Tools of Japan

giants · Dec 7, 2019

tomalophicon said:
Picked up this NOS 3/8" socket set from a pawn shop - $82 AUD shipped. About $50US.
Nice pieces, very well made, nice deep nurling and very thin walls on the sockets. 6mm-26mm
The extensions have a wobble and a solid setting.
Any idea which company may have made these? Can't guess at the vintage.
You gotta love a tool with an acrostic poem on the tin.

What a great deal!

What is the tooth count on the ratchet?

Do the sockets have any markings other than the size and "Japan?"

M6erfan · Dec 7, 2019

tomalophicon said:
Picked up this NOS 3/8" socket set from a pawn shop - $82 AUD shipped. About $50US.
Nice pieces, very well made, nice deep nurling and very thin walls on the sockets. 6mm-26mm
The extensions have a wobble and a solid setting.
Any idea which company may have made these? Can't guess at the vintage.
You gotta love a tool with an acrostic poem on the tin.

Those look really nice, great design. Love that knurling!

Edit: Wanna sell it? :drool:

mr.lemons · Dec 7, 2019

There is a weird Facebook page for Minimax tools.

https://www.facebook.com/MinimaxPrecisionTools/

Reed Prince · Dec 7, 2019

From that Facebook page:

tomalophicon · Dec 7, 2019

giants said:
What a great deal!

What is the tooth count on the ratchet?

Do the sockets have any markings other than the size and "Japan?"

The ratchet has 40 teeth.
Yes each is additionally marked MINIMAX chrome vanadium.

tomalophicon · Dec 7, 2019

M6erfan said:
Those look really nice, great design. Love that knurling!

Edit: Wanna sell it?

Hehe. No not at this stage...

tomalophicon · Dec 7, 2019

Reed Prince said:
From that Facebook page:

Yeah NOS Minimax tools have since flooded Australian Ebay and other sites and there are some fantastic deals to be found, not only for Japanese made tools by a few from West Germany too.

I believe that fella James bought all of their stock and the company name and was selling it for a while.

Ralf99 · Dec 7, 2019

Minimax was/is a rebranding company that has been around in Australia for 50+ years, with a large warehouse inventory in Geelong, Victoria.
They are currently liquidating a lot of this stock which can be found in bulk lots on Grays Online.

The socket set you have is made by SEK in Japan, generally a very good mid level manufacturer/brand. Much of their stock was manufactured in the 90’s, and to be able to brand them as Minimax had to be purchased in large quantities - hence the well stocked warehouse.
During the 90’s, when Australia’s Sidchrome brand was sold off to Stanley who offshored manufacture to Taiwan, and Kincrome started heavily marketing their brand of China/Taiwan made hand tools; Minimax found an increasingly tough market for their relatively high priced made in Japan tools and were effectively muscled out of the market.

Many of their screwdriver range are top quality Felo from the early 90’s as well. I don’t know who made their spanners, but their design is an early “flank drive” and not too bad.

Sad to see them in hard times.

Ralf99 · Dec 7, 2019

James generally goes by the name Jimmy, and is the grandson of the founder of Minimax. He has been working hard to re-establish the Minimax name in the local automotive industry, but has found it an uphill battle.

The realities of having a large warehouse of tools and not being able to shift a large enough quantity every month to pay the bills has been punishing for him.
As I understand the situation, Jimmy has a bunch of stock to keep his sales activities going for the medium term, but the vast majority of stock is/has been liquidated by Grays and is showing up on Ebay etc in floods - cannibalising potential sales for Jimmy for the foreseeable.

Full disclosure - I have bought Minimax tools in lots from Grays, Ebay sellers, and Jimmy himself who I am on friendly terms with. He has been a regular sight selling tools at “grass roots” level at local weekend markets around Geelong and country Victoria for a number of years - interesting character to talk to.

BigBoreFan · Dec 7, 2019

One thing I like about this thread, no Snap ON vs Harbor Freight debates. This is a very civil thread. Everyone just enjoying Japanese Tools.

superautobacs · Dec 8, 2019

Ralf99,

Thanks for the insight!

I took a look through some of the photos and my best guess was, depending on the socketry item, to be either SEK or FLAG as the OEM, with a vintage of 80's-90's.
The wrenches are hard to pinpoint...could be AIGO or ASAHI or ?? :headscrat

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Ralf99 · Dec 8, 2019

Just a few random Minimax branded goodies..

3/8 drive inhex - red is SEK, grey is Minimax

3/8 stubby and flex ratchets

Knurling next to a late 80’s SEK 3/8 breaker bar

Pliers - no idea of OEM

Early “Frankenstein” style ratcheting wrenches - coarse tooth

Double swivel extension

Captive screwdrivers - Felo can still be seen in the molded handle

Torx drivers - again Felo still on the handle

1/4 drive fingertip ratchet

Nicely weighted plastic hammer

Well used 3/8 universal

1/2 drive metric universal impacts, again SEK

With the exceptions of the sockets, ratchets and screw/torx drivers I am not sure of the OEM, but can probably find out direct from the source in due course if anyone is particularly interested.

