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Milwaukee M12 rotary tool (2460) vs Dremel

theoldwizard1

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I have a 20+ year old Dremel rotary tool. Of course it is corded. It does have variable speed control that really does NOT work well. Even though it spins up to an ungodly speed, it has no torque. I would gladly sacrifice some RPM for more torque. (Milwaikee - Hint, hint ! How about a fuel verison with 2 speed ranges !)

I am almost ready to buy Milwaukee M12 rotary tool but I am looking for some first hand feedback.
 
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I use mine quite often and used it extensively the past few weeks. I have ZERO complaints with the tool. The variable speed works well and I encounter very little vibration unless I am doing something stupid with it. It's not a battery hog at all and I generally use a 2.0 in mine. In my opinion, it's a good investment.
 

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I need to get one of these... I picked up a cordless Hitachi at Lowe's like 6 months ago on clearance and killed it this week doing drywall work...
 

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I have old Dremel corded tool and I really like my M12 rotary tool. Haven't used the Dremel since
 

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I've been on the cusp of buying the Milwaukee version for a couple years now but never got around to it. I've been waiting for a fuel version to come out but for whatever reason there hasn't been one. I have a single speed corded Dremel as well as a variable speed Harbor Freight rotary tool. Has there been any chatter about a fuel version being released?
 

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Variable speed works great, you can push on it pretty good without it stalling. I use it a lot in the winter with diamond stones for sharpening chain saw chains.
 

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I love mine, the ergonomics of it are much better than my old Dremel. That said, the chuck on mine seems awfully stiff and doesn't like to let go of the bit, but hopefully it softens up with use.
 

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Started reading the thread, I am pretty much in same situation as OP, old dremel acting up and needs replacement. It runs, but jumps ro high and SCREAMS.

Then I hit this:

Love mine. Doubles as a file for my dogs nails.

How loud is it? Dog is skittish since I cut his quick accidentally. Need to trim his nails...
 

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love mine. Doubles as a file for my dogs nails.

this..... the dog doesn’t agree though.

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I wore out my corded Dremel and the cordless battery on the Dremel that replaced it is aging. So of course, my M12 rotary is on order. Now that I have a basket full of M12 tools battery issues should be a thing of the past.
 

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If you are into M12 that makes a difference. Bosch makes a nice 12 volt rotary, too. I have the batteries for that one.

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I actually bought an m12 today... I already use all m12 and m18 tools, so that was a factor, but I was looking at the cordless dremels on display at HD because Dremel has always made a great product.

I need a rotary tool occasionally to engrave data tags, and for some minor grinding/polishing/sharpening tasks.

I was looking at the Dremel 8220, Dremel micro, and the m12. The micro was really nice for how small it was, but it might be underpowered for certain tasks. The 8220 is about 1/2 longer than the m12 (both without batteries), and the 8220 seemed to be quite a bit bulkier than the m12.

The 8220 was 99, the micro was 89, but those were both kits with batteries/cases and the m12 was 69 for the bare tool.

Being as I already have the batteries, I bought the m12, a Dremel 130 pc accessories kit, and a small dewalt organizer that fits the tool and the accessories. The total for those 3 was around 110, but the case is high quality and I got way more accessories than buying either of the Dremel packages.

Messed around with the tool a bit, and it’s very nice and smooth. It worked great to cut/modify the organizer dividers (to fit the tool better) and I played around grinding the edges on some sheet metal I had laying out.
 
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I've been through 2 Dremels over the past 20 years or so. 99% of the time I reach for the Dremel is to use it with a cut off wheel in a tight space.

I bought the m12 about 2 months ago and have used it a few times. I bought the kit version and it cam with a mandrel and cut off wheels that are junk. Once I put the Dremel mandrel and wheels in the m12, it made the m12 so much better.

I'm very happy with the m12 rotary tool and will never buy another Dremel.
 

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I have a 20+ year old Dremel rotary tool. Of course it is corded. It does have variable speed control that really does NOT work well. Even though it spins up to an ungodly speed, it has no torque. I would gladly sacrifice some RPM for more torque. (Milwaikee - Hint, hint ! How about a fuel verison with 2 speed ranges !)

