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How should the "hot deals" forum be ran?

  • Keep it as it is and ban users that refuse to follow the rules.

    Votes: 885 47.4%
  • Be more lenient and allow some discussion.

    Votes: 783 42.0%
  • No moderation at all other than basic forum rules about decency, name calling, etc...

    Votes: 198 10.6%

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michiganman18

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I mainly frequent amazon, zoro, and a couple others. Only problem i have is when people complain about the deals not being true "deals". Some do not even offer anything themselves.

I posted once about a lowest historical price and got was told that it was only 5% and not even a deal. To each their own.

It does get a little old hearing from every single person about who's hammer or grinder got cancelled. But a warning about a cheaper price or a little backhistory on the items are enjoyable and nice to know.

I strive for happy medium.



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Link to that information please?

He is almost correct. It's not that you aren't allowed to share affiliate links on a forum, it's that you have to own or administer the domain that you post your affiliate links on. So since Ryan owns/administrates garagejournal.com, he is free to share whatever he wants.

When you apply to become an Amazon affiliate, you need to disclose the domain you will sharing your links on. If traffic is coming from a domain that you do not own or administrate, you will have your commission revoked.

Back to the original topic. I think discussions should be allowed if the deal is specific to a tool, not a generic coupon code. For instance, Amazon warehouse deals are item specific and not site specific. I think users should be able to freely share or ask for other's experience. What I think should not be allowed is complaining that the deal isn't always a super awesome black friday deal that they feel entitled to. Complaining that a deal isn't good enough will clutter a thread up, especially when people come to the defense of the person sharing the deal.
 
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I'd say the best idea is to stick to the forum rules since historically GJ has more banned members than all of the active members on other auto-tool sites combined.
 

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Hot deals should be exclusive to those members that have contributed productively to the forum. Build a wall :drink:
 

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Hot deals should be exclusive to those members that have contributed productively to the forum. Build a wall :drink:

You want to define "have contributed productively"?

Are you going to be the police who determine which member who have contributed productively? :lol_hitti
 

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You want to define "have contributed productively"?



Are you going to be the police who determine which member who have contributed productively? :lol_hitti



He wouldn’t even be allowed into the hot deals section if that was the case.
 

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You want to define "have contributed productively"?

Are you going to be the police who determine which member who have contributed productively? :lol_hitti

How about a paid membership area?
 

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How about a paid membership area?


I do not know the solution tbh but disagree about paying. I am sure like many others here, I am a member in different forum about deals. All of them free. What makes this one so special that I should pay? I got no problem paying if there is benefit for me. I am not saying that I haven’t benefited from information here but most if not all of those information can be found elsewhere for free.




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I do not know the solution tbh but disagree about paying. I am sure like many others here, I am a member in different forum about deals. All of them free. What makes this one so special that I should pay? I got no problem paying if there is benefit for me. I am not saying that I haven’t benefited from information here but most if not all of those information can be found elsewhere for free.




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Then.. Why are yu even on this forum if yu can find same info on other forums...we needed people who find deals and post, not lurker who leeches off the deal section.

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Then.. Why are yu even on this forum if yu can find same info on other forums...we needed people who find deals and post, not lurker who leeches off the deal section.

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- Because it is still free so I hang around here.

- You need people to find deals and post for you? :lol_hitti So why are you even on this forum? Oh wait... you need people to find deals for you....

- Before accusing me as lurker, how about this. How many time have you post a deal here? And how many time have I post a deal here? Now who is the lurker who leeches off the deal section?
 

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Contributed productively in the sense of staying on topic, getting the conversation moving forward and not leaning backwards. Some will want to fuel argument, others will like to make false claims, its common occurrence in all forums on the web. Forum admins should be having access to lay out auto-bots to detect abnormal posting behavior of its users. Then we don't have to read filler comments which just prolong a conversation and or deal long-expired. :)

You want to define "have contributed productively"?