I have handled the spanners but don’t own any - to me they don’t “feel” like Asahi, and don’t necessarily exude a sense of overly good quality.

jack.dios · Dec 8, 2019

mr.lemons said:
Welcome jack.dios. Nice tools. This forum has an issue with pics hosted on Imgur. They only show if you remove the 's' from https when posting.

Thank you sir for the insight! unfortunately after i removed the "s", there is a message for me to post more than 5 before linking any image. i guess i have to post more frequent then

giants said:
Congrats!

What brand/models of chinesium sockets and ratchets do you own?

Did you buy the Ko-ken in a set or separately?

Where did you buy them from?

How have are the Ko-ken ratchet and sockets doing so farm especially when you compare them to your chinesium?

Would you post photos of #2 and let us know the part numbers for the ratchet and sockets?

My current chinesium tools is unbranded and very low in quality. Sockets/screwdriver/t handle are all worn out. The ko-ken ratchet and sockets arent bought in a set. The difference is definitely day and night! It feels wayyyyyyy better and sturdy. The socket almost have zero wiggle when attach to the ratchet. Maybe because it is still new, so lets see how it goes over the years. The part number for my ratchet is 4753N and socket is 4405M.

I stay in Malaysia, and each of the tools i post bought from different place. There is only one shop in my country that sells Ko-ken, and its in a different state from where i live. I will share more once i reached my minimum post to link image later on. Thanks!

Reed Prince · Dec 8, 2019

jack.dios said:
Thank you sir for the insight! unfortunately after i removed the "s", there is a message for me to post more than 5 before linking any image. i guess i have to post more frequent then

My current chinesium tools is unbranded and very low in quality. Sockets/screwdriver/t handle are all worn out. The ko-ken ratchet and sockets arent bought in a set. The difference is definitely day and night! It feels wayyyyyyy better and sturdy. The socket almost have zero wiggle when attach to the ratchet. Maybe because it is still new, so lets see how it goes over the years. The part number for my ratchet is 4753N and socket is 4405M.

I stay in Malaysia, and each of the tools i post bought from different place. There is only one shop in my country that sells Ko-ken, and its in a different state from where i live. I will share more once i reached my minimum post to link image later on. Thanks!

I'll post your picture for you.

1foxracing · Dec 8, 2019

superautobacs said:
Ralf99,

Thanks for the insight!

I took a look through some of the photos and my best guess was, depending on the socketry item, to be either SEK or FLAG as the OEM, with a vintage of 80's-90's.
The wrenches are hard to pinpoint...could be AIGO or ASAHI or ??

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Chris can you translate this, any country of origin text?

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mr.lemons · Dec 8, 2019

Ralf99 said:
Just a few random Minimax branded goodies..

The snipe/long nose pliers look nice.

mr.lemons · Dec 8, 2019

1foxracing said:
Chris can you translate this, any country of origin text?

Google translate. May not work as well as Chris translate.

4 907587 008749 Woody Swivel Ratchet Handle A Note ● Please check the usage
for LA size before use. Please put it in the correct torque. Note to the
ratchet. ● If you see a purchase certificate, stop using it immediately.
Please use the drive as far as you can see. ● Do not listen to pipes on
the handle. ● Be careful of short-circuiting when working on the hanger.
● The paper is printed with a title or an injury. ● Please pay attention
to your child. ● Do not use for hitting work. The day size will be
changed without notice. Product name: Woody Iber ratchet handle Machine
hanger side product number: HRH2-SW 194ichi A Vessel Co., Ltd. Osaka City
Higashisei-ku 2-17-17 Fukae TEL 06-69767771 http://www.vessel.co.jp/

1foxracing · Dec 8, 2019

^ Thanks Mr Lemons!
All products sold in the USA according to US Customs are suppose to be clearly marked with "Country of Origin" but since they were special ordered early for me I'm not going to complain.

Qualitytools · Dec 8, 2019

^Would like to hear some feedback on those Vessel Swivel Ratchets please. Thanks

superautobacs · Dec 8, 2019

Ralf99 said:
Just a few random Minimax branded goodies..

With the exceptions of the sockets, ratchets and screw/torx drivers I am not sure of the OEM, but can probably find out direct from the source in due course if anyone is particularly interested.

I have handled the spanners but don’t own any - to me they don’t “feel” like Asahi, and don’t necessarily exude a sense of overly good quality.

Thanks for sharing those photos.
I wonder if Aigo might have made the locking pliers.
Do the snipe nose pliers have any other stampings (number/letters)?

mr.lemons said:
Google translate. May not work as well as Chris translate.

