The VISES of Garage Journal
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Evergreentree
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Sweet vise bill!
I'm looking everywhere for a 5" Parker or Holland with a swivel base and anvil horn, but I can't find one!
Any help guys? I'll resort to asking strait forward..
'Any of you fine vise collecting gentlemen have a Parker big bear series (5"ish jaw), or holland of the like for sale? Swivel base'-there, said it. I have a few up for trade...
I'm looking everywhere for a 5" Parker or Holland with a swivel base and anvil horn, but I can't find one!
Any help guys? I'll resort to asking strait forward..
'Any of you fine vise collecting gentlemen have a Parker big bear series (5"ish jaw), or holland of the like for sale? Swivel base'-there, said it. I have a few up for trade...
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zoomieport
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originally posted by jrobb316.
I'd boot a reed anyday to make room for a rock island
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Haha, jk!
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Outlawmws
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IHmachinery
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I haven't posted anything for at least a year, but just got another vise that I'm restoring. It is a Parker 273 swivel jaw, swivel base (5"). It is in pretty good shape. It is a bit different from most of the pictures I've seen however in that it has a bolt that holds the swivel jaw down, rather than a cross pin. The hole for the cross pin is in the casting however. At first I thought it might have been a repair, but upon closer inspection, it is clear that this is from the factory. This makes me think it is a later model.
Does anyone have any idea about age?
I have attached a couple "before" pics below, and will post "after" pictures in a few days.
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Does anyone have any idea about age?
I have attached a couple "before" pics below, and will post "after" pictures in a few days.
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Outlawmws
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I'm guessing that you might have a repair after someone broke the edge of the swivel jaw flange? The inside looks to have been sleeved.
IHmachinery
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Well I thought so at first too, but the swivel jaw is intact and machining marks all look original, both on the pivot and on the top side where the bolt goes in. The threaded insert could conceivably have been a repair, but when you look at the swivel jaw up close it is very clear that this is original. Maybe I can take some better close-up pictures to show that.
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royce
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Drives,
I've looked everywhere I know and all the vises similar, have a intregal base.
Looking at the pic of the bottom of this, the hole on the far left is countersunk from the topside to take a screw from the top.
The next one to the right is pretty small and is tapped.
The next one in the center of the body, seems to be for a centerpin.
The last one to the right is a retaining pin for the spindle nut.
Like you, I feel maybe this had a specialty base for it.
Sure would love to see a pic of what ever it was.
Thanks
Royce
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CrotalusAtrox
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I used it for a bit they are a really sturdy vise pipe jaws hold super tight, I threaded some 1" black iron it didn't budge. I sold it and kind of regret it, but need to down size some of this collection. Favorite vise so far is the Parker 974, use it almost everyday just can't seem to find anything better.
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joe.striper
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http://newhaven.craigslist.org/gms/5606037346.html
Anyone in the area of New Haven CT??? Parker Big Bear at this sale. Thanks to Meatsis for this one. Bagged s10 and I are unavailable....
Anyone in the area of New Haven CT??? Parker Big Bear at this sale. Thanks to Meatsis for this one. Bagged s10 and I are unavailable....
jreb10
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Finished cleaning up the Gyro-vise today. Not too bad under the dirt. I will leave it original of course. Hope my brother likes it.
These vises are really fun to play around with if you have not seen one before!
These vises are really fun to play around with if you have not seen one before!
Tellingthem
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Picked up this little guy at an auction. Not sure why but it stuck out to me. Marked "Wisler Western" "San Francisco, Calif" and "Japan" (made in) Kind of an interesting little vise. Googled it a bit and think it's for gunsmithing. Got it for $30 so while not a screaming deal I don't think it's too bad. Plus I dig it.
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Thanks for posting. That's the closest I have seen to mine anywhere on the web so far.
topop101
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Picked up 2 vises today at the same estate sale.
