Outlawmws
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Somewhat of a solution to that is to tee that shelves off the wall so you have access from both sides...
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Somewhat of a solution to that is to tee that shelves off the wall so you have access from both sides...
drivesitfar
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Joe: get a LITTLE LYON 550 pound cabinet that has doors and 5 shelves that hold 2000 pounds each or a few of them in YOUR case. that way she sees cabinets and not vises growing everywhere. also when you put them all over town and sort or here and there like I do even I don't know how many I own so I KNOW my AWESOME BRIDE doesn't. cheers and the shelves look great not to mention I do like a stack of anvils and can't say I own even one currently. I wouldn't recommend a storage unit because who wants a payment, but if you keep buying vises by the semi loads you might want to get one to save your marriage.
BASIK: some of the swivel pins had tapered heads and if you don't have that or the ability to make one can you just put a nut or an acorn nut on top of the threads the have the piece to secure your swivel? there are maybe a few other options and i'm sure you'll find one you like.
Csaw: electrolysis, wire wheeling, paint remover, and many other options and others here remove paint off these old vises daily and maybe they'll chime in. there is a great thread about Electrolysis called HOMEMADE electrolysis that has a lot of information and it's easy to do if you want to give it a try. just ask if you need any help or have any questions either here on the 101 or Homemade thread.
JReb: thanks for the 411 and my little Palmgren won't bolt down to my little Canady Otto drill presses platform so i'll have to clamp it or use it on my other drill press. I think the Versa vise might get some action soon because i'm building a fence and the youtube video showing how to use it looks like it might be perfect for some jobs.
ALL: wasn't the Parker's part holding the main screw in the dynamic made of bronze and not brass?
thanks to all who have added vise company histories to the vintage vise company thread and hope others will add their favorite vise companies or even ones they just happen to find information on over on that thread I almost forgot I started several months ago.
also for those of you that have a ton of catalog pages for vise companies post up the pages over there on that history thread if you have time and want to.
thanks
BASIK: some of the swivel pins had tapered heads and if you don't have that or the ability to make one can you just put a nut or an acorn nut on top of the threads the have the piece to secure your swivel? there are maybe a few other options and i'm sure you'll find one you like.
Csaw: electrolysis, wire wheeling, paint remover, and many other options and others here remove paint off these old vises daily and maybe they'll chime in. there is a great thread about Electrolysis called HOMEMADE electrolysis that has a lot of information and it's easy to do if you want to give it a try. just ask if you need any help or have any questions either here on the 101 or Homemade thread.
JReb: thanks for the 411 and my little Palmgren won't bolt down to my little Canady Otto drill presses platform so i'll have to clamp it or use it on my other drill press. I think the Versa vise might get some action soon because i'm building a fence and the youtube video showing how to use it looks like it might be perfect for some jobs.
ALL: wasn't the Parker's part holding the main screw in the dynamic made of bronze and not brass?
thanks to all who have added vise company histories to the vintage vise company thread and hope others will add their favorite vise companies or even ones they just happen to find information on over on that thread I almost forgot I started several months ago.
also for those of you that have a ton of catalog pages for vise companies post up the pages over there on that history thread if you have time and want to.
thanks
Rileysan
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It's been awhile since I posted here but the dry spell is over. I picked up this Parker 88 Friday for $50. Missing a pipe jaw and the lock-down handle.
The seller was kind enough to hold it for a few days until we could meet in a place much closer than the 100 miles between our homes. Made my week
Brian
The seller was kind enough to hold it for a few days until we could meet in a place much closer than the 100 miles between our homes. Made my week
Brian
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drivesitfar
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Riley: WELL DONE. I bet with the access to nice mills and lathes that you might have time to carve out a replacement for the missing pipe jaw and swivel base lock down handle. nice vise and not no little thing either and glad you worked it out with a very nice CL seller. I can't recall which member just made jaws for his Parker 88, but i'm sure somebody might have one to get you measurements from because i'm pretty sure I saw an 88 with all it's vise's 3 pipe jaws in it. all the pipe jaws are not MIA or in Area 51.