Google translate delivers high quality translation :lol_hitti

Mark, can you please re-upload your photo as the link is down.

If it's COO that you're wondering, I have little doubt that it's from Taiwan. Like the first release of their pear-head ratchet, when I saw the design of the roto head (the directional "knob") I knew that it's not something new. That design has been around for many years, and offered by multiple brands, like MAC, DEEN, Carlyle, etc. There could be a possibility that the handle grips are pressed on by Vessel, in Japan.

Ralf99 · Dec 9, 2019

superautobacs said:
Thanks for sharing those photos.

I wonder if Aigo might have made the locking pliers.

Do the snipe nose pliers have any other stampings (number/letters)?.

The only other marking is 80K cast in both arms near the pivot point.

They appear well made to me.

1foxracing · Dec 9, 2019

Qualitytools said:
^Would like to hear some feedback on those Vessel Swivel Ratchets please. Thanks

They are pretty much the same as any other 72T roto head but with Vessel's unique handle.

darkzero · Dec 10, 2019

Got me connector pliers or whatever also. Never knew these existed if it weren't for GJ, would have came in real handy when I worked at a shop.

Got the Merry ones directly from Nile Merry US. The KTCs I tried to order from FranksTools. Never heard of them until mentioned here & people's positive experiences with them. Wasn't the case for me. Ordered 11/22 & then silence. Emailed them 3 times asking about my order, they finally replied 12/5, simply saying they were OOS, nothing more. They did issue a refund that day but in the form of echeck (Paypal). Ok whatever. Then today I get an email from Paypal stating their bank declined the transaction & another refund attempt will be made in 3 days. Really, wtf! Over 2 weeks & Mr Frank still has my money. I like to try & support B&Ms but this is very unprofessional, I'll never try to purchase from them again.

Ordered the KTCs from Amazon Japan, took only 2 business days to arrive once shipped & was only $2 more than Frank's price with his 10% discount or whatever. I don't need both of them so I think I'll be selling the Merry ones.

mercucho · Dec 11, 2019

Small Toyo brand toolbox. Ideal to carry the most essential tools for any job or even to take them in the car.

Balor · Dec 11, 2019

Mercucho would you please tell me the name of the screw driver and bits you have in the above tool box.

mercucho · Dec 11, 2019

Balor said:
Mercucho would you please tell me the name of the screw driver and bits you have in the above tool box.

Of course. The screwdriver is a ratchet Anex model 397 H and the tip set is PB Swiss Tools reference PB-C6L-100190192

Salmanslim · Dec 13, 2019

Koken 3/8 custom kit for car maintenance.

Sent from my iPhone using Garage Journal

16again · Dec 13, 2019

Something I noticed with my recent 3 Koken ratchet purchases. While I really like the feel of the product in my hands, compared to my snap on, they don't hold the sockets as well. I noticed when I put an extension on that if I move a certain way, it will come off the ratchet. :headscrat

Tried all 3 Koken ratchets and they are basically the same. Tried the snap on ratchets and you need to pull them off. Certainly not the end of the world, I really like the feel of the Koken product. However, if I'm working in a tight spot, won't even think of using the Koken.

pizza · Dec 13, 2019

i just got a koken attack driver (impact driver). this thing exudes quality.
see the pic showing the striking face.

if a higher end impact driver exists, i'd like to see it.

the set i got is AG112A. it comes with the 4112G (rubber grip, 1/2" drive), a 1/2" square x 5/16" hex bit adapter, and four 5/16" bits. 3/8" and 3/4" drive versions exist too. they're probably all interchangeable for most common applications because you can just use adapters if needed. with that in mind, i went with the beefier 1/2" instead of 3/8", and 3/4" doesn't come in a rubber grip version.

the direction is reversible. i assume this is for left-hand-threaded fasteners.

the metal case it comes in is pretty nice. it has a hinged latch. i think other kits come in a slightly inferior case with a friction latch. just something to be aware of.

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i also got some nice kitchen scissors / shears. the Toribe KS-203. both are from amazon.co.jp

the toribe handle looks terrible, but i read reviews that said it's actually comfortable. imo, it's not exactly a breakthrough in ergonomics, but they're not uncomfortable at all to use. they feel fine.

they feel very clean and precise. a good snip action. they come apart at the joint without tools, and the joint has a wave washer in it to keep it all nicely tensioned up without adjustment.

i really wanted to try out the shozaburo kitchen shears, but they were either not on amazon.co.jp for a fair price or amazon.co.jp wouldn't ship to the US or something (some 3rd party seller bs). anyone here have them?

http://www.shozaburo.co.jp/1ln/814q.htm

65k10 · Dec 13, 2019

16again said:
Something I noticed with my recent 3 Koken ratchet purchases. While I really like the feel of the product in my hands, compared to my snap on, they don't hold the sockets as well. I noticed when I put an extension on that if I move a certain way, it will come off the ratchet. Tried all 3 Koken ratchets and they are basically the same. Tried the snap on ratchets and you need to pull them off. Certainly not the end of the world, I really like the feel of the Koken product. However, if I'm working in a tight spot, won't even think of using the Koken.

