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Bib Overalls

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Looks like the curtain is coming down on the first act. The second act, where you finish out your unit should start shortly. The third, and final act never ends. You just keep on posting about your projects and life in general. With only 325 posts over a mere 17 pages this thread is just getting started.
 
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Quick post tonight - no pics. I stopped by after dinner tonight but I ran my battery out on my camera after two pictures. I gotta start paying more attention to the battery levels. At least now I will have a full charge for Saturday.

They are starting to set up for the event. A couple very expensive power boats were being displayed in two units. They have painted yellow stripes on the concrete separating the units that do not have walls up yet. The clubhouse got a few more items including bar stools, two pub tables, and a pin ball table. I also noticed that the TV on wall between the bathroom was running a slideshow of construction photos that I think were my photos. One of the developers was there setting things up. He loaned me a key and I wandered into my unit. They have updated the garage door opener with the chain version and have started to move and rotate the high bay lights. The air conditioner was running and the unit was nice and cool. After I returned the key, the developer said that they were going to sweep out the courtyard tomorrow and lay down some sod. It really is starting to look amazing.
 
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Two months after Amazon delivered my Ecobee wifi thermostat to me, the GC finally asked me for it. I have tried to give it to them on multiple occasions but they kept saying no. I had it with me last Friday for the inspection but they didn't take it. Today ... Today they needed it. At least now I know it will be installed soon.

I wandered by The Place since it is about 3 minutes from the GC's office. It was not 5pm yet and they were laying sod down fast and furious. It looked like there was sod around the clubhouse and the entire front of the building. There was also that blown in green seed and mulch combo on the right side of the entrance road. It was very busy and I did not even get out of my car. I did not want to get in the way.

They are doing a private soft opening tonight with STL Motorcars and their guests. It is a combination thank you for some of the cars that will be on display on Saturday and a chance to pitch ownership to some of the clients of the dealership. We were invited as future owners and may stop by later. If we go, I'll try to take some pictures .... No promises. Saturday will be the big picture day.
 
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So I didn't take the SLR but I have a couple teaser cell phone pics from the soft opening. They had cars in all of the units from a 69 camaro, to a couple lamborginis and some big power boats. They had a big Sprinter van in our unit. It makes you realize how big our garage door really is. You can also see in the background that they have rotated all of my lights now. They have also started fixing the drywall in the back. Little by little the items are getting knocked down for closing.

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They had a set of plans for our unit on an easel. They took my PowerPoints and jazzed them up some. They are not entirely accurate but they probably look much cooler than my home made plans.

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We were standing around talking long enough that the lights turned on in the courtyard. That is the first time I've seen those lights on. Things definitely cooled off in the evening.

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On the way home, my wife was asking if we could get them to let us park her 997 in the unit on Saturday. I could tell she was really excited for the first time. While it was getting built it was just so much dirt and concrete but it is real to her now. That was really nice to see.
 

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So I didn't take the SLR but I have a couple teaser cell phone pics from the soft opening. They had cars in all of the units from a 69 camaro, to a couple lamborginis and some big power boats. They had a big Sprinter van in our unit. It makes you realize how big our garage door really is. You can also see in the background that they have rotated all of my lights now. They have also started fixing the drywall in the back. Little by little the items are getting knocked down for closing.

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You would think with the amount of light in your unit they would want to show off and put something other than a sprinter in there :lol:

Looking good, been a fun thread to follow, excited for you to get in.
 
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@alberto - 15'x23' so about 345 sq ft. The mezzanine floor height is 12' with ~11' clear height underneath.
 

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Just a reminder... This open house is tomorrow. It is called a Cars and Coffee but it runs all day (10am to 8pm).

Just remember, we are counting on you for lots of pics :3gears::lol_hitti

I hope you manage to get some of the boats as well as the cars.
 

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I thought about driving the 7 hours just to see this in person. Can't wait to see the pictures.


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I am packing up my kiddo and dropping her at a birthday party right down the road. I hope that I can swing by and see it done. I'll share what I see.
 
