International 4 x 4 truck & Fire Unit Trailer.

HOTFR8 · Mar 18, 2009

Back in January (2009) this year this became a new project for me with the decision to cancel the registration and put it onto a permit type registration ( read as a saving of $$$). Having two truck projects on the go has not been easy but this one as it is now on a permit to drive I can take my time with whilst I concentrate on the F4 > project.http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10871&showall=1

Any way back to the 1969 C1300 4x4 International. These trucks used the same cabs in Australia as Dodge owned by Chrysler Australia at the time who later became Mitsubishi Australia. This one was an Ex Country Fire Authority Fire Tanker. I still have the tanker unit and it is now mounted on a trailer. I removed the tank etc. years ago and put the tray on the back. The truck has been set up with extractors and dual electric fuel pumps as petrol (gas) vaporised in the heat. I also set it up to run on LPG (propane) as that is a cheaper fuel here.

Here I have the front wheels off ready to bead blast paint and fit new tyres (tires

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One wheel done. Six to go. Photo does not do the paint job any justice. I can tell you the wheel looks better than this photo. I think I took this photo on my phone.

Front back on its wheels. Five wheels to go.

All done and back on its wheels.

I have also mounted two extra spare wheels on the back tray ( under the cover ) and redone all the suspension. Next on the to do list is some of the body work but that has to wait whilst I now finish the F4. :bounce:

tdkkart · Mar 18, 2009

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Hmmm, Internationals were as bad or worse than AMC's for using all kinds of different parts, never knew for sure what you'd find when you opened one up, however at least over here they did use their own sheetmetal.
Good old trucks though, tough as a rock.
A kid I knew hit an international pickup with his Monte Carlo, nearly took the whole side off the car, you had to look for the damage to the truck...........

nissan_crawler · Mar 18, 2009

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tdkkart said:
Hmmm, Internationals were as bad or worse than AMC's for using all kinds of different parts, never knew for sure what you'd find when you opened one up, however at least over here they did use their own sheetmetal.
Good old trucks though, tough as a rock.
A kid I knew hit an international pickup with his Monte Carlo, nearly took the whole side off the car, you had to look for the damage to the truck...........

Internationals aren't fast or pretty, but you can drive them off a cliff and keep on going.

I'm still amazed how the dump trucks move with a 345 in them.

HOTFR8 · Mar 18, 2009

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The interesting thing is an Italian company by the name of Iveco now own what is left of International trucks in Australia and some time ago when I needed parts ( bonnet hinges ) thay came listed under a Mitsubishi part number.

sammerdog · Mar 18, 2009

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They imported Ivecos into the States back in the early 90's. Parts were the biggest hiccups as Iveco would source parts from a different manufacturer and/or country just about monthly as exchange rates varied across Europe. Seems like each darn truck was VIN specific to order for.

HOTFR8 · Mar 18, 2009

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nissan_crawler said:
Internationals aren't fast or pretty, but you can drive them off a cliff and keep on going.

I'm still amazed how the dump trucks move with a 345 in them.

It is the way they are geared and as mine is 4x4 60MPH is pushing it very hard.

sammerdog said:
They imported Ivecos into the States back in the early 90's. Parts were the biggest hiccups as Iveco would source parts from a different manufacturer and/or country just about monthly as exchange rates varied across Europe. Seems like each darn truck was VIN specific to order for.

I can understand that :rolleyes2

. How do you think I like looking for parts and having to look at Mitsubishi part numbers.

HOTFR8 · Jan 18, 2011

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I have started back on this project again this week now that my F4 Freighter project is going and been on the road for just over 12 months.

I started by removing the canvas back and then bull bar, Aerial etc. in preparation to remove the tray for a full steam clean ready for the cabin to have all rust removed and resprayed on PMG Red. I will add some photos as I progress.

Scout Driver · Jan 18, 2011

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If I lived a little closer, I'd drop by and give you a hand. That's a great International that you have. I'm looking forward to more progress updates. :thumbup:

Scott

HOTFR8 · Jan 18, 2011

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Sadly finding a lot of rust. Being an ex Fire truck. Will post some photos when the tray comes off.

blue dog · Jan 18, 2011

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My first car was a international travelall, Loved it, we took that thing surfing all over the west coast for many years. Wish i still had that one, rarely see them anymore.

RustFarmer · Jan 18, 2011

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The cab on your truck was designed by International Harvester in the United States. First used in 1957 on the A line (A for 50 year Anniversary). The A line cab was used in the US through 1977 on the Loadstar and as late as 1985 (possibly later) in Turkey and Mexico.

ratdoggy · Jan 18, 2011

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sammerdog said:
They imported Ivecos into the States back in the early 90's. Parts were the biggest hiccups as Iveco would source parts from a different manufacturer and/or country just about monthly as exchange rates varied across Europe. Seems like each darn truck was VIN specific to order for.

