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oldldh

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Oh to be able to swivel once more----:sad:


People used to come from miles around---:pimpflash


To watch me swivel...:rocker:


Now everything is fixed---:mad::mad:


That means non moving for you confused folks....:ninja:
 
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va.grouseman

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Joe.striper-----I called the Craftsman your eying a Reed. Should have been Rock Island. It's a nice vise but $190.00 is pretty stiff. You'd probably fair better if you had him toss it in on a package deal.
 

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Joe: if you are really going to see all those vises in person and the seller wants to sell them all then make an offer for all of them and stick a bunch of Benjamins in front of him. good luck because they look like a good group.

JS: how much does your new 8 inch vise weigh? looks like a monster. didn't it come greased and ready to use? i'm going to use TriFlow's grease, but for some reason they are ending that product so i might have bought the last of it. i do like all their other products.

Carla: post a few pictures of those swivel bases if you get a chance or if a GJ member hasn't already bought all you have. your humor is amazing and your knowledge even better. Vise as a collectable?? i can't speak for all the guys because we all have our different reasons, but i myself find an upgrade or a nice vise i want buy to maybe use and i'm just not ready to sell the one it might be replacing on the bench. not sure I've got triple digits yet, but i have a few. no 5198 or 300 pound Craftsman/Reed yet so the search continues.

All: i did find one in the wild tonight that was on my list. Wilton C2 is maybe the best vise that Wilton makes and i finally have one to sit next to my baby bullet. here's a few pictures.

i also saw a few other good vise purchases and congrats to the new owners and thanks for posting pictures. i forgot to make notes and if i turn back a few pages while posting i lose what i just wrote here. good job:thumbup:
 

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From this past weekend, left to right:
Rex 700 2" jaws, front jaw welded (brazed), missing pipe jaws, it was mounted on a home made drill press. internet searches return nothing of value
Prentiss 3" jaws, swivel base (seized), swivel jaw (siezed, but the pin comes out), no model number cast into vise body, check markings - looks to be 1920's - 1930's based on spring loaded swivel locking pin. Note: front jaw is replaceable, rear jaw is inserted - or maybe a repair and the repairer serrated the flattened jaw face.
Hollands 43 3" jaws, swivel base, swivel jaw (pin seized).
Stevens 4 3/8" jaws, how about the repair job - it is now a "side screw"

Stevens images are in the next post. Poor guy was worked pretty hard.
 

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KMScott

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From this past weekend, left to right:
Rex 700 2" jaws, front jaw welded (brazed), missing pipe jaws, it was mounted on a home made drill press. internet searches return nothing of value
Prentiss 3" jaws, swivel base (seized), swivel jaw (siezed, but the pin comes out), no model number cast into vise body, check markings - looks to be 1920's - 1930's based on spring loaded swivel locking pin. Note: front jaw is replaceable, rear jaw is inserted - or maybe a repair and the repairer serrated the flattened jaw face.
Hollands 43 3" jaws, swivel base, swivel jaw (pin seized).
Stevens 4 3/8" jaws, how about the repair job - it is now a "side screw"

Stevens images are in the next post. Poor guy was worked pretty hard.

Nice collection PghJKB in one weekend, really like the Holland and the Stevens. First one I have seen like that. Was this a auction, flea market? Good luck un freezing the two swivel jaws.
 

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JS: how much does your new 8 inch vise weigh? looks like a monster. didn't it come greased and ready to use? i'm going to use TriFlow's grease, but for some reason they are ending that product so i might have bought the last of it. i do like all their other products.


It weighs about 45 lbs. it's made from 60,000 PSI castings. Its certainly not a vintage wilton or reed, but i would say with a bit of confidence that it's the best NEW vise under $150. Yes it's more than twice what the cheapo Chinese vises cost, but it's Taiwanese and lifetime warrantied. It is the only vise I will ever "need".
 

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Nice collection PghJKB in one weekend, really like the Holland and the Stevens. First one I have seen like that. Was this a auction, flea market? Good luck un freezing the two swivel jaws.

Good Morning Mr Scott,
It was two Estate sales, The first one was a 1920's house over garage that are fairly common in Western PA. It was built into the side of a hill. The second floor shop looked like the last time anything was touched was shortly after WW2. I got the Stevens, Rex and Hollands there (and just the cast iron stand for a very early Simplex Ironer). This is the type of place I see maybe once every couple years. It was packed and if the Stevens wasn't so hard to remove I would have several more oldies.

Got the Prentiss at the second sale, this was a regular two story ranch, probably late 1950's. The Prentiss looked out of place there. Waiting outside it looked like somewhere I would find a 1960' Craftsman 51xx.

My best back to back sales in years.

I need a good image of the handle and cam for the Stevens, maybe I can do a decent restore. I know there are several earlier in this thread.

The Prentiss jaw is starting to move, progress is good. The Hollands is going to take a lot more work. It looks like it spent some of its life under some dripping water. Good candidate for the e-tank.