What brand of sockets and extensions did you try on the ratchets? I noticed something similar. If I pair Koken ratchets with Koken sockets or extensions, the retention is a bit lighter than other brands, but seems fine. However, my Koken ratchets do not play so well with my Proto sockets and extensions. The retention can be noticeably weaker. I think it has something to do with Proto putting the detent holes deeper after seeing how the QR button on a Koken ratchet wouldn't always pop all the way back up when put on some Proto sockets. It seems to vary with some brands working better with Koken ratchets than others.

I have mixed feelings on it. I wish the socket retention was a bit better on Koken tools. The flip side is I have some Snap-On ratchets that hold the socket a bit too tight and pulling the sockets off can be difficult.

tomjacob · Dec 14, 2019

Made in Japan <3

mr.lemons · Dec 14, 2019

Just watched 1foxracing's youtube vid on the Vessel roto ratchets. Thanks for the great vid. :thumbup:

Noticed that the ratchets look to be quick release and serviceable which I don't think I've seen before. Does anyone know if they can be taken apart for lubing/adjusting?

16again · Dec 14, 2019

65k10 said:
What brand of sockets and extensions did you try on the ratchets? I noticed something similar. If I pair Koken ratchets with Koken sockets or extensions, the retention is a bit lighter than other brands, but seems fine. However, my Koken ratchets do not play so well with my Proto sockets and extensions. The retention can be noticeably weaker. I think it has something to do with Proto putting the detent holes deeper after seeing how the QR button on a Koken ratchet wouldn't always pop all the way back up when put on some Proto sockets. It seems to vary with some brands working better with Koken ratchets than others.

I have mixed feelings on it. I wish the socket retention was a bit better on Koken tools. The flip side is I have some Snap-On ratchets that hold the socket a bit too tight and pulling the sockets off can be difficult.

98% of my sockets are Snap on. Like you said, the retention could be better.
That said, the Koken ratchets hold their Koken sockets perfectly. :headscrat

Doesn't hold their extensions as well as my snap on does.

My feelings are mixed as well. Really want to use and enjoy them, they just seem to lack a little bit.

1foxracing · Dec 14, 2019

mr.lemons said:
Just watched 1foxracing's youtube vid on the Vessel roto ratchets. Thanks for the great vid. Noticed that the ratchets look to be quick release and serviceable which I don't think I've seen before. Does anyone know if they can be taken apart for lubing/adjusting?

Torx bolt can be removed for dis-assembly

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All of these with the exception of the Pittsburgh Pro can be dis-assembled as well.

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mr.lemons · Dec 15, 2019

^ Great. Think I'm looking for a new roto ratchet. Are any ratchets in the bottom pic quick release and serviceable?

Qualitytools · Dec 15, 2019

mr.lemons said:
^ Great. Think I'm looking for a new roto ratchet. Are any ratchets in the bottom pic quick release and serviceable?

You beat me to it, I was going to ask the same question about the quick release

1foxracing · Dec 15, 2019

mr.lemons said:
^ Great. Think I'm looking for a new roto ratchet. Are any ratchets in the bottom pic quick release and serviceable?

The Carlyle, MasterForce & Vessel models are but I'm not sure if they are available in the UK?

mr.lemons · Dec 15, 2019

1foxracing said:
The Carlyle, MasterForce & Vessel models are but I'm not sure if they are available in the UK?

Thank you. :thumbup:

Davefr · Dec 19, 2019

Based on some of the GJ feedback, I ordered 6 Vessel Woody screwdrivers direct from Amazon Japan. I mainly wanted the phillips but decided to add a couple slotted since they were so cheap.

They just arrived. All I can say is WOW!! They look very well made and I love the wood/resin handles.

Total price was $41 shipped. ($25 - screwdrivers and $16 - freight) They shipped direct from Yokohama on 12/17 and they're in my hands on 12/19. Two days!!!

measuredtwice · Dec 19, 2019

Davefr said:
Based on some of the GJ feedback, I ordered 6 Vessel Woody screwdrivers direct from Amazon Japan. I mainly wanted the phillips but decided to add a couple slotted since they were so cheap.

They just arrived. All I can say is WOW!! They look very well made and I love the wood/resin handles.

Total price was $41 shipped. ($25 - screwdrivers and $16 - freight) They shipped direct from Yokohama on 12/17 and they're in my hands on 12/19. Two days!!!

Nice! I need to add some of those to my next order.

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