The photos I've attached, do not have the nameplate...

I personally prefer "Arrest-Me-Red"!!! :evil:

kukko · Apr 7, 2014

Here's some vise **** from the Charlotte Auto Fair:
Reed 208, really sweet Parker 234 which sold as I was standing there (good price), Simplex/Desmond Stephan (C-3 size/style), Monarch 224, various other USA / non-USA vises.

va.grouseman · Apr 7, 2014

Kukko----That is some real eye candy. Is that an annual event?

kukko · Apr 7, 2014

The auto fair happens twice a year, although the spring version is usually much better than the fall.
http://www.charlotte-autofair.com/

EOC_Jason · Apr 7, 2014

kukko said:
Here's some vise **** from the Charlotte Auto Fair:
Reed 208, really sweet Parker 234 which sold as I was standing there (good price), Simplex/Desmond Stephan (C-3 size/style), Monarch 224, various other USA / non-USA vises.

Where does he get those wonderful toys?

That Reed 208 looks pretty sweet....

454ragtop · Apr 7, 2014

Good weekend of vise hunting at the Stafford springs swap meet. Picked up the 4 shown for a grand total of $58.00. Not a big fan of exposed screw vises, but thought the art deco Parker was too cool to pass up. Have the Wilton all disassembled, it's actually in amazing shape, other than missing 1 pipe jaw and some abuse to the anvil? area. I think I'm going to swap it out with the Columbian D45 that has been a worker on my bench for more than 20 yrs.
Jim

taumac · Apr 7, 2014

I got this one Sunday.

Have a good one, Gerard

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JasonJ · Apr 7, 2014

oldldh said:
I personally prefer "Arrest-Me-Red"!!!

This is the vise that is going on my bench and it will get used... So I decided to go with powder coating so that the color holds up longer/better. And when the powder coaster asked what color ... I told him, "Red. The brightest loudest red you got.".

So while those pieces are out, my attention is on the spindle and the handle. Oh, and that name plaque.

jakemac · Apr 7, 2014

kukko said:
Here's some vise **** from the Charlotte Auto Fair:
Reed 208, really sweet Parker 234 which sold as I was standing there (good price), Simplex/Desmond Stephan (C-3 size/style), Monarch 224, various other USA / non-USA vises.

Oooooooooo - I WANT that Reed !! :drool:

McBrownie · Apr 7, 2014

rmalkow2 said:
Ok, well this vise is not a name brand, its not huge or heavy but it is functional, and was one my dad used for years and it's at least made in America.

Nice vise. My dad had an open screw vise similar to yours that I wish I still had. Enjoy it!

Fretters · Apr 7, 2014

rmalkow2 said:
Ok, well this vise is not a name brand, its not huge or heavy but it is functional, and was one my dad used for years and it's at least made in America. So when I decided to clean up dad's old bench that I've had for many years in my garage it seemed only natural to restore the vise too.
One pic in pieces as the before shot. The others are after paint, polish and assembly.

You've made a nice job of that. The coach bolt heads alignment is a typical giveaway for OCD tendencies too.

oldldh · Apr 7, 2014

I believe the "Brightest, loudest red you got..."

Is "ARREST-ME-RED"....

Absatively, posilutely the best color for your clamper...

jakemac · Apr 7, 2014

I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping. He wants $80 for the box ("good cond except some of the drawer handles are broken"), the vice, and the light. I don't really need any of them and money is tight right now, but I'm still intrigued.

Any ideas on the vise ?

zkling · Apr 7, 2014

jakemac said:
I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping. He wants $80 for the box ("good cond except some of the drawer handles are broken"), the vice, and the light. I don't really need any of them and money is tight right now, but I'm still intrigued.

Any ideas on the vise ?

Go get it. :thumbup:

That looks like a 29"+ kennedy bottom.

drivesitfar · Apr 7, 2014

Jake: the vise looks US made but with that part on top of it hard to tell which company. if it's not far go check it out because either the vise or the cabinet could easily be worth the asking price so you get the other one for profit plus the light and maybe any tools in the box.

check for cracks, welds and missing parts on the vise and tool box before you hand him the cash though.

good luck

Edit: that part on the top of the vise might be an old tape measurer, but not sure. also that cabinet looks like all the parts are there and with new handles might be a keeper and sell one of your other ones.

jakemac · Apr 7, 2014

It's at the edge of my travel range, and I'd have to make special arrangements to cover at home. Otherwise I'd already have checked it out but he hasn't emailed back with any answers. I was more curious about the vise, since I couldn't see it well in the picture. It's like an unscratched itch.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that the piece on top of the vise is a 50'-100' tape measure.

drivesitfar · Apr 7, 2014

on a little closer look magnified as far as i can after saving it to my laptop that lamp actually has some value too. that is one pretty cool looking lamp.

the vise looks like it should have a swivel option and couldn't see a pull pin or nut on the one side so might be an old vise. the rust at the base above the swivel looks a bit odd, but that thick cast on the back of the static jaw tells me maybe 40's and probably older.

box looks pretty straight except for missing handles. my 2+ cents.

GETRIDAONE · Apr 7, 2014

jakemac said:
I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping. He wants $80 for the box ("good cond except some of the drawer handles are broken"), the vice, and the light. I don't really need any of them and money is tight right now, but I'm still intrigued.

Any ideas on the vise ?

The rear top of the housing looks to be at lease 1 1/2" thick. the only ones I have like that are the ones with a swivel jaw. My large vises are not that thick except the #25 American Scale comes close.

oldldh · Apr 7, 2014

jakemac said:
I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping.... Any ideas on the vise ?[

Sure could be a swivel jaw "something or other"...

It's not any larger that 4" to 4 1/2", though...that was a SWAG...

Best I can do...

Outlawmws · Apr 7, 2014

I'm going to put my guess at 4-1/2 to 5" on the vise jaws, and I agree a swivel jaw, swivel base. no clue on maker though. 7 Drawer Kennedy, AND that cool lamp...

:hitit: :3gears:

Fretters · Apr 7, 2014

jakemac said:
I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping. He wants $80 for the box ("good cond except some of the drawer handles are broken"), the vice, and the light. I don't really need any of them and money is tight right now, but I'm still intrigued.

Any ideas on the vise ?

I'd bet you could make that money back easily just from the lamp alone.

taumac · Apr 7, 2014

Just wondering if someone knows rest of name of this vise.

Have a good one, Gerard

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HunterMike · Apr 7, 2014

Powr-Kraft

Montgomery Wards

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bigcaddy · Apr 7, 2014

jakemac said:
I've been trying to figure out what the vise in this add is, but the crappy picture isn't helping. He wants $80 for the box ("good cond except some of the drawer handles are broken"), the vice, and the light. I don't really need any of them and money is tight right now, but I'm still intrigued.

Any ideas on the vise ?

A big Athol is what it looks like to me

taumac · Apr 7, 2014

HunterMike said:
Powr-Kraft

Montgomery Wards

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Thanks for the info

Have a good one, Gerard

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rmalkow2 · Apr 7, 2014

Fretters said:
You've made a nice job of that. The coach bolt heads alignment is a typical giveaway for OCD tendencies too.

Thanks for the kind words. Funny about the bolt heads. I never actually thought about them all these years until I cleaned it up. Then I thought about all the examples in GJ and somewhat aligned them when putting it back on my bench top. I guess I can blame this thread. Now I'm looking for more vises, I think I'm infected.

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