One of my favorite finds today, NOS Wilton Flip-Grip tilt vise in the box. Notice the red white and blue paint scheme and Briggs-Weaver 75th anniversary sticker. Briggs Industrial is an equipment supplier in the southeast that started as the Briggs-Weaver Machinery co in 1896 meaning this vise is from around 1971. Although this vise is NOS and the jaws are still sealed in their package it was stored in a damp area and has some rust on the bare steel areas I will have to address.
One of my other good finds, a Columbian 203 1/2 M2 combination vise in good shape. I checked it over carefully and see no issues, straight handles, no cracks or obvious hammer marks, both main and pipe jaw teeth are in nice shape.
Edit: I paid $20 for the Wilton and $35 for the Columbian.
One of my favorite finds today, NOS Wilton Flip-Grip tilt vise in the box. Notice the red white and blue paint scheme and Briggs-Weaver 75th anniversary sticker. Briggs Industrial is an equipment supplier in the southeast that started as the Briggs-Weaver Machinery co in 1896 meaning this vise is from around 1971. Although this vise is NOS and the jaws are still sealed in their package it was stored in a damp area and has some rust on the bare steel areas I will have to address.
One of my other good finds, a Columbian 203 1/2 M2 combination vise in good shape. I checked it over carefully and see no issues, straight handles, no cracks or obvious hammer marks, both main and pipe jaw teeth are in nice shape.
Edit: I paid $20 for the Wilton and $35 for the Columbian.
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IHmachinery
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Here is a little better picture of the swivel jaw from the Parker 273 I mentioned a few posts back. First pic show top of swivel with recess for bolt. Second and third show underside with stub pivot. The machining marks look exactly the same on the surface of the swivel and on the pivot, so I don't think it was broken and subsequently turned down. Anyway, if anyone else has come across a Parker swivel jaw with a bolt hold-down, rather than the cross pin one usually sees, please let me know. Thanks
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Apache3057
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Not really sure. Could not pass it up.
PWRstroke_smoke
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Picked up this little guy today for 15$ at the local junk and thrift store
Wilton Baby Bullet 825 fixed base Vise, just need to find a power arm for it!
After a quick cleanup and service:
Wilton Baby Bullet 825 fixed base Vise, just need to find a power arm for it!
After a quick cleanup and service:
IHmachinery
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Very nice find!
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Outlawmws
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Picked up this little guy at an auction. Not sure why but it stuck out to me. Marked "Wisler Western" "San Francisco, Calif" and "Japan" (made in) Kind of an interesting little vise. Googled it a bit and think it's for gunsmithing. Got it for $30 so while not a screaming deal I don't think it's too bad. Plus I dig it.
I had one of those as a Kid, and used it for modeling. I over tightened it and broke the nut (sucked the threaded part out of the plate), so be careful about how you use it. I'd love to find another, just 'cause...
I'd not class that as a gunsmith's vise. The Gyros (See above, both tall and "bulldog" jaws) are popular for that, and small machinists vises. It is a handy little guy though, but more for hobbyists back in the day.
Outlawmws
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Here is a little better picture of the swivel jaw from the Parker 273 I mentioned a few posts back. First pic show top of swivel with recess for bolt. Second and third show underside with stub pivot. The machining marks look exactly the same on the surface of the swivel and on the pivot, so I don't think it was broken and subsequently turned down. Anyway, if anyone else has come across a Parker swivel jaw with a bolt hold-down, rather than the cross pin one usually sees, please let me know. Thanks
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Closeup of the mating side please? I still think repair job. Superb job, but that still looks like secondary machining to me.
Shiftless
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PWR:
wow! Most of us only dream about stumbling across deals as good as that.
I see the $20 price tag on it...Did you actually negotiate a lower price? You dog!
Are you keeping it or putting it up for sale or trade to one of us Wilton fans?
wow! Most of us only dream about stumbling across deals as good as that.
I see the $20 price tag on it...Did you actually negotiate a lower price? You dog!
Are you keeping it or putting it up for sale or trade to one of us Wilton fans?