JKB
 

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What do you guys lubricate a vise with?

For vises that I sell: I use #2 bearing grease for the spindle and clear silacone grease for the slide. All other bare metal details will get clear coat.

For vises that I keep: #2 bearing grease for the spindle. For the slide, I use Lubriplate and periodically clean it. For all other bare metal details, I keep a light coating of oil on them.
 

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Picked this up from a customer at work got it or 25 quid about a week ago I painted it in BMC green over the weekend needs some new jaws (where can I get these?) but other than that works great
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I wanted to clutter a page with photos also. The weather is threating and this vise was not 100% finished but I'll take up some space anyway..............................................
This is a Morgan 340B and the last one that was on GJ was a few years back. I came out of the color box and painted this one something other then Black. I had a new set of 4" Morgan jaws that fit perfect. The original smoothies aren't bad. One finger for either swivel. Morgan's are so underrated to the novice. Look at the nice long support off the base that supports the slide SPECS, LENGTH, 16 1/2", HEIGHT, 9 3/4", OPENS, 4 1/2", JAWS, 4" WIDE, THROAT, 3 3/4", WEIGHT, 65 LBS.





 

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Whoo Hoo !

I finally pulled one of my post leg vises out of storage (the small one). Nearly 5 years in the new house and I still don't have a mounted vise. The bench it will go on isn't built yet, then I have to choose which vise to mount. (Reed, Athol, Parker, Craftsman :willy_nil ????) I couldn't stand it any longer and decided to go get my portable leg vise from when I was blacksmithing.

I have no idea who made it. The jaws are 3-1/4" and it stands about 36" tall without the base. The stand is a 4x6 that I pulled out of an old barn with rough cut 2x4 feet and braces from the same source.

Welcome home old friend.
 

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Picked this up from a customer at work got it or 25 quid about a week ago I painted it in BMC green over the weekend needs some new jaws (where can I get these?) but other than that works great
Not sure where you're from (assuming England) but you can get Record brand jaws from Acklands-Grainger in Canada.
 
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joe.striper

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Joe.striper-----I called the Craftsman your eying a Reed. Should have been Rock Island. It's a nice vise but $190.00 is pretty stiff. You'd probably fair better if you had him toss it in on a package deal.


I met a great guy today and bought a couple vises. The big Craftsman was nice but I had a limited budget. The one I really wanted was the Grand, thats a cool vise and although the jaws have a slight chip and very small crack this one stays with me.. I also picked up a Morgan 135 that needs cleaning up. The seller specialized in hand tools so I got a couple much needed Craftsman rachet. Best part was telling the seller about Garage Journal and all you misanthropes. I expect he'll be on here soon.

He had some very nice fixed base stuff but as you know, I'm a greasy swiveler!!

paid $40 each for the vises, 10 each for the ratchets. I'm happy.

On the way back on the ferry I bought a 1930 vintage Parker 974 1/2 in excellent condition for $80. :)

It is a good day.
 

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Fretters

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I used some of the red "hi temp disk brake and wheel bearing grease" but it still isn't smooth. I think I need something with graphite in it.

A vice should run quite smoothly even with no lubrication. If it's feeling rough, (are you referring to the leadscrew or the slide surfaces?), you likely have burrs or ridges somewhere. Lubrication is an extra to reduce wear, but shouldn't be required to make it work smoothly. Same as Jason, I use thick grease on the leadscrew and nut, (I lather quite a bit on the screw and nut as it allows it to creep over time), and then usually just oil on the slides.
 

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Picked this up from a customer at work got it or 25 quid about a week ago I painted it in BMC green over the weekend needs some new jaws (where can I get these?) but other than that works great

Nice choice of colour, and a good price too. Those jaw inserts look like they're in fairly good nick as is?
 

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Carla, you wouldn't happen to have a base for a 4" Palmgren would you? I've got one san's base....

No, that I haven't.

It would, however, be a simple matter to make up an 'adapter plate' from a suitable size of round 'burn-out' of, say, 1/2 to 3/4" plate steel, to adapt the Palmgren vise to an Anglock swivel base.

This would be significantly stronger than was the original Palmgren swivel.

If you'd like to try it, I'll do you a 'deal' on one of the 6" Anglock bases.....maybe trade for a small collection of rusted/reclaimable small box or combination wrenches of old good American make, which I could use as part of an 'on-vehicle' kit?......I did have enough of such, but, awhile back, some creepy little hoodlums broke the lock on the tool-box on one of my Rovers, and stole the tool kit)

(I'm just guessing, of course, but I'd imagine you'd have plenty of those on hand, from garage/estate sales....or have you any other low-value oddment I could maybe use?)

cheers

Carla
 

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Good call Oldie on the crack. did you notice it is a swiveler without a swivel?

Fretters: a lot of the guys working with those old vises used that back part of the slide as an anvil. so design flaw or abuse? I've seen so many good braze jobs on here for that crack that even though i wouldn't pay very much for a vise like that i might buy one if it was cheap enough and see about restoring it.

i do like the swivel jaw on that Parker even though the swivel base is missing.
 

