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I am sure this has been answered before, if so just disregard it.

If not, I am looking for the best made or assembled in USA bottom rollaway cabinet for the money. I would prefer one between 40-60 inches, with as many drawers as possible.

I have seen the new Craftsmans, they look nice, but I am not a fan of electrical outlets in a toolbox. I like the more classic designs.

Any info you guys can provide I would appreciate.

Thanks, Wyatt.


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Williams boxes are either rebadged KRA's or International (Canada) depending on model. Proto also has boxes that look nice. Check CL for used Snap-on & Matco boxes.

Homak may have boxes made here, Not sure. Might be worth an email to them.


FWIW, pretty much anything 40" or larger and below 800-1000$ is likely going to be an import of some form or another.
 
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Thanks for the reply, plinker. Might give Homak an email.

https://www.dewalt.com/en-us/produc...n-wide-9drawer-rolling-tool-cabinet/dwst25294

Anybody have experience with these new Dewalt boxes? They claim to be 18-20 guage steel, and a hefty 21 inch depth that attracted me. Also has that ‘USA’ sticker on it. Seems like a nice box. They claim the drawers can hold 200 lbs, and one 300 lbs. Havent seen them in stores.


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Thanks for the reply, plinker. Might give Homak an email.

https://www.dewalt.com/en-us/produc...n-wide-9drawer-rolling-tool-cabinet/dwst25294

Anybody have experience with these new Dewalt boxes? They claim to be 18-20 guage steel, and a hefty 21 inch depth that attracted me. Also has that ‘USA’ sticker on it. Seems like a nice box. They claim the drawers can hold 200 lbs, and one 300 lbs. Havent seen them in stores.


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Home depot had two on the floor the other day seemed nice enough had a power strip in the two I saw.

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wyattstihl , I'd keep an eye on craigslist. I've seen some really good deals on fairly new American made boxes.
 
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Budget required. And intended use.

"Made in USA with global materials" line? Probably craftsman/dewalt/whatever.


Made in USA, new, Proto seems reasonable, as does Williams (they're a KRA snap on?). Realistically, a used box is better if you have the cash. Nearly new for 50% off with truck boxes.



USA/Assembled in USA are two totally different products and price ranges BTW.
 
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Budget required. And intended use.

"Made in USA with global materials" line? Probably craftsman/dewalt/whatever.


Made in USA, new, Proto seems reasonable, as does Williams (they're a KRA snap on?). Realistically, a used box is better if you have the cash. Nearly new for 50% off with truck boxes.



USA/Assembled in USA are two totally different products and price ranges BTW.
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Usage wise, for now the box will see light use. But within a few years I will likely be an auto/diesel mechanic.

Budget can be any price range, I just need the best bang for my buck. I just need to set some aside from my pay every time it comes around.


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2ndGearRubber said:
Budget required. And intended use.

"Made in USA with global materials" line? Probably craftsman/dewalt/whatever.


Made in USA, new, Proto seems reasonable, as does Williams (they're a KRA snap on?). Realistically, a used box is better if you have the cash. Nearly new for 50% off with truck boxes.



USA/Assembled in USA are two totally different products and price ranges BTW.
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Agreed, the boxes are probably made in China then someone in the US just puts the drawers in the shell, slaps a big USA sticker on them, and packages them.
 
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Agreed, the boxes are probably made in China then someone in the US just puts the drawers in the shell, slaps a big USA sticker on them, and packages them.
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I had that fear until I saw a video of the Waterloo factory is Sedalia, Missouri, that maked the Craftsman boxes and a few others.

The boxes are in fact Made in the USA, it just so happens that small things such as locking mechanisms and electrical outlets are not, they are only installed here. Correct me if Im wrong. What fits your description is “Assembled” or “Built”in the USA.


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http://www.storloc.com/
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I really like that Stor Loc MM3, very deep and seemingly great cabinet.

But I also like this one,
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Also 100 percent Made in the USA, and there made within driving distance, which would take a lot off of the price since I wouldnt have to ship it.

Edit: Its also considerably cheaper, and I can custom order from a bunch of different color configurations.


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I had that fear until I saw a video of the Waterloo factory is Sedalia, Missouri, that maked the Craftsman boxes and a few others.

The boxes are in fact Made in the USA, it just so happens that small things such as locking mechanisms and electrical outlets are not, they are only installed here. What fits your description is “Assembled” or “Built”in the USA.
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Yeah Stanley bought Waterloo last year so not surprising they'd have 'MADE IN USA with global materials' on their Dewalt and Craftsman boxes.

BTW I'd like to see that video. :)

Edit: And from the slideshow with this Reuters article they show the gloss black Husky boxes being made in the US: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ispute-has-yet-to-reap-benefits-idUSKCN1GO0CE
 
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Yeah Stanley bought Waterloo last year so not surprising they'd have 'MADE IN USA with global materials' on their Dewalt and Craftsman boxes.