I am almost ready to buy Milwaukee M12 rotary tool but I am looking for some first hand feedback.

Its very good.
Ave liked it too.
 

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My new Milwaukee arrived this past week and I finally got a chance to try it out. It seems to have lots more torque than the Dremel. I like it much better than the Dremel and really like having extra M12 batteries for it. Bonus is that all of the Dremel accessories fit just fine.
 

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Bought one recently and wished I had bought it sooner. I used it with an abrasive wheel to cut a bearing out that I couldn't reach any other way. Already having other Milwaukee cordless tools did help push be getting it though.
 
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I have countless hours on my m12 rotary tool and it keeps on spinning with no complaints.

My son and I found it necessary to replace many body panels including floorboards, sail panels, cowl, dash and more during the restoration of his 1970 Nova. Due to having a woefully under powered air compressor that could not properly spin a cutoff tool, the M12 rotary tool became the cutter of choice. Based on its size, lack of an air hose and the thin blades, it made making precise cuts through sheetmetal a breeze.

I have yet to find an accessory from my old Dremel kit that did not fit. I found the quick release chuck and EZ Lock metal cutting blades to be particularly useful.
 
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I use my Milwaukee 2460 way more than I thought I would, and never use my corded Dremel any more. Little known secret with the Milwaukee collet is to not bottom out the bit when you install it. When its time to remove the bit, just losen the nut and push the bit in and the collet will release and bit will come right out.
 

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This thread has convinced me I need one of these M12 rotary tools... but... are there ever any good 'deals' on them???
 

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I too was looking at getting this I have a Dremel 8220 but the runtime on it just subpar plus it takes forever for it to charge.
 

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I've used a Dremel enough times to know I don't want one. They seem under-powered and fragile. In its place, I got a Makita electric die grinder. It's like a big Dremel, with a real motor and a variable speed. I've never been bothered by the extra size.

Although an M12 is tempting...
 

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I use my Milwaukee 2460 way more than I thought I would, and never use my corded Dremel any more. Little known secret with the Milwaukee collet is to not bottom out the bit when you install it. When its time to remove the bit, just losen the nut and push the bit in and the collet will release and bit will come right out.

That’s a great tip! Thanks
 

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Since I bought my M12 Cordless Rotary tool, I find myself using it a lot more than I ever did with the Dremel it replaced. Good power/weight ratio and I'm already invested in the M12platform (which I'm still expanding...)
The Dremel is a dead-end platform; reason enough to eliminate it as a viable choice IMO.
 

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I use my Milwaukee 2460 way more than I thought I would, and never use my corded Dremel any more. Little known secret with the Milwaukee collet is to not bottom out the bit when you install it. When its time to remove the bit, just losen the nut and push the bit in and the collet will release and bit will come right out.

I'll have to try that out tomorrow. Thanks

It was my first M12 tool, and may be my favorite. It has enough power for anything I've needed it for, yet don't have the cord to cumber the space up. It runs fine on compact batteries, but is nice to set down on an XC fat end too.

If you have dremel attachments, the rubber shroud comes up, and works with the M12. I have the blade sharper attachment guide, which I no longer use, & a drill press apparatus (craftsman branded) that work perfect with the attachment collar.

If mine broke, I'd don't think I'd have any qualms about paying the $70 it is new. Way outside 5 years on that one now
 

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I must have got a bad one because mine burned out less then 3 months after buying it. I was not using it that hard either. I bought this instead of buying more batteries for my cordless dremel since i already had quite a few M12 batteries. I took it to a local warranty repair shop over a month ago and it is not repaired yet. I have around a dozen Miwaukee cordless tools and the only problem i have had is shady repair shops.
 

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I have a total of three M12 rotary tools. They are overall decent tools, a lot of power, and more RPM than most. But problems in the past with them and back-and-forth with stores and Milwaukee service make me cautious when using them.