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The open house is still going strong but I needed a break. Since I'm only ten minutes from home I popped out to upload some pictures and get a cold drink.

We drove down our Porsche 911 and Audi TTS and parked them in the garage for the first time. It seems huge with the cars in there. My boss from work and jay8s from the forum stopped by and said hi.

Some teaser photos.... The sod and that last bit of paint really made the complex look completed. I'll put the link below to all the pictures in the flikr album.

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The clubhouse is open and I got a chance to christen the pinball machine. I'm sure my high score will last all of 10 minutes.

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Nice cars and boats displayed in the units.

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We did get to park in our unit. Our unit is 45' deep and our cars fit in the middle 15' without any issues. It was really nice to get to park the cars in there and really get a feel for the space. Mind you - we haven't closed on the unit yet.

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I added today's pictures to the original construction album and a new open house album.

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We drove the TTS home and left the Porsche parked in our unit. We will go back down this evening and spend some time there.
 
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@55cadillacking - The main usage is vehicle storage since we currently have 4 cars and only a small 2 car garage. I want a place to do some light work. I currently swap in and out snow tires in the winter. I carry the tires into and out of my basement since the garage is too small to store them. (Plus the summer only tires should not be subjected to the freezing temps of an unheated garage.). I do other light work like brake pads, brake flushes, simple bolt on stuff, and detailing/waxing a couple times a year. Maybe now that I have space that a project could just sit while I go to work I can tackle more. I am really hoping that this will be a place we can hang out too. The developers are talking about having a standing once a month cars and coffee. We've set the mezzanine up to be a social space and I have been thinking of having a holiday party at the garage this winter. It is too early to tell how it will all work out but I am excited about the potential.

EDIT: I always knew our current 2 car garage was small. When we moved in we got all the paperwork from the prior owners. The paperwork showed that the garage got poured 2 feet short by accident. So I just measured it for grins. The floor measures 18' 6" front to back by 18' 9" wide and the ceiling is 9' 1" from the ground. That is just under 350 sqft. Add in the fact that there is a lawn mower, two big trash cans, 3 bicycles, a rolling tool chest, and lots of lawn care stuff the space is cramped. The new unit is 1048 sqft plus another 350sqft on the mezzanine. Heck, the area under the mezzanine will be more space than my current garage because it has 11ft clearance to the mezzanine structure.
 
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I just got home from visiting The Place. All I can say is the pictures Greg posts just don't do it justice. To walk into his unit is really eye opening. There is a ton more room than I expected. I did grab some pictures but they don't hold a candle to what Greg has already posted. It was nice to talk with Greg and hear about the process and the future plans. I can't wait to visit again once everything is done.

Thanks for posting all you have and taking the time to talk today. I know you will enjoy your space.

John
 

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The main thing is more optimistic. And all will turn out, and judging by the photos of the work done. Everything has happened. One can only feel relaxed and have fun.
 

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I stopped by there today but wasn't able to meet you, Greg. Someone said you had just left. The Place really seems to be a first-class facility. I must say I am jealous.

The HVAC mounted near the ceiling makes a HUGE difference, freeing up so much floor space.

Will the monthly Cars and Coffee be open to the public?
 
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@55cadillacking - The main usage is vehicle storage since we currently have 4 cars and only a small 2 car garage. I want a place to do some light work. I currently swap in and out snow tires in the winter. I carry the tires into and out of my basement since the garage is too small to store them. (Plus the summer only tires should not be subjected to the freezing temps of an unheated garage.). I do other light work like brake pads, brake flushes, simple bolt on stuff, and detailing/waxing a couple times a year. Maybe now that I have space that a project could just sit while I go to work I can tackle more. I am really hoping that this will be a place we can hang out too. The developers are talking about having a standing once a month cars and coffee. We've set the mezzanine up to be a social space and I have been thinking of having a holiday party at the garage this winter. It is too early to tell how it will all work out but I am excited about the potential.