The cabover without the tilt cab....Oh the joy of working on those :wtf:

bgott · Jan 18, 2011

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What engine does it have?

Plombob · Jan 19, 2011

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We had two 4x4 Travelalls. A 1962 and a 1971. They were great! Never rode in a more comfortable vehicle.

That's a great truck! Good luck on the resto!

HOTFR8 · Jan 19, 2011

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RustFarmer said:
The cab on your truck was designed by International Harvester in the United States. First used in 1957 on the A line (A for 50 year Anniversary). The A line cab was used in the US through 1977 on the Loadstar and as late as 1985 (possibly later) in Turkey and Mexico.

Dodge and International used the same Cabs here in Australia with only minor changes.

bgott said:
What engine does it have?

Stock Inline 6, 281 Cubic Inch only changes being extractors as the stock exhaust manifolds cracked easily. Twin electric fuel pumps as it stopped fuel vaporisation in fires. I have also converted it to LPG (propane).

HOTFR8 · Jan 27, 2011

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Photos as promised.

A day and a halfs work to remove the tray as well as the LPG tank etc.

A good steam clean and as you can see the front is off an rust removal has started.

The tray came of very easily with a Fork lift. It will also need some work to tidy it up.

jabberwoki · Jan 27, 2011

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Hey matie how about a big inter v8 i think they had one that was close to 400ci

TireTracks · Jan 28, 2011

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Very nice. I love Ih.

TireTracks · Jan 28, 2011

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jabberwoki said:
Hey matie how about a big inter v8 i think they had one that was close to 400ci

Every IH motor used in the 1970's-

196 4cyl
232 I6
258 I6
304 v8
345 v8
392 v8
400 v8
401 v8
404 v8
406 I6
446 v8
450 I6
475 v8
501 v6
537 v8
549 v8
605 v8.

The 605 made 446ftlbs at 2000rpm with a 7.5:1 comp ratio and a 4bbl. The 501 I6 made 451 ftlbs at 1400rpm with a 4bbl.

The bore on the 605 is 4.625x stroke of 4.50". the 501 had a 4.5" bore X 5.25" stroke.

HOTFR8 · Jan 28, 2011

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jabberwoki said:
Hey matie how about a big inter v8 i think they had one that was close to 400ci

No, this one is a Restoration. When I purchased it about 15 years ago it had just over 16000 miles on it and had been rebuilt from the ground up three times. Not sure how many miles I have on it now but I am not about to modify this one in any way.

TireTracks said:
Every IH motor used in the 1970's-

196 4cyl
232 I6
258 I6
304 v8
345 v8
392 v8
400 v8
401 v8
404 v8
406 I6
446 v8
450 I6
475 v8
501 v6
537 v8
549 v8
605 v8.

The 605 made 446ftlbs at 2000rpm with a 7.5:1 comp ratio and a 4bbl. The 501 I6 made 451 ftlbs at 1400rpm with a 4bbl.

The bore on the 605 is 4.625x stroke of 4.50". the 501 had a 4.5" bore X 5.25" stroke.

Edited info and Corrected info - Mine is a 281ci Inline six. Going by the engine number and I should add it is a 1969 model.

HOTFR8 · Jan 30, 2011

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As the tray is now off the LPG (propane) tank had to come off as well. The truck is dual fuel Petrol (gas) & LPG (propane). The LPG tank was a little rusty on the outer and needed a clean up so over the weekend it was primed and painted truckie chrome. it is now ready to go back once the tray is cleaned up as it will need some paint as well.
Will post photos later.

HOTFR8 · Jan 30, 2011

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As promised.

Looks better than it was before. Behind that is the bull bar that will be cleaned up later.

fringeofinsanity · Jan 30, 2011

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Ah yes, this should be a good read. I've had 3 IH's and they're just great trucks that keep going, just like an old Timex.

wafrederick · Jan 30, 2011

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Some of the parts on an IH are obsolete.Had a scout with a bad input shaft which was a customers and found out this input shaft was obsolete.Could not find one at all.With the V8,have to make sure the oil delivery holes in the cylinder heads are not clogged up preventing oil starvation.There are conversion kits to put in a small block Chevy in IHs

HOTFR8 · Feb 1, 2011

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Most parts can still be found here. I have not had any problems with obsolete parts as yet. these are a popular truck and many farmers still use the two wheel drive versions for grain haulage. Decided to remove the under chassis spare wheel carrier and do away with it now I have two spare wheel mounts on the tray. The wind up mechanism had to be fixed and chanined in place to the tray and chassis and looked untidy. Rust has been found in the most unusal places as it was a fire truck much of the water has got in through the vents and windows etc.