Are you going to be the police who determine which member who have contributed productively? :lol_hitti
 

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I love the JACKS pizza deals the mostest

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Contributed productively in the sense of staying on topic, getting the conversation moving forward and not leaning backwards. Some will want to fuel argument, others will like to make false claims, its common occurrence in all forums on the web. Forum admins should be having access to lay out auto-bots to detect abnormal posting behavior of its users. Then we don't have to read filler comments which just prolong a conversation and or deal long-expired. :)

All I got productively from your post... is you are trying to define members as abnormal based on something that is measured by someone's subjective opinion.

I don't consider that productive... sorry... don't.
 

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These days automated scripts can be used as add-on's when running forums. Background algorithmic programs can make mistakes when identifying abnormal behavior, but for the most part can be programmed to be unbiased and focused mainly at the objective criteria, which is to remove any obtrusive posts. In some forums its been successful; I think its up to the web developers if they find it practical or not.

I totally agree with you that even its manual work involved, the determining of certain posts will be largely by someone's subjective opinion; which is why using the appropriate metadata and tags is key. It could help, but it can get a bit messy when configuring it / laying it upon an already well established-template. In some cases, depending on the type of programming used to manage a forum, it takes a little extra leg work to make something like this happen and sometimes not worth the time and aggravation to rebuild something from the bottom up. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

Its going to be up to us, as a community to make the forum well-engaged. If you suspect any behavior, the aspect is that the post can be reported to the mods and admins. From there, further necessary action can be made.

All I got productively from your post... is you are trying to define members as abnormal based on something that is measured by someone's subjective opinion.

I don't consider that productive... sorry... don't.
 

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I would like to see an option for remove no real value added and if enough folks agree, its gone.
Lately I spend more time getting through the BS comments just to see the actual deal. I believe the original idea was to make it quick and easy to show each other deals before they're gone. A bunch of little BS comments add up the a pile. Thank for creating the deals page and asking for our input. IMO - Moderators give a lot of their time, so they should be able to influence the overall tone of the site, or go make your own site. Thanks and best wishes
 

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A bit of discussion about the posted deal can be helpful.
 
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I think the main problem is this:

Professional couponers clash with dudes just looking for a good deal for themselves. Problem is these couponers provide a **** ton of the deals, but they also provide a **** ton of the drama. They get all competitive with themselves... it’s weird.

I don’t know what to do. I am glad it seems to be mostly sequestered to the Home Depot thread... and I’m not sure why that is... but man. It’s nuts.

I’ve actually been contacted by Home Depot over a user, threatened with a subpoena for one users data, called out for being on an ego trip by another user, told by yet another I was singling him out after his **** stirring was deleted, and finally told to go f-myself.

All this and I don’t even know what a penny deal is...
 

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Moderating a forum can be difficult. Judgment calls hopefully will considered "correct" by 95% of the community. Occasional mistakes are bound to happen. I've never been able to make everyone happy in the forum I help moderate and don't try to.
 

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The hot deals forum used to be my favorite and the first section I would check when signing onto GJ each time. I’ve mentioned this before, but the Hot Deals permathreads ruined it for me. I prefer to just read the deal in the thread title, read the first post stating the deal, and then decide whether I want to take advantage of the deal. Hot Deal permathreads require much more work to find the deals mixed in with all the ongoing posts and BS in between. Now I check the Hot Deals forum last after signing on, and almost always skip past the many permathreads, eliminating many deals that I may have wanted to take advantage of. Oh well, so be it!
 
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The hot deals forum used to be my favorite and the first section I would check when signing onto GJ each time. I’ve mentioned this before, but the Hot Deals permathreads ruined it for me. I prefer to just read the deal in the thread title, read the first post stating the deal, and then decide whether I want to take advantage of the deal. Hot Deal permathreads require much more work to find the deals mixed in with all the ongoing posts and BS in between. Now I check the Hot Deals forum last after signing on, and almost always skip past the many permathreads, eliminating many deals that I may have wanted to take advantage of. Oh well, so be it!