EDIT: I always knew our current 2 car garage was small. When we moved in we got all the paperwork from the prior owners. The paperwork showed that the garage got poured 2 feet short by accident. So I just measured it for grins. The floor measures 18' 6" front to back by 18' 9" wide and the ceiling is 9' 1" from the ground. That is just under 350 sqft. Add in the fact that there is a lawn mower, two big trash cans, 3 bicycles, a rolling tool chest, and lots of lawn care stuff the space is cramped. The new unit is 1048 sqft plus another 350sqft on the mezzanine. Heck, the area under the mezzanine will be more space than my current garage because it has 11ft clearance to the mezzanine structure.

Thanks for the explanation. I think you are very close to having your automotive haven. I can't imagine the inconvenience of moving wheels to and from the basement. The Place is one of my favourite threads. Lookin fwd to seeing what you do to it.
 
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@ jay8s, TIMI, PhoenixRising, and 55cadillacking - Thanks for the kind words. I think I killed my camera today. It stopped responding even with newly charged batteries. I didn't drop it or do anything that I know of, it just stopped working. We left around 1pm and I heard a bunch of cars dropped by after that. Sorry, I missed everyone. We went back down around 6:30 and closed up our unit around 7:30. I think everyone was done by then. I assume the C&C will be public - kinda defeats the purpose otherwise.
 
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Not much to report here. I did break my camera and decided that trying to fix the 9 year old Nikon D40X would probably not be worth it. Technology has moved on and I decided to get a new Nikon D3200 rather than spend money to fix the old camera. The D3200 steps up from a 10 megapixel sensor to 24 megapixel and adds HD video capability. I can still use the same lenses so I'm just buying the body.

On the garage front, I drove by mid-week and the gate was closed up. That was a first and was nice to see. Nothing had changed on the outside of the complex, so I didn't bother trying to take any photos with my cell phone. I got a call on Friday from the general contractor saying they were ready to walk through the unit to verify the punch list items were completed. I'm set up to meet them tomorrow afternoon. In theory, closing could be this week.

The steel mezzanine engineering drawings are supposed to be in work. Ditto with the final permits and the final estimate for the contract with the general contractor. I did get a call from the general contractor trying to track down the exact track lights that my architect called out. The electrical sub thought they would not hit my budget but so far no one has communicated how much they will cost. Until they do, I'm not sure if I should change or not.

I'm looking forward to closing so I have access to the clubhouse and have a key so I can stop by anytime I want to check out the progress on the mezzanine. Hopefully, I'll be back up full speed on the camera by then so I can take pictures for all of you.
 
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SNAFU - Situation Normal All F@#* Up - Part One

We hit a major snag on permits and minor snag on the inspection. I'll cover the minor inspection issue below and then start a new post for the permit issue.

Of the 14 item punch list, 13 were easy to check as completed. The one item that was not done was the ecobee thermostat. I asked that it be hooked up to the vent fan in the unit. When I got there, the superintendent said it needed my iphone to hook up the unit. I looked at the menu and it was on a setup screen that said to hook into wifi or idevice. It said either so I hit the wifi button and it took me to The Place wifi. I didn't have the password so I just hit the button that said install wifi later. The thermostat then showed the normal home screen. I hit the button to turn on the vent fan and the AC fan on the main air handler turned on. I could not get the air handler fan to turn off or get the vent fan to turn on. It was not wired correctly and my guess is that they never got passed the wifi setup screen to test it before I got there. They are going to to work on that for me.

The rest of the unit looked good. They had re-painted it to my base color - no stripes or accent colors but at least the 75% of the unit is the correct color now. The lights and garage door opener were both fixed but I had seen that at the open house.

I'll write about the permit issues later tonight. I think I need to cool off some first.
 

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Drink a couple of beers and grill a steak. That usually gets my blood pressure back to normal. Won't change anything but some bureaucratic red tape does not justify a heart attack.
 