BTW I'd like to see that video. :)

Edit: And from the slideshow with this Reuters article they show the gloss black Husky boxes being made in the US: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ispute-has-yet-to-reap-benefits-idUSKCN1GO0CE
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Well its not one video, its just a few Craftsman put on their social media that shows workers building their boxes.
[video] https://www.instagram.com/p/BizZla4n-Zt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1l2cvr80eiqwp [/video]
[video] https://www.instagram.com/p/BkSxh1cHril/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=8w61a7zza8g6 [/video]

(Sorry if the embed video feature didnt work)


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Usage wise, for now the box will see light use. But within a few years I will likely be an auto/diesel mechanic.

Budget can be any price range, I just need the best bang for my buck. I just need to set some aside from my pay every time it comes around.


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If it were me, and my money.

Buy whatever homeowner style/price box you like. Use it until you need to upgrade for your profession, or if you don't end up working on things for a living, keep it for 50 years.
 
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FWIW, pretty much anything 40" or larger and below 800-1000$ is likely going to be an import of some form or another.
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or lower grade stuff that would be fine for an occasional use home garage box but not really suited for heavy daily use in a shop
 
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Yeah Stanley bought Waterloo last year so not surprising they'd have 'MADE IN USA with global materials' on their Dewalt and Craftsman boxes.

BTW I'd like to see that video. :)

Edit: And from the slideshow with this Reuters article they show the gloss black Husky boxes being made in the US: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ispute-has-yet-to-reap-benefits-idUSKCN1GO0CE
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Stanley did not buy Waterloo unless you have another source other than Toolguyd. Any online search attempt to verify the sale only brings up Toolguyd. I emailed him and asked where he got that info and got no answer. Until somebody can give me a link to that sale, I am assuming it is not true. A big business sale like that always gets some coverage.

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Stanley did not buy Waterloo unless you have another source other than Toolguyd. Any online search attempt to verify the sale only brings up Toolguyd. I emailed him and asked where he got that info and got no answer. Until somebody can give me a link to that sale, I am assuming it is not true. A big business sale like that always gets some coverage.

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that last time i saw this question asked someone else posted this exact link...

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=4272307

As per the transaction announced on November 28, 2017, Waterloo Industries, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of Stanley Black & Decker, Inc.
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look into Motezuma tool boxes, love mine and they are made in Kansas. strictlytoolboxes.com has some pretty good deals on them. They also rebrand for others like the Mastercraft line from Menards
 
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look into Motezuma tool boxes, love mine and they are made in Kansas. strictlytoolboxes.com has some pretty good deals on them. They also rebrand for others like the Mastercraft line from Menards
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The Mastercraft boxes I see in menards are made in China


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Stanley did not buy Waterloo unless you have another source other than Toolguyd. Any online search attempt to verify the sale only brings up Toolguyd. I emailed him and asked where he got that info and got no answer. Until somebody can give me a link to that sale, I am assuming it is not true. A big business sale like that always gets some coverage.
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Nonsense.

Once again, Stuey doesn't post fake news. Stop insinuating such.

Second, get good at Google. It takes less than 60 seconds to find other references:

Waterloo was purchased by GMS Holdings and AFI Partners from Fortune Brands in 2015. They then sold it to SBD in 2017.

http://www.gmscap.com/us.html

GMS Capital Partners LLC said:
[Waterloo logo]

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Tool Storage, Office Services and Supplies

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Founded in 1922

Based in Oak Creek, Wisconsin with a support office in Waterloo, Iowa and manufacturing facilities in Sedalia, Missouri

GMS Holdings ownership
2015 GMS Holdings partnered with private equity firm AFI Partners in the carve-out of Waterloo Industries from Fortune Brands

2017 Exited via sale to Stanley Black and Decker
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https://www.usitc.gov/trade_remedy/...from_china_and_vietnam-hearing-11-28-2017.pdf

On page 168-169 is just one of many references in the document to SBD purchasing Waterloo:

United States International Trade Commission said:
In July 27th, 2017, Stanley buys Waterloo from AFI. The purchase is not disclosed in its SCC filings. September 8th, Waterloo informs the ITC of its acquisition by Stanley and comments on the draft questionnaire.
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Is a .gov agency reporting that Waterloo has informed them that SBD bought them good enough?

Stop impugning Stuey's character or reporting.
 
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look into Motezuma tool boxes, love mine and they are made in Kansas. strictlytoolboxes.com has some pretty good deals on them. They also rebrand for others like the Mastercraft line from Menards
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With the possible exception of their portable toolboxes, Montezuma is not made in the USA - they're Asian imports. I'm pretty sure all domestic manufacturing got shuttered, and those that were made in the USA are now made overseas as well. Either way, the only domestically produced boxes were the portables. The big stuff was always import.

Their current catalog:

https://www.montezumastorage.com/sites/default/files/Montezuma_catalog.pdf

Makes absolutely no reference to where the boxes are manufactured. Were they manufactured in the USA or Canada, it's a pretty safe bet they'd be crowing about that.

Additionally, Montezuma is no longer headquartered in Montezuma, KS - they sold their business to QualityCraft in Canada some years ago.
 