I'm about there with you man.
 

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The hot deals forum used to be my favorite and the first section I would check when signing onto GJ each time. I’ve mentioned this before, but the Hot Deals permathreads ruined it for me. I prefer to just read the deal in the thread title, read the first post stating the deal, and then decide whether I want to take advantage of the deal. Hot Deal permathreads require much more work to find the deals mixed in with all the ongoing posts and BS in between. Now I check the Hot Deals forum last after signing on, and almost always skip past the many permathreads, eliminating many deals that I may have wanted to take advantage of. Oh well, so be it!
I used to do the exact same thing and now I too skip all the permathreads because they're so clogged up with deals. I'd rather scroll through two pages of individual threads than a few pages of deals in one thread.
 

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The hot deals forum used to be my favorite and the first section I would check when signing onto GJ each time. I’ve mentioned this before, but the Hot Deals permathreads ruined it for me. I prefer to just read the deal in the thread title, read the first post stating the deal, and then decide whether I want to take advantage of the deal. Hot Deal permathreads require much more work to find the deals mixed in with all the ongoing posts and BS in between. Now I check the Hot Deals forum last after signing on, and almost always skip past the many permathreads, eliminating many deals that I may have wanted to take advantage of. Oh well, so be it!

+1 to this. With the permathreads, you have to read many pages to get the info on a specific deal. Much better to have a thread for each deal.
 

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Just an idea for a way for both the chatters and the deal focused members to live in harmony. :headscrat Maybe in the long threads deals could be posted with bold or coloured text so you can quickly scroll through ignoring the chat in normal text just stopping on the deal posts. Or have 'deal' icon/pic on every deal post to make them stand out. eg
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Just an idea for a way for both the chatters and the deal focused members to live in harmony. :headscrat Maybe in the long threads deals could be posted with bold or coloured text so you can quickly scroll through ignoring the chat in normal text just stopping on the deal posts. Or have 'deal' icon/pic on every deal post to make them stand out. eg
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One of the better ideas I've read. Now to get everyone to remember & follow along :willy_nil
 

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+1 to this. With the permathreads, you have to read many pages to get the info on a specific deal. Much better to have a thread for each deal.

There was a discussion earlier in this thread about why the permathreads are so much better and easier to use. It appears a lot of people are not using the "read new posts" button, the blue arrow to the left of the thread title. If you click that, it shows only the new posts you have not read. It's basically the separate thread feature in the permathread, pretty much what you guys are requesting.
 
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create all the rules you want for people to follow in the deals section.

require certain colors in subjects: the location in one color (because i dont care if the store isn't near me), the brand in another (but some yellow's get lost on my screen, so choose one of the darker ones).

wait a minute. should the locations all be in one color, or should different locations have different colors (like Home Depot in orange, and Lowes in blue)? then brands can also be in different colors (like Milwaukee in red, and Dewalt in yellow (please see above about yellow)). we can rely on their order in the subject to indicate which field it is (location first, brand second).

well, i am sure we can work that out, right? seems simple enough.

calculate the percentage off of list and include that in the subject. dont forget to also include enough of a description so that the reader knows *exactly* what is being offered, including model numbers, sizes, and colors, if applicable.

then, in the body, include a list of several other locations with their prices, so the reader can make sure it is a reasonable deal, with the minimum possible investment on their part. we will also need to include any codes needed, along with any restrictions (single use, min purchase, having an account, only certain sizes or colors, expiration date). oh, yeah, we should mention if there are any limits (three per customer, and if it is per day, per visit, or just three per customer).

we need to provide structure for this information also, so that the reader can quickly determine if they are interested.