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SNAFU - Situation Normal All F@#* Up: Part Duex

I was made aware of an issue with the bathroom on the mezzanine for my unit last week. The county has rejected the permit because the bathroom on the mezzanine is not wheel chair accessible. I would need to reconfigure the bathroom to be wheel chair accessible as well as install a chair lift or elevator to keep the bathroom on the mezzanine. Alternately, I could keep the bathroom as is on the mezzanine if I added a wheel chair accessible bathroom on the lower level that had equivalent facilities (toilet, sink, and shower in this case). If I do not want a bathroom at all, that is ok, but if I have one it must be accessible.

The county is taking a hard line that the units are each individual commercial units that must comply with accessibility rules. The developer has tried to argue that the units are private units that cannot be used as businesses to no avail. The developer has also pointed out that there are 2 ADA bathrooms in the clubhouse that is within 100 feet of my unit but the county does not care. The permitting process literally only sees what is in my walls and nothing else.

To me, adding a bathroom on the lower level is a non-starter. These units were made very narrow to maximize the number of units that can fit on the land. A 7’ wide bathroom on a 23’ wide unit would eliminate the possibility of parking two cars under the mezzanine. I would lose 1 of 4 possible parking spaces. Given the offset garage door opening, it has always been questionable to me if there were really 4 parking spaces as the two by the garage door are actually hard to fill without a teleporter. I had planned on using the two spaces under the mezzanine with lifts to allow 4 potential storage spots and the two spaces by the garage door to be combined a centered up roomy space to work on one vehicle. That would be a total of 5 vehicles stored/worked on. The picture below is what the architect suggested for a lower bathroom. With the suggested bathroom I would be down to 3 spots max.

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Reworking the upper bathroom with a chair lift is also not palatable. The bathroom would have to get much larger and fixtures I have already picked out would most likely not make the cut. The added space needed to make the bathroom work would also eliminate much of the space available for other items on the upper mezzanine - bar, tvs, couches. The chair lift is expensive, bulky, and in the way when it will most likely never be used. I looked at vertical lifts as well but could not figure out where they could be placed that did not interfere with getting into or parking in the two spots under the mezzanine.

In either option, the work that has been done to the unit to date is at serious risk of having to be re-done. This really makes me mad because during the July plumbing fiasco I pushed hard to get a full set of drawings and permits before anything was put behind the drywall. They convinced me to continue without doing that and all it did was delay the permit issues until even more things need to get re-worked.

The developer and architect have a plan but I'm not sure how viable it is. The county will not do anything on their own. The developer and architect are going to submit a case study to the national code using my unit and the complex as a whole. They are going to argue that since businesses are not allowed in the complex, the units are privately held, and that there is an ADA bathroom in the public space of the complex within 500 feet of any unit - that the individual units do not have to individually hold to the accessibility standards. If they can get a precedent set by the national standards group, then the county will follow suit and allow it to happen. The developer wants to set the precedent because he knows it is going to be hard to sell these narrow units if they have to follow all the accessibility rules in each unit. I give them props for effort but I really am not sure I give them much chance for success. It will take 2-3 weeks at a minimum to get an answer from the standards group and another 3-4 weeks to know if the county will accept the answer.

At this point, I have sent an e-mail to the developer, general contractor, architect, and title company holding my down payment that I will not be closing until this gets settled.

I really do not know what to do if they hold us to the current rules. I am seriously thinking of just walking away. I've put 100s of hours into this at this point and I really do not want to do that. However, the narrow space really does not leave lots of options. The best of the worst is to probably give up the shower(s) and put 5' wide narrow bathroom under the stairs. Basically, take the picture above - get rid of the shower and rotate what is left 90 degrees so that it is only 5' out from the right wall. That would leave 18' to get by under the mezzanine. Then I could re-do the upper mezzanine without at bathroom at all. All of the plumbing, electrical, and some of the drywall around the upper mezzanine would all have to get re-done. It just makes me sick thinking about it. I tried to do things right up front but it just didn't work.
 