First off, it seems to be hit-and-miss if you will get a noisy bearing when you buy these things. It seems the main (chuck-end) ball bearing is either of very variable quality, or the bearings are getting damaged when they are installed. One of the first tools I got had an extremely noisy and "sticking" bearing. Twisting the chuck by hand, I could feel it stick on occasions, sometimes so bad the tool would not begin turning with the speed set to its lowest. I took that tool apart and did some investigating. Like most cordless rotary tools, there is a single, larger ball bearing nearest to the chuck. The motor itself has two ball bearings as well, unlike many cordless tools that use simple bronze oilite bearings. The "main" bearing on this particular tool was terrible, and actually would get warm after less than a minute of use, with no load. I returned that tool, and got a replacement. Night and day difference. Smooth running, no issues, no heat. Not long after that, I discovered what happens if you bind up the bit, or, in this case, a cutting disc, into the work and the speed is set to about midway or higher. If you stall the motor, the speed control will almost immediately burn up. One of the two internal power transistors that control the speed will pop and let loose the magic smoke. Once this happens, the tool will actually still run, but will have no appreciable torque. Take the tool back, exchange it for another (this is a span of about two weeks since buying the first tool). I ended up with another loud bearing. Once again, I head back to HD and talk to the customer service people. I was not the first to have an issue with these tools (they had been just released within a month or two) and we all figured there was a bad batch of first run production examples. I get a replacement, the bearing in this case wasn't entirely silent, but didn't sound like it was self destructing. My projects of that time using the new tool went along fine and dandy, and life was good. Or so I thought.

A friend had come to visit and we had, as usual, been chatting about tools and working on stuff. The subject of the M12 rotary tool came up, and I was singing the praises of the power and speed of that tool compared to my previous cordless Dremels. He was interested in getting one, so I set up some scrap and let him try it out. All went fine, until he either engaged the spindle lock or held onto the chuck while turning up the speed to feel the torque, and, POP. There went the MOSFET in the tool, and, again, the same near-zero torque, despite being able to adjust the speed with the dial. The motor wouldn't start on its own until you dialed up a bit, but the tool was useless. This one ended up going to the local Milwaukee service center. They simply handed me a new one, no questions asked. In so many words, the rep said that these tools don't have a good enough overload circuit, and will be damaged if stalled when the speed is set close to or at maximum. For the record, the bearing on THAT replacement was pretty decent.

I decided I wanted a second , and bought another when there was a bit of a sale. I was surprised at this one. The bearings were nearly silent; on a low speed the tool sounded like an old-school aircraft gyro, with the ball bearings quietly zinging along. I thought they had finally gotten their act together and figured out the bearing issues, but was too afraid to see if the overload fault had been fixed. My buddy that burned up my first tool got one for himself, and, so far, hasn't had any problems either. The bearing on his is a bit noisy, though.

To wrap up this tale, I found the M12 rotary tool to be the most variable in quality of all the Milwaukee cordless tools I have (and that's quite a lot). If yours is spinning but has no power, the fault is in the speed control. My "circuit analysis" tells me the control is sort of two stage in nature, there are two separate power MOSFETs that feed power to the motor, both driven by the same PWM set by the dial, but one is more set to deliver power under load, while the other maintains the no-load speed. The nice thing about the tool is that the speed doesn't vary a whole lot under power compared to other cordless tools like it, or the old corded Dremel tools. I recommend them, but, whatever you do, don't stall the bit in your work or otherwise overload the tool with the speed dial set above #2.
 

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I don't own a Milwaukee cordless mini-grinder, I don't have the Milwaukee cordless platform.

I do have a Dremel corded tool, multi-speed. I don't mind using the cord. My Dremel has saved me any-number of times. One use it's had is slotting the tiny phillips head screws on Yamaha motorcycles, which hold on the brake or clutch master cylinders. The flat-head phillips machine screws are so-small, that careless application of screwdriver torque will 'cam-out' (destroy) the phillips head, leaving you with a fastener probably too-small to drill-out.

Yes, I know-about the JIS Japanese screwdriver, I don't have one. I've found that lightly-removing the tip material on a phillips will give you a good approximation of the JIS screwdriver shape. I'm usually working on used bikes where someone-else has already buggered the hydraulic cylinder cover retention screws.