actually, make sure that the new site software includes enough filtering at the thread summation level that i can sort the postings so that the newest appear first. actually, the newest without comments appear before the ones with comments, because i dont want the comments pushing something i have already seen to the top. the exception, of course, would be if the comment is more than a month after the last comment, which might imply that the deal is back, so i want the option to have it treated like there were no comments (or maybe pushed to the top of the group that have comments. hmmmmmm).

furthermore, providing a way to sort them so that certain location's deals appear first, keyed on the provided percentage off so that higher percentages are at the top would be great. actually, also allowing me to select an order for brands to effect the ranking would be really useful. i want the Elora 50% off deals at amazon.com to appear before the Wiha 60% off deals at amazon.de.

but wait, maybe there should also be a way to include shipping costs in all this. and a dynamic system that keeps track of who is charging sales tax, and who isn't, because that really effects my price, doesnt it?


oh, and remember that the system needs to enforce the structure of the subjects ("title" according to the screen i am looking at). it will be much easier to do all this if the "title" is always in the correct order, not to mention easier to understand.

we should probably form a committee to evaluate suggestions for additions to this. changing the order of the items to add an additional bit of information should be possible, but the mixing of old posts with new ones will make sorting harder. of course, this is a well understood problem. the two common fixes are to add a version number to the end of the subject ("title"), or to take the system down for maintenance and add all those fields to older postings to bring them up to date.

sure, this is all doable, and i am sure that the people posting the deals won't have a problem with all this extra work. after all, it is for the benefit of the community, isn't it?

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^^^ Oh dear. I don't like it in here. Backing away quietly.

Edited my post in case it was offensive.
 
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^^^ Oh dear. I don't like it in here. Backing away quietly. Sorry for giving you an aneurysm...

I'm trying to listen to Boston's bulldozer right now, but that post bulldozed my brain. I like a lot of the ideas, but I might need to get paid to remember to do all that.
 

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There was a discussion earlier in this thread about why the permathreads are so much better and easier to use. It appears a lot of people are not using the "read new posts" button, the blue arrow to the left of the thread title. If you click that, it shows only the new posts you have not read. It's basically the separate thread feature in the permathread, pretty much what you guys are requesting.

Unfortunately, new posts can also include a few pages of just chatter, with no new deals. I don’t have the patience to read every member’s experience while they were ordering from Sears! Or why they think a Husky box is better than a HF box. I can read that in the General Tool Discussion forum. I don’t know how many times I’ve scrolled though the last few pages of new posts, trying to pick out the deal that everyone is referring, only to finally just say screw it and move on.
 
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Unfortunately, new posts can also include a few pages of just chatter, with no new deals. I don’t have the patience to read every member’s experience when ordering from Sears! Or why they think a Husky box is better than a HF box. I can read that in the General Tool Discussion forum. I don’t know how many times I’ve scrolled though the last few pages of new posts, trying to pick out the deal that everyone is referring, only to finally just say screw it and move on.

It seems that most people find those reviews and comments helpful, most of the time, but it's fine that you have a different opinion.

From my perspective, when I visit a forum I think of it like visiting a friend's home. I may not like the paint color on the walls or may think his kids are disruptive - but will understand it is his home and his choice, not mine. If he asks (as the mod did in this thread), I'm happy to share my view, but will understand that the decisions may be made in favor of the majority.

I'm surprised a lot of people seem to expect the board to change to suit their personal preference. For me, it's more productive to learn to use the board features to accomplish what I want to do.

It's sort of like email - I have friends who complain about "too many" emails when they get 20 emails in a day, and others who easily deal with hundreds a day. The ones who get more emails figure out ways that work for them to deal with the volume, the ones who get 20 complain and remain disconnected from a lot of things.
 

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It seems that most people find those reviews and comments helpful, most of the time, but it's fine that you have a different opinion.

From my perspective, when I visit a forum I think of it like visiting a friend's home. I may not like the paint color on the walls or may think his kids are disruptive - but will understand it is his home and his choice, not mine. If he asks (as the mod did in this thread), I'm happy to share my view, but will understand that the decisions may be made in favor of the majority.