SCscoutguy · Feb 1, 2011

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wafrederick said:
Some of the parts on an IH are obsolete.Had a scout with a bad input shaft which was a customers and found out this input shaft was obsolete.Could not find one at all.With the V8,have to make sure the oil delivery holes in the cylinder heads are not clogged up preventing oil starvation.There are conversion kits to put in a small block Chevy in IHs

Most parts for transmission's that are 40+ years old are obsolete. There is no problem with IH SV engine oil delivery holes that any other 30+ year old engine doesn't have. There are kits to put SBC's in just about everything but I don't know why you would want to do a downgrade on your IH truck by swapping one in.

wafrederick · Feb 1, 2011

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Even this was said on an episode of Extreme 4x4,Ian Johnson said to check the oil holes in the cylinder heads if they are clogged up and built a 345 for the Scout project.Some must convert them to small block chevys since they are dirt cheap to build and can get parts for them easily.

NUTTSGT · Feb 1, 2011

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It looks like you have your work cut out for you. I like the fact that it's dual fuel.

SCscoutguy · Feb 1, 2011

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wafrederick said:
Even this was said on an episode of Extreme 4x4,Ian Johnson said to check the oil holes in the cylinder heads if they are clogged up and built a 345 for the Scout project.Some must convert them to small block chevys since they are dirt cheap to build and can get parts for them easily.

That is something you do on just about any engine of that age. It isn't a specific problem when it comes to IH SV engines. You can get any part you need for a SV engine as there are a TON of them still in every day service in medium and heavy duty vehicles. A IH SV engine will routinely last well over 300k miles and it isn't unheard of for them to go 400k+ without a rebuild. They had the highest nickel content of any production US made block from any manufacturer.

HOTFR8 · Feb 2, 2011

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Scout Driver said:
If I lived a little closer, I'd drop by and give you a hand. That's a great International that you have. I'm looking forward to more progress updates.

Scott

I would take you up on that offer if you where closer.

fringeofinsanity said:
Ah yes, this should be a good read. I've had 3 IH's and they're just great trucks that keep going, just like an old Timex.

Or like the Energizer Bunny as they just keep going and going. Mechanicaly it is still very sound and another reason why I would not swap engines.
When I purchased it (some 15 years ago :headscrat

) it had 16000 miles on it now it has over 45000 miles on it.

NUTTSGT said:
It looks like you have your work cut out for you. I like the fact that it's dual fuel.

Panel shop will have most of the work now until it is time for it to go back together. The Dual fuel is great as it gives me scuh good range when traveling.

HOTFR8 · Feb 8, 2011

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Progressing slowly and finding

a lot of rust.

This piece of metal has been cut from the roof.

You can see it has had a repair done before by the weld lines and sadly this is what we found underneath the so called repair.

Yes the repair had simply been welded over the rust and none of the rust cut out at all. Will all be fixed correctly this time. Hopefully ready for paint by the end of the week.

e-tek · Feb 9, 2011

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I've seen LOTS of repairs like that over the years! Often, guys would just grind it back and start the patch just behind the rust....plus in "the old days", rust was not normally treated - other than with a grinder. A patch was just welded over top, then filler to bridge the gap.

Great work so far! Just make sure you treat underneath (and the back-sides) with some rust paint and/or weld-thru primer!

HOTFR8 · Feb 9, 2011

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Thanks for the hints Ed. It could have been rust treated many many years ago.

HOTFR8 · Mar 8, 2011

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The cab was being masked up today so hopefully I will have some photos of it in primer soon. It has been painted in Acrylic lacquer and this time it will be done in Two Pack so a lot of preparation for paint.

In the meant time I have decided it was best I do the fuel (petrol) tank with a rattle can as it will be easier for me to touch up in the future.

I also have a home made fuel lock that fits over the cap and simply uses a padlock.

You can see the sleeve is held on by the cap. Once the cap is on the cover goes over that and is locked in place.

A simple way to lock up fuel with a tank that has an old style screw on fuel cap.

HOTFR8 · Mar 10, 2011

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This is the cab (10th March) late in the day here.

dadsEH · Mar 10, 2011

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HOTFR8 said:
This is the cab (10th March) late in the day here.

Ya gotta put gold pinstripping on it for sure !!!

Sick Puppy · Mar 10, 2011

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dadsEH said:
Ya gotta put gold pinstripping on it for sure !!!

Or how about a white racing stripe on one side of the bonnet! :bounce:

Seriously, that is looking good!

dadsEH · Mar 10, 2011

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Sick Puppy said:
Or how about a white racing stripe on one side of the bonnet! :

Mate, it's a truck, not an EnZed F1!!... LOL!!!

HOTFR8 · Mar 10, 2011

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No pinstriping as this is a restoration. Will look better when the chrome trim etc. goes back on and the grille is fitted back in the off white color.

EuroVt · Mar 11, 2011

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HOTFR8 said:
No pinstriping as this is a restoration.

I like your style. Don't listen to all the 'you should do....'. No frills Original is the way to go.

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