ALL: I picked up a little wood workbench that happened to have a nice little Dunlap wood vise on it yesterday. I'll have to get some pictures to post at another time and the bench and vise will probably be part of a housewarming gift to my daughter and son in law if and when they buy a new home which might be any day now because they've been looking and making good progress towards finding one.
have a great week all
ALL: I picked up a little wood workbench that happened to have a nice little Dunlap wood vise on it yesterday. I'll have to get some pictures to post at another time and the bench and vise will probably be part of a housewarming gift to my daughter and son in law if and when they buy a new home which might be any day now because they've been looking and making good progress towards finding one.
have a great week all
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by PghJKB.
I have a good deal of info on Fulton, Lowville, Atlas, Oswego, International NuTyp Tool, and Sawyer. All these entities are tied to Edwin Fulton.
Am in the process of trying to put this info together. It is difficult doing this type of research on-line due to copyright laws. Once I have it in a presentable form, I will post it into Drives Vise Manufacturers thread.
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Very interesting stuff Pgh.---Looking forward to the read.---And thanks for your time spent on all the research you do.
I have a good deal of info on Fulton, Lowville, Atlas, Oswego, International NuTyp Tool, and Sawyer. All these entities are tied to Edwin Fulton.
Am in the process of trying to put this info together. It is difficult doing this type of research on-line due to copyright laws. Once I have it in a presentable form, I will post it into Drives Vise Manufacturers thread.
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Very interesting stuff Pgh.---Looking forward to the read.---And thanks for your time spent on all the research you do.
va.grouseman
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Joe, vise collecting is the opposite of war.---Divided you win, together you loose.
And it's a lot quieter around the home-20 if you scatter them.
And it's a lot quieter around the home-20 if you scatter them.
CRSINMICH
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1894 VISE & DRILL COMBO: This is an excerpt from the 1894 Illustrated Catalogue Of Railway and Machinists Tools and Supplies. I'm also going to post it on the repair thread. I remember that a few times members have posted pictures of vises with extra holes. This is one explanation for that.
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Well the demand for good USA vises is still out there. Took a bunch of vises and sold my Wilton 9500, Ridgid Simplex 51 and an ugly Athol and several utility and small open screw vises for good money at Pate Auto Swap Meet in Fort Worth. Now I have cash to hunt for more vises LOL.
CrotalusAtrox
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Slow for Vises this weekend in AZ and there are a lot of guys buying them. I did find a little one and painted up a Craftsman, it came out ok..
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drivesitfar
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BB: if you can get vises to pay for your gas and some fun and new purchases then you have my and probably all our blessings.
CRS: thanks very much for adding the vise histories and catalog pages on the history thread and here. nothing better than 100 year old ads and old vise information.
JKB: I agree if there is any way to get some of the AWESOME information out of your head onto one of these threads i'm all for it. thanks for taking the time and helping all of us.
VA: JOE is young, but he's a quick learner and the FORCE will come to him eventually like it did for you and some of the rest of us. he does seem to be in a place where he seems to get any vise he wants at any price and wouldn't surprise me if he finds a few more on the ground for free or sitting in his driveway when one of his Minions drops it off. the man is a legend in his own mind and it keeps growing and maybe he is too especially his muscles lifting 300 pound anvils here and there.
CRS: thanks very much for adding the vise histories and catalog pages on the history thread and here. nothing better than 100 year old ads and old vise information.
JKB: I agree if there is any way to get some of the AWESOME information out of your head onto one of these threads i'm all for it. thanks for taking the time and helping all of us.
VA: JOE is young, but he's a quick learner and the FORCE will come to him eventually like it did for you and some of the rest of us. he does seem to be in a place where he seems to get any vise he wants at any price and wouldn't surprise me if he finds a few more on the ground for free or sitting in his driveway when one of his Minions drops it off. the man is a legend in his own mind and it keeps growing and maybe he is too especially his muscles lifting 300 pound anvils here and there.
I finally had to get one after see all of these. I picked this up this weekend for $50. It is a Hollands 25 H & measures 5" across the jaws & opens 10". I could not find any info on the 25 H model. Do you think this was a good deal?