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GETRIDAONE
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No help on the maker but isn't that one filled with small steel balls and the lever resets the jaws back straight again .
CwazyWabbit
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It looks similar to a Berjo
If it is one it will be only the second one I've seen
EDIT: Thinking about it the Berjo has a moving rear jaw .....
German patent number is DE456034 from 1928. Can be downloaded from https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisN...ntent=index&action=einsteiger&switchToLang=en but the pdf is of course in German
EDIT2: Found the US patent from 1929 https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US1715659.pdf
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topop101
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It looks similar to a Berjo
If it is one it will be only the second one I've seen
EDIT: Thinking about it the Berjo has a moving rear jaw .....
German patent number is DE456034 from 1928. Can be downloaded from https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisN...ntent=index&action=einsteiger&switchToLang=en but the pdf is of course in German
EDIT2: Found the US patent from 1929 https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US1715659.pdf
Excellent research! Thank you!
topop101
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I'm sure that's how it works, yes.
Tellingthem
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Definitely on the light duty side but figured it would be nice to have for the little stuff I mess with. The only reason I figured it was more for guns was that Wisler Western made/sold guns, targets and other shooting/hunting supplies.
GETRIDAONE
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Here is a little better picture of the swivel jaw from the Parker 273 I mentioned a few posts back. First pic show top of swivel with recess for bolt. Second and third show underside with stub pivot. The machining marks look exactly the same on the surface of the swivel and on the pivot, so I don't think it was broken and subsequently turned down. Anyway, if anyone else has come across a Parker swivel jaw with a bolt hold-down, rather than the cross pin one usually sees, please let me know. Thanks
The round portion must have broken off from pressure on the jaws. On yours I bet it cracked both ways and was unusable for a repair. If mine broke off clean all that that would be required is machine the top off the housing and top of the round part, drill hole, tap round part and install stud and nut. With all that it would require perfect alignment so maybe there was originally a pin and the two parts were pressed together. Yours must have required a different approach because of damage to the round portion ? : headscarf
This 272 also had the "Semi Steel" bar in the slide.
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Hi guys. I picked up a vise a few weeks ago. posted it here looking for help on a manufacturer. someone suggested it might be Simplex. Ive asked another collector (not sure if hes on this site or not) and he pointed me towards James Smart Manufacturing of Brockville, Ontario Canada.
So I headed over to www.vintagemachinery.org and took a look. I found a mortising machine thought to be from between 1860-1895 with the exact same logo on the base. So the mystery has been solved. heres a few pictures.
So I headed over to www.vintagemachinery.org and took a look. I found a mortising machine thought to be from between 1860-1895 with the exact same logo on the base. So the mystery has been solved. heres a few pictures.
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bl00
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topop, there was one all cleaned up on ebay last year. Trijeff posted some pics here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4855960&postcount=30015
This was my guess to the maker:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4857190&postcount=30071
link to Pop Sci atricle
Pop Mechanics article
va.grouseman
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IHmachinery, I would be inclined to believe you that it is a factory job on the #273 because it is done very professionally in the same configuration as the Wilton swivel-jaw, however because the (pin hole for the swivel jaw anchor pin) is present I have to think it was originally a conventional Parker configuration.---If in fact yours is factory, it is the only one I have ever seen and possibly a one of a kind prototype.---But there would have been no reason to include the pin hole.---Here is a pic of a Wilton swivel-jaw and a #383 1/2 Parker for comparison.
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CwazyWabbit
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Here's the OWWM.org thread that show one dismantled http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=147477&p=987790
IHmachinery
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I think the pin hole is easily explained. Back in the day they used to make castings well in advance of when they were needed (months, even years) and then let the age or 'season' by just letting them sit outside. This would allow internal stresses to relieve and so prevent warpage after machining. You therefore often see 'legacy' casting features on later products, either because the design was changed and so they had to use up the backlog of raw castings, or because the legacy feature was not problematic and so it did not warrant the cost of changing the moulds. I think the pin holes in this vise are simply a legacy of the original casting design.