Someone would have to give me a Milwaukee cordless rotary tool, because I'm unlikely to buy one myself.

One of my oldest tools is a Sears "L'il Crafty" rotary tool I got one Christmas as a gift, I had asked for a Dremel, but the parents went to Sears, and got this. It's corded, w/a tapered die-cast body, and for being probably 55 years-old, it's seen some use. These days, I use it infrequently, but I used it yesterday to clean-up a SOHC Honda 750-4 brake master cylinder for a re-build, and for use on other front brake components, being cleaned/refurbished.

I don't mind dealing w/a cord, but if someone gave me a Milwaukee cordless small rotary tool, I'd try it out.

Awhile-ago I bought the Harbor Freight rotary tool, the corded model, for a second home, as an occasional use implement, to use for those particular times when nothing-else seems to work. When I saw the lightweight construction, I figured it would soon fail, but I've had it for probably a couple of years now, and it's still working fine, and still getting me out of those difficult situations where a small rotary tool will save the day.

When you get your Milwaukee, be sure to provide us with your use report.
 

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I have a 20+ year old Dremel rotary tool. Of course it is corded. It does have variable speed control that really does NOT work well. Even though it spins up to an ungodly speed, it has no torque. I would gladly sacrifice some RPM for more torque. (Milwaikee - Hint, hint ! How about a fuel verison with 2 speed ranges !)

I am almost ready to buy Milwaukee M12 rotary tool but I am looking for some first hand feedback.

After two POS variable speed Dremels,I gave up and bought the M12 rotary...
Love it,and no problems with the variable speed switch like the Dremel.
 

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The nice thing about the tool is that the speed doesn't vary a whole lot under power compared to other cordless tools like it, or the old corded Dremel tools. I recommend them, but, whatever you do, don't stall the bit in your work or otherwise overload the tool with the speed dial set above #2.

Thank you for all of your insight on the 2460.

My old Li-Ion Dremel Model 800 still works fine. But I have been considering adding a 2460 to my Milwaukee addiction. It would be nice if a FUEL version became available.
 

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It would be nice if a FUEL version became available.

Only if they don't increase the weight/size like the was done on the original ratchet. I don't think I've ever come close to overloading, but I'd rather have a light weight, nimble tool for a lot of the things I use it for, over increased power if that involves a decent weight increase
 

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Started reading the thread, I am pretty much in same situation as OP, old dremel acting up and needs replacement. It runs, but jumps ro high and SCREAMS.

Then I hit this:



How loud is it? Dog is skittish since I cut his quick accidentally. Need to trim his nails...

Not any louder than a dremel. My dog doesn’t love it, but it’s quick and easy.
 

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After two POS variable speed Dremels,I gave up and bought the M12 rotary...
Love it,and no problems with the variable speed switch like the Dremel.

LOL...
I've got two Dremels with stripped collet locks and two with worthless switches. Tired of shaking and slapping them to get the damn thing to come on, and then fighting with the crappy collet to change accessories. . No more Dremels for me! I bought a cheapie corded Wen on Amazon for when I need to abuse one for any length of time.
Love the M12 Cordless Rotary, it's nice to not be tethered to a cord for a quick cleanup or cutoff in a tight spot.
 

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Only if they don't increase the weight/size like the was done on the original ratchet. I don't think I've ever come close to overloading, but I'd rather have a light weight, nimble tool for a lot of the things I use it for, over increased power if that involves a decent weight increase

I completely agree. I was thinking about that but did not feel like typing it.

I prefer the size of my 3/8 brushed ratchet over the FUEL version.
 

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The M12 rotary tool is on my shopping list for the next 15% off eBay coupon.

I’ve had a good run on a corded Dremel over the years. My dad got me a kit when I was a teenager, I used the heck out of it on car stereo installs, modeling, and general automotive tasks. Last year, probably 25 years after getting it, the speed control went wonky. I replaced it with a new corded dremel, but I think I’d be happier with the M12 tool now.
 
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