If the non-replaceable jaws are in good shape, you did fine.
joe.striper
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Hmmmm...i looked closely and I hope that isn't a crack and/or repair i seev where the dynamic meets the shaft. if it isn't then that is a very good price.I finally had to get one after see all of these. I picked this up this weekend for $50. It is a Hollands 25 H & measures 5" across the jaws & opens 10". I could not find any info on the 25 H model. Do you think this was a good deal?
CRSINMICH
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carlojoel: I've been going through a lot of old vise ads that last few days. Here are a couple of pages from a Hollands catalog that might be of interest to you. There is a model 25 but it doesn't specify 25H. I have a No 25.5H and it's my favorite one to use. I think you did very well. Notice on the picture that the swivel lock nut on yours is different. It can be replaced with something more accurate. Terrific vise and welcome to the thread.
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joe.striper
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Funny you say that, my neighbor who sold me the Emmert pattern makers vise a couple of weeks ago dropped off a very nice complete and clean 4" blacksmith vise on Saturday that I bought for $50.00.
I offered it to Veeps as he always wanted one but he hasn't responded yet. Its raining hard here so no pics yet, but soon.drivesitfar
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CARL: I saw the same flaw Joe sees on the dynamic jaw. for the price you paid you still did ok, but if that isn't an old weld you did very well. can you pull out the dynamic jaw all the way (front moving jaw). just unscrew and it will keep coming out and just don't let it drop. then turn it upside down and you might see a weld on the inside if it really is a weld. or by using a wire brush and some simple green or even WD 40 you might see if it's a weld where we see it.
Joe: Let the FORCE BE WITH YOU.
Joe: Let the FORCE BE WITH YOU.
zoomieport
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scooternut
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Thank you for the catalog pics. Was hoping to date the Hollands vises. Any ideas as I've recently found a nice one?
CRSINMICH
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scooternut: I'm sorry I can't help you date your vise. I can tell you that it can't be before 1887 when the company was founded. If you posted a picture and the model number of your vise someone else may be able to help you.
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CRSINMICH
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A POSSIBLE ANSWER TO THE DISAPPEARING PIPE JAW MYSTERY
While I was looking for information for scooternut I found this page of a 1923 catalog. Notice that Hollands made their pipe jaws so that it was not necessary to remove them in order to use the vise for something else. They also made them to be interchangeable with each other. Clever guys! Of course, this is only an explanation of why they are missing. It doesn't say a thing about where they are.
While I was looking for information for scooternut I found this page of a 1923 catalog. Notice that Hollands made their pipe jaws so that it was not necessary to remove them in order to use the vise for something else. They also made them to be interchangeable with each other. Clever guys! Of course, this is only an explanation of why they are missing. It doesn't say a thing about where they are.
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exmaxima1 - The jaws don't look to bad but I will see after I get the grinder to it.
joe.striper - I think it is just the picture but I will double check it.
drivesitfar - I will pull it apart & double check it. I will add more pictures. I saw your thread on vise repair. I will be reading this.
CRSINMICH - Thanks for the info! I really like to find out info on older tools.
joe.striper - I think it is just the picture but I will double check it.
drivesitfar - I will pull it apart & double check it. I will add more pictures. I saw your thread on vise repair. I will be reading this.
CRSINMICH - Thanks for the info! I really like to find out info on older tools.
Jim Johnstone
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Can't help on brand, but it's a milling vise if you didn't know that.
Just picked this up off of Craigslist. Haven't seen a brand on it, any ideas?
va.grouseman
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Carlojoel, great first vise.---You came out of the gate wide open.
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Zoom, really really nice specimen.---Looks like NOS, that might have done a little sweating over the years.
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CRS, you have really thrown a wrench in the cogs.---Your Hollands Ad has the #28 at 300 lbs., and the #29 at 328 lbs., and the #19 at 285 lbs. and Demoman has his #28 at 327 lbs., and #19 at 289 lbs.---And while I didn't weigh my #28, The guy I bought it off of said it weighed in at 325 lbs.---Now I am going to have to do an all out weighing.
You can see Demo's monsters and their weights on page 155.
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Zoom, really really nice specimen.---Looks like NOS, that might have done a little sweating over the years.