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Dang. That is a punch to the gut. You have to weigh the options. If it really is not what you want, why would you want to pay all of that money? I know you are more than committed to this condo garage. You are kind of forced to wait and see. I would make the owner/builder feel the pain in some form. When closing on my house in 2012, the week before the builder flooded my house and basically destroyed it. After consulting engineers and lawyers we worked out a good deal for both parties. It can be done. They probably really need to know what you want and if they can provide it. After the county decides of course. But for the delayed closing for 6-8 weeks after you provided the most logical course, for that I would make them pay.
 

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It's always something with construction it seems. Best of luck getting it all sorted out, it seems to me that it is in the developers best interest to make it work for you, and thus the rest of the tenants. Let them spend their time and money, but I know it's frustrating when you tried to get it done correctly in the first place.

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Surprised that the developers didn't work all that out a head of time, to your point it would be hard to sell the rest of the units. Don't understand the matching layout down on the ground floor also.
Now I do have an industrial condo, and installed an ADA bathroom with a shower, the city had the requirement on commercial properties that all plumbing has to be done by a licensed plumber. But I was able to do most everything else, guess except to have the sprinkler head installed and the fire strobe. The guys in the next unit to me, running a business out of it have an ADA bathroom down stairs, just a toilet and sink but they installed a regular bathroom up stairs with a shower.
Lesson I learned if you are going to by a commercial property make sure it already has a bathroom :)

I would probably just stall to get them to get something worked out, but I know that isn't going to be easy either when you are so close.

Wish you the best.
 

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This is a serious blow to your momentum, but you have to believe that a rational solution will come soon. Feel bad for you my friend. Keep us updated.
 
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I feel for ya Greg! To be so close and have this come up is just a kick in the junk. The county needs to get on board with this. I feel that the developer should have been out ahead of this. I do hope that they are willing to go to bat, and thank you profusely for your willingness to wait it out and be the guinea pig. Are any of the other units as far along as yours? I wonder what they have found? Are they putting a bathroom on the ground floor?
 
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@Bib_Overalls - Hear you loud and clear. Thought this beer was appropriate: LAGUNITAS WTF.

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@AzPilot, Spdstr280Z, pmason0, 55cadillacking - Thanks for your support. The hardest part is that I've basically been down to the complex every other day for 6 months and have been working to get this to happen since March of 2015. Now for the next 2 weeks at least, and potentially 6-8 weeks, I can't do anything but wait.

@Jay8s - I think there are only about 10 of us so far and of those 10 only 4 that have mezzanines. Two of them are on really wide 40+ foot wide units where I think they just accepted the extra space requirement for a ground floor bathrooms without it being a big deal. The unit next to mine is supposed to be putting in a mezzanine with a bathroom but I don't think they are as far along as me in getting plumbing or anything in place. I'm not actually sure that my neighbor even knows about the problem yet. I was told by the architect that I'm the only one that this really hit hard. There really has not been a lot of communication between the future owners so far so I really do not know.
 

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Let me play devil's advocate here for a second...

Is there any reason the ground floor bathroom needs to be where its shown in the drawings? If you could part ways with the shower requirement, could you put the ground floor bathroom under the stairs? If it's feasible and the exemption from the ADA requirement falls through, it seems like a reasonable compromise to minimize the impact on your original design. Then you theoretically wouldn't lose the space for the second lift while still complying to what the county is mandating.

Either way, its not your fault. The developer/architect should have been in communication with the county to clear your design of any obvious issues before sealing the walls as you said. Evidently they were rushing to finish the building so you could close on your unit, and by doing so backed you into an extremely frustrating corner. Now it's either they fix it once you have your options or you walk out. It really ***** to be at this position but it's not like you could have foreseen this happening. They said "no problem" to your mezzanine design and failed to clear it with the county before getting too far along.

Hope things work out. At least you have an out if you decide it's not worth the hassle.
 