That is why my original thinking was that it was a later model - I can see the advantage of the bolt-down design in that it is stronger (doesn't rely on a small portion of the 'lip' of the pivot, where the cross pin hits, for all its upward resistance). It also allows for wear to be accommodated - you can tighten down the bolt a but if the jaw gets sloppy (something not really possible with the cross pin design).
Finally, as a repair it would have been extremely challenging. Difficult fixturing problem to hold the swivel jaw for precise machining and difficult setup to get the insert sleeve aligned so that the back of the swivel fits so perfectly against the curved inset in the back of the tower. There is only a couple thou clearance and it all swivels perfectly smoothly and concentrically. I've also seen a few swivel jaw Vises that have been 'repaired' and that invariably involves welding the jaw on solid
Well maybe it will remain a mystery, but I have it all refinished and it will give many decades of good service whatever the story is. But if anyone comes across another like this, I would be very interested to hear about it.
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That is why my original thinking was that it was a later model - I can see the advantage of the bolt-down design in that it is stronger (doesn't rely on a small portion of the 'lip' of the pivot, where the cross pin hits, for all its upward resistance). It also allows for wear to be accommodated - you can tighten down the bolt a but if the jaw gets sloppy (something not really possible with the cross pin design).
Finally, as a repair it would have been extremely challenging. Difficult fixturing problem to hold the swivel jaw for precise machining and difficult setup to get the insert sleeve aligned so that the back of the swivel fits so perfectly against the curved inset in the back of the tower. There is only a couple thou clearance and it all swivels perfectly smoothly and concentrically. I've also seen a few swivel jaw Vises that have been 'repaired' and that invariably involves welding the jaw on solid
Well maybe it will remain a mystery, but I have it all refinished and it will give many decades of good service whatever the story is. But if anyone comes across another like this, I would be very interested to hear about it.
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IHmachinery
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By the way, thanks VA for the pictures
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IHmachinery
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Here is a little better picture of the swivel jaw from the Parker 273 I mentioned a few posts back. First pic show top of swivel with recess for bolt. Second and third show underside with stub pivot. The machining marks look exactly the same on the surface of the swivel and on the pivot, so I don't think it was broken and subsequently turned down. Anyway, if anyone else has come across a Parker swivel jaw with a bolt hold-down, rather than the cross pin one usually sees, please let me know. Thanks
The round portion must have broken off from pressure on the jaws. On yours I bet it cracked both ways and was unusable for a repair. If mine broke off clean all that that would be required is machine the top off the housing and top of the round part, drill hole, tap round part and install stud and nut. With all that it would require perfect alignment so maybe there was originally a pin and the two parts were pressed together. Yours must have required a different approach because of damage to the round portion ? : headscarf
This 272 also had the "Semi Steel" bar in the slide.
Thanks for the photos. yours is also a bit different from others (e.g. The one VA showed) in that the pivot on yours is held on to the top jaw with a nut rather than being part of the casting (as it is on mine). Maybe they changed the design a bit along the way ...
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Craptain
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My vise of the day is a 3 3/4" Powr Kraft quick release. I have never seen one before and had to have it. $10 and I got to unbolt it from the bench.
The quick release is not great but it works. Clean and lube after I am done with my yard sale next week.
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The quick release is not great but it works. Clean and lube after I am done with my yard sale next week.
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PWRstroke_smoke
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I should have just paid the 20 but I only had 15 cash on me. There was another gentleman looking at it before I snagged it so I didn't want to leave it to go get more money, I offered 15 and he took it. They won't hold anything at the thrift store either, the guy looking at it before me left to go get more money lolPWR:
wow! Most of us only dream about stumbling across deals as good as that.
I see the $20 price tag on it...Did you actually negotiate a lower price? You dog!
Are you keeping it or putting it up for sale or trade to one of us Wilton fans?