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CRS, you have really thrown a wrench in the cogs.---Your Hollands Ad has the #28 at 300 lbs., and the #29 at 328 lbs., and the #19 at 285 lbs. and Demoman has his #28 at 327 lbs., and #19 at 289 lbs.---And while I didn't weigh my #28, The guy I bought it off of said it weighed in at 325 lbs.---Now I am going to have to do an all out weighing.
You can see Demo's monsters and their weights on page 155.
Jim Johnstone
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[emoji106] just checking. Does it have a swivel base? What did you pay for it?
Yes it has a swivel base. Umm $50.
scooternut
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CRS
Thanks for your Hollands info, it is just a four bolt hole fixed base 14 with non removable Reed type jaws. I posted it up a few days ago. Was just more curious about a date range assuming that was the best we could do. So, clearly we have Hollands in business from 1897-???? No clue when they went away.
Thanks for your Hollands info, it is just a four bolt hole fixed base 14 with non removable Reed type jaws. I posted it up a few days ago. Was just more curious about a date range assuming that was the best we could do. So, clearly we have Hollands in business from 1897-???? No clue when they went away.
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basikdeath
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I took a stab with the grinder and some time... Turned out functional at least!
Thank you very much for the offer too, maybe if this doesn't last
KMScott
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The lock down handle will work fine, maybe break the sharp edge a little more so it does not cut your hand. Great job basikdeath.
joe.striper
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I took a stab with the grinder and some time... Turned out functional at least!
Thank you very much for the offer too, maybe if this doesn't last
Great job!! What Kevin ssid...
CRSINMICH
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CRS, you have really thrown a wrench in the cogs.---Your Hollands Ad has the #28 at 300 lbs., and the #29 at 328 lbs., and the #19 at 285 lbs. and Demoman has his #28 at 327 lbs., and #19 at 289 lbs.---And while I didn't weigh my #28, The guy I bought it off of said it weighed in at 325 lbs.---Now I am going to have to do an all out weighing.[/QUOTE]
220, 221 Whatever it takes. I just finds em and I posts em.
220, 221 Whatever it takes. I just finds em and I posts em.
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Jim Johnstone
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Sounds like a good deal for a decent milling vise.
Jim Johnstone
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drivesitfar
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Carl: yep looks good from my chair too. did you happen to look inside behind and alongside the screw? if nothing of consequence there you bought a really nice vise for a great price. WELL DONE SIR
also nice work so far cleaning it up. not much more and you can wipe on BLO with maybe 3 or 4 coats and put some grease on the main screw, slide and vise nut and you can mount it and use it.
Atal: even if you bought an imported mill vise for $50 you still did ok. looks like it just needs a little cleaning and you can set it on your mill.
BAZIK: WELL DONE with the modification. looks like it works now nicely.
also nice work so far cleaning it up. not much more and you can wipe on BLO with maybe 3 or 4 coats and put some grease on the main screw, slide and vise nut and you can mount it and use it.
Atal: even if you bought an imported mill vise for $50 you still did ok. looks like it just needs a little cleaning and you can set it on your mill.
BAZIK: WELL DONE with the modification. looks like it works now nicely.
demoman
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I went through all my hollands literature and did not find a 25H hollands listed. I think the above literature is what I scanned in a few years ago. Somewhere on this thread are several pages I put up of a really old Hollands catalog that showed their line of hollands vises including Keystone and Penn that they made. Maybe someone knows the post but I could not find it. If anyone is interested I will re post.
drivesitfar
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Demo: i'd be interested in what you have on PENN vises because from what I gathered a couple years ago they were PRENTISS VISE company's economy vise. mine is I think a 5 inch wide jaw that might weigh 75 pounds so not really an economy line if you ask me. do you have any PENN vises? hanks
ALL: anybody else have a PENN vise or literature?
I took pictures of my little Dunlap wood vise on it's nice little wood bench and i'll try to post pictures tomorrow because i'm worn out from the activities today.
ALL: anybody else have a PENN vise or literature?
I took pictures of my little Dunlap wood vise on it's nice little wood bench and i'll try to post pictures tomorrow because i'm worn out from the activities today.
Outlawmws
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I do, almost every day!
(if I go out to the work bench...) Does that one have the 4 hole base?