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Another thought: since there's a bathroom within 100 feet of your unit, is it really necessary to have your own? Maybe your facilities could be reduced to a simple wash sink; it would still be useful to be able to wash your hands after working on the car and it would cost a lot less.
 

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Re: SNAFU - Situation Normal All F@#* Up - Part Deux

The county has rejected the permit because the bathroom on the mezzanine is not wheel chair accessible. I would need to reconfigure the bathroom to be wheel chair accessible as well as install a chair lift or elevator to keep the bathroom on the mezzanine. Alternately, I could keep the bathroom as is on the mezzanine if I added a bathroom on the lower level that had equivalent facilities (toilet, sink, and shower in this case). If I do not want a bathroom at all, that is ok, but if I have one it must be accessible.


Sorry to hear about your troubles. This ADA thing is something that can easily bite you in the tail. I am surprised they are asking for equivalent facilities. This is not required elsewhere, if you declare the upstairs bathroom to be "for owner use only". In other words, you should be able to put a shower upstairs and not have to do it downstairs. This doesn't solve the ADA compliance problem overall, but it would save you some space in the downstairs bathroom.

In either option, the work that has been done to the unit to date is at serious risk of having to be re-done. This really makes me mad because during the July plumbing fiasco I pushed hard to get a full set of drawings and permits before anything was put behind the drywall. They convinced me to continue without doing that and all it did was delay the permit issues until even more things need to get re-worked.

I am surprised that they allowed any work to be done without permits in hand. Most big city jurisdictions do not allow you make these kinds of improvements unless you have permits to ensure compliance with federal requirements.

The developer and architect are going to submit a case study to the national code using my unit and the complex as a whole. They are going to argue that since businesses are not allowed in the complex, the units are privately held, and that there is an ADA bathroom in the public space of the complex within 500 feet of any unit - that the individual units do not have to individually hold to the accessibility standards.

This is worth a shot. As you point out, it won't be fast to get a go/no go out of them.

At this point, I have sent an e-mail to the developer, general contractor, architect, and title company holding my down payment that I will not be closing until this gets settled.

I too get discouraged when what I plan for doesn't come out exactly as I wanted. While you won't get exactly what you had envisioned and planned for, you should step back a little bit and look at the big picture. You will be getting a very nice space that will accommodate additional cars (although perhaps not as many as you first thought) where you can work in comfort and hang around, etc. that most people (and specially those on this forum) would kill to have. Unless there is another ready option, my guess is that abandoning this project is unlikely to lead to you getting a better space, otherwise one would presume you would have pursued that instead.

By the way, there are other developments like this all over the country. Some have been documented here and they don't seem to have run into this problem. Given that the ADA provisions are a federal requirement, you might suggest to the developer to look into these other developments to see how they dealt with this very same issue.
 
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The ADA requirements are basically codified overkill for units like this. Ridiculous. BUT...most competent architects are painfully aware of all the ADA foibles and the project architect should have been more mindful of the impacts. With ADA, Murphy's Law is the unwritten rule. Plus, the city/county can interpret it one way, the feds another, and private industry suffers. Fingers crossed for you on all of this.
 

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That's a bummer Greg. I walked through this development last month, it's an interesting concept. Given that there seem to be a lot of unsold units, I'd speak with a real estate attorney and begin the process to either force the developer to fix the unit to your expectations, have them do some 'acceptable mods' and renegotiate the price down, or just plain walk away.

I do have major concerns about ROI on something like this in the medium/long term.
 

vair964

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I know its a added expense but the lower bathroom could be made as inexpensively as possible and after county inspection removed. the upstairs bathroom then could be the original size you had planned. I know this may become a issue if you sell.
 

shortykorte

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I felt your pain when remodeling my warehouse since I had to put in an ADA bathroom. My place is commerical so I could understand it, but a No Business Allow condo is ridiculous. The developer should have had any ADA issues worked out before breaking ground. Like others have said, interpretation not facts or common sense prevails with bureaucraps.
I suggest a toilet in the corner and tell the county the whole space is a bathroom. Good Luck!
 
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