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Fretters: a lot of the guys working with those old vises used that back part of the slide as an anvil. so design flaw or abuse?

I'd guess flaw, personally. The amount of times I've seen that on ones posted on here, and with it being of such consistency definitely suggests a flaw, in my book. It may have been set off by someone bashing away, but the weakness must be there for it to happen in such a consistent manner.
 

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Look what I found at work today:
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Now I just have to convince the powers that be that I can find a suitable replacement and swap them out.:evil:
 

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Carla: post a few pictures of those swivel bases if you get a chance or if a GJ member hasn't already bought all you have. your humor is amazing and your knowledge even better. Vise as a collectable?? i can't speak for all the guys because we all have our different reasons, but i myself find an upgrade or a nice vise i want buy to maybe use and i'm just not ready to sell the one it might be replacing on the bench. not sure I've got triple digits yet, but i have a few. no 5198 or 300 pound Craftsman/Reed yet so the search continues.
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Hi DIF,

Well, macgee's photo above should suffice.....the Anglock swivel bases all look like that one, except that his is shiny new, and the ones I have here are 'grungy' from long storage. If anyone is actually interested in trying this adaptation, I'll take some measurements and post them here......what matters is the distance between the binder bolts, and the O.D. of the mount surface of the base.

An Anglock base should be more than strong enough to serve as an 'adapted' swivel for a bench vise.......imagine one used on, for example, a light pattern Cincinnati 16" shaper, which puts 5hp on a single-point tool-bit., or, say, a #2 size K&T mill, which would put 5 or 7-1/2hp on a milling cutter......that loading is quite a bit more than the usual small bench vise would ever see, with the exception of 'lump-hammer Harry' and his mates, who will break any bench vise, sooner or later.

I have more than enough bench vises for any need I might ever have, so I've not the least bit of motivation to convert a fixed-base one to swivelling, but it seems possible that someone who now already has a nice fixed base vise, and wants a swivelling one, could use one of these bases for the adaptation.

Its purely a hobbyist idea, of course.....a cheap way to have a swivelling vise, if one now has one of the good British vises, and would prefer it to swivel.......which is indeed useful, for the generality of bench work.

Kevin Scott could, quite easily, make up the 'adaptor plates' on his CNC mill, from a drawing, but I've no idea as to whether he'd be willing to do that.

The 'T-slot bolts' needed are an 'off-the-shelf' item from any good supply hous

edited........in the pre-CNC era, when countless thousands of small parts were made on manual mills of the Bridgeport class, those bases were commonly used as a convenient mounting for 'expendable tooling', meaning that they were a good holder for a piece of aluminium tooling-plate, which would have 'nests' milled for workpieces, and tapped holes for clamping, with Destacos or improvised strap-clamos. This was a 'cheap, quick, and dirty' class of fixturing used for repetitive operations, in which one part feature would be milled, drilled, c'bored, or tapped, whilst held accurately in the fixture 'nest'......one part after another......low-wage machine operators would go bonkers from the boredom on thousand-part runs.

cheers

Carla
 
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Look what I found at work today:
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Now I just have to convince the powers that be that I can find a suitable replacement and swap them out.:evil:

Yeah, that thing is crappy and no good, the company would be better served with a new vise. I mean come on just look at that tiny anvil and weird round shape of a vise. It's gotta go
 

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Yeah, that thing is crappy and no good, the company would be better served with a new vise. I mean come on just look at that tiny anvil and weird round shape of a vise. It's gotta go

Someone else speaks three languages, besides me---


English, Profanity, and SARCASM!!!


:rocker::rocker:
 

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I wanted to clutter a page with photos also. The weather is threating and this vise was not 100% finished but I'll take up some space anyway..............................................
This is a Morgan 340B and the last one that was on GJ was a few years back. I came out of the color box and painted this one something other then Black. I had a new set of 4" Morgan jaws that fit perfect. The original smoothies aren't bad. One finger for either swivel. Morgan's are so underrated to the novice. Look at the nice long support off the base that supports the slide SPECS, LENGTH, 16 1/2", HEIGHT, 9 3/4", OPENS, 4 1/2", JAWS, 4" WIDE, THROAT, 3 3/4", WEIGHT, 65 LBS.








im taking notes!
 

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OK Just got back from a sale via a Craigslist ad .
I did the stupidest,dumbest,most foolish thing I could ever do.
While picking through the tools I find a Wilton Pow-r-arm 301 and blurt out
"that's worth way more than the $10 you have it tagged at":shocking:

I did a quick Google Search after the fact and find out they sell for $200-$300 on Ebay....F'me ....shoulda just learned to shut up ,buy the damned thing and my whole purchase would have been free and doubled my money...aaarrrghhh!!!


Anybody wanna come over and give me a swift kick in the a$$.
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