I'm surprised a lot of people seem to expect the board to change to suit their personal preference. For me, it's more productive to learn to use the board features to accomplish what I want to do.

It's sort of like email - I have friends who complain about "too many" emails when they get 20 emails in a day, and others who easily deal with hundreds a day. The ones who get more emails figure out ways that work for them to deal with the volume, the ones who get 20 complain and remain disconnected from a lot of things.

Everyone’s reviews and comments are fine with me, and I’ve done my share of comments myself. But I feel that those comments could be posted after a hot deal is listed in a new thread title and first post describing the hot deal.The more posts on the subject after that would be great. Members can choose to read or not. But trying to find the deals mixed in with ongoing pages and pages of comments, with more commenting than deal posting is often a PITA.

If the majority prefer permathreads, then the majority rules and I’m fine with that. No one is forcing me to read them.
 
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forgive me for upsetting some of you.

actually, this is an easy thing to fix. the people who want the deals not in the permathreads should just post them directly in the Hot Deals Forum, as some already do.

the people who want the deals in a tightly run area, cut a deal with ryan giving them superuser authority over that limited area, and create a thread that lists the rules for posting at the beginning, and then those people can ruthlessly delete the posts that dont conform.

this has been tested, and confirmed to work. people complained that the amazon thread had too many posts for things that they didnt consider tools. someone went off an created another thread. no one complains anymore, and both threads continue on.

easy, right?
 

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a52-830 said:
create all the rules you want for people to follow in the deals section.

:lol: that was pretty good. :lol:

The only one of the "hot deal" threads I pay any attention to is the "Ebay hot deal" thread, and it appears I am the most prolific contributor to the thread.
It's getting anywhere from 150-300 hits a day - give or take - and I'm not seeing a lot of complaints about it, nor am I seeing an overabundance of ********. Now and then there will be a half a dozen posts of comments and discussion about some kind of "rebate" deal or something along that line, but it's pretty easy to just skip over those.

Again, as I don't pay any attention to any of the other "hot deal" threads, I don't understand what all the noise is about, but it sounds like the same issue inherent in all internet discussion forum sites: most members are unwilling or unable to use any restraint, and feel compelled to post something, even if it's meaningless drivel, like this post. ;)

Carry on. :)
 

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"should be ran"?

time to correct the typo
 

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I think the bottom 2 option (votes) should be added together vs option 1 (votes). Option 1 includes a ban, which may be overkill as that member may contribute elsewhere on the site.
 

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If you click that, it shows only the new posts you have not read. It's basically the separate thread feature in the permathread, pretty much what you guys are requesting.

Problem is dedicating time. Sometimes I am lucky to get on once a week due to being so busy.

I do check my email multiple times a day, so when subscribing to a forum and getting a list a new threads I can glance or just delete.

The current style helps my pocket book at least.
 

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I think Ryan should use his own best judgement. When he gets tired of the interruptions and nonsense, I believe he should do as he thinks best suits the site.

You'll never satisfy everyone. You seem to be satisfying most. If they don't like it, they don't have to participate.
 

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Can we add a way to remove the "active" flair on a thread?

I have seen many many threads that are labeled as active long after the deal is no longer active, which very much defeats the purpose for the flare. A no longer active would let others know the deal is gone.
 

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Re: ★★★ voice your opinion on the hot deals forum ★★★

I agree - I just used the "active" prefix yesterday (probably what prompted your post) with the intention to edit it to "dead" when the deal expired.

However, vBulletin is currently configured to disallow editing the prefix, even though you can edit the thread title. It is possible to configure vbulletin to allow the OP to edit the thread prefix.

If the site admin does not make this change, the prefix option should be removed because it is useless. Nobody will create a new thread with the prefix "dead", and currently, it is not possible to change the prefix from "active" to "dead".
 
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