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Montezuma boxes are not built in Kansas. The old cpl box was built in Kansas. I don't think any of the Montezuma box were some may have been assemble in Kansas but made in china. They sold out couple years ago. I am thinking to a company in Canada that markets the masterforce box's. Not saying there is anything wrong with them just not made here any more and haven't been for quite some time. I picked up my Frist and only new cpl box at the shop that built them in monetzuma in the late 80's and talked with the owner designer of them. I was in high school at the time.
 
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My son bought 2 of the Montezuma boxes last summer and they had made in china stickers on them.
 
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Stanley did not buy Waterloo unless you have another source other than Toolguyd. Any online search attempt to verify the sale only brings up Toolguyd. I emailed him and asked where he got that info and got no answer. Until somebody can give me a link to that sale, I am assuming it is not true. A big business sale like that always gets some coverage.

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1. You emailed him but didn't actually read/comprehend the article? :confused::confused::confused: No wonder he didn't reply to you.

Toolguyd's article links to the audio of Stanley's 2017 4th quarter conference call, archived on the Stanley website, of their CEO explaining in that they bought Waterloo last year and that it is now a "dedicated Craftsman manufacturing facility". If you had any doubts or wanted proof you could just go listen to it for yourself.

Stanley Black & Decker Acquired Waterloo Industries, a USA Tool Storage Manufacturer
https://toolguyd.com/stanley-black-decker-acquired-waterloo/

2. It's also mentioned in this Reuters article in the fourth paragraph:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ispute-has-yet-to-reap-benefits-idUSKCN1GO0CE
Metal Box International is one of only two remaining U.S. producers of such boxes. The other is Waterloo Industries, a far larger company recently acquired by Stanley Black & Decker Inc, the global tool producer
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Toolguyd's article links to the audio of Stanley's 2017 4th quarter conference call, archived on the Stanley website, of their CEO explaining in that they bought Waterloo last year and that it is now a "dedicated Craftsman manufacturing facility".
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Wait, so does that mean Waterloo will no longer be manufacturing Waterloo branded boxes?

In my mind, if they said it is dedicated to Craftsman, it no longer makes Waterloo. Correct me if I am wrong.


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Wait, so does that mean Waterloo will no longer be manufacturing Waterloo branded boxes?

In my mind, if they said it is dedicated to Craftsman, it no longer makes Waterloo. Correct me if I am wrong.
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I was wondering the same. It sounds to me like they won't be selling 'Waterloo' or make boxes for anyone else like they used to. I don't know what else a 'dedicated Craftsman manufacturing facility' means, but whutdoiknow. If so though I would suppose they'd be making those Dewalt boxes there.

Per Toolguyd, if you go to the link below and click on the '2017' tab, then under the Q4 there's audio (around 39:15) and a transcript.
http://ir.stanleyblackanddecker.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=114416&p=quarterlyearnings

Also a small correction. When I listened to the audio before I had said thought it was the CEO, but just now looking at the transcript the guy talking on the call at that point was "Jeffery D. Ansell - Stanley Black & Decker, Inc. - Executive VP of Global Tools & Storage and President of Global Tools & Storage". Here is the relevant snippet from the transcript below:

 
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I was wondering the same. It sounds to me like they won't be selling 'Waterloo' or make boxes for anyone else like they used to. I don't know what else a 'dedicated Craftsman manufacturing facility' means, but whutdoiknow. If so though I would suppose they'd be making those Dewalt boxes there.

Per Toolguyd, if you go to the link below and click on the '2017' tab, then under the Q4 there's audio (around 39:15) and a transcript.
http://ir.stanleyblackanddecker.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=114416&p=quarterlyearnings

Also a small correction. When I listened to the audio before I had said thought it was the CEO, but just now looking at the transcript the guy talking on the call at that point was "Jeffery D. Ansell - Stanley Black & Decker, Inc. - Executive VP of Global Tools & Storage and President of Global Tools & Storage". Here is the relevant snippet from the transcript below:

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I noticed in that transcript is says 85% of the 1000 tools they will release a year will be made worldwide. To me that sounds like only 15% will be made stateside. Not a fan of that.

Edit: Nevermind, I didnt finish reading when I posted that. Thats the figure for now, but it later reads that within a few years more than half will be made here. That I do like.

Another thing I noticed in the transcript was they said they purchased a preeminent metal tool manufacturer IN waterloo. To me that sounds like they purchased a facility in Waterloo, Iowa, but I doubt that is correct.

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I like my International (Canada). I just use it on the farm, I don't move it around at all.

Unless you're worried about national security issues, Canada I feel is close enough eh ?

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Wait, so does that mean Waterloo will no longer be manufacturing Waterloo branded boxes?
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I'm sure they'll continue.

In testimony last November, they reported that they have a ton of idle capacity, so I imagine they'll continue to make whatever they think they can sell, unless legacy Craftsman orders for Sears and new Craftsman orders for SBD/Lowe's takes up all that idle capacity